Signs Of The Coming Islamic Reformation

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1. Multiculturalism is a flawed doctrine. As is its corollary, moral equivalency.
The roots can be traced to the anthropologist Franz Boas, who, in an effort to study exotic cultures without prejudice, found it useful to take the position that no culture is superior to any other. Thus was born the idea of cultural relativity.

a. The idea spread like wildfire through the universities, catapulted by the radical impetus of the sixties. ready and willing to reject "the universality of Western norms and principles."

2. It survives and thrives among the intellectuals, the political elites, i.e., the Leftists. They use it as a very successful wedge between groups, in order to accrue power, votes.
As a result, 'Western culture' largely resembles the result of allowing a drop of mercury to fall upon a table.





Of course, there is a unitary culture that despises Western culture in all of its iterations...
Islam is actively opposed to Western culture(s)....and the resultant isolation has hurt Islam, more than it has purified, or enhanced same.

3. Yet, there is an interesting similarity between Islam, and that which it hates: the former tries to maintain power by keeping its subject ignorant....while in the West, Liberalism keeps its voters poor. Both endeavors for the same reason.

a. Consider this fact as central to the discussion:
"...in the 1,000 years since the reign of the Caliph Mamoun, say the authors, the Arabs have translated as many books as Spain translates in one year."
Arab development Self-doomed to failure The Economist






Some in Islam actually acknowledge the fact, and call for a reformation; they recognize and praise aspects of dynamism in Western civilization.

4. The following is from an interview with Ibrahim Al-Buleihi. "Ibrahim Albleahy, a Saudi liberal writer, thinker and philosopher who is currently a member of the SaudiShura Council...The central concern of his writings is the relative decline ofArab and Islamic civilization, compared to the other civilizations of the world. "
Ibrahim Al-Buleihi - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia





5. "It is important that we make a distinction between Islam as a set of teachings, values, principles and legislations, and between the reality of Muslims in the past and in the present....[but] the affairs of this world (dunyā) have not been fully inculcated.

6. ... the fact that politics and political governance constitute some of our most pressing and crucial concerns, they have not attracted the attention of our scholars. ...[and has] left us devoid of a tradition of political thought.

a. This is in sharp contradistinction to Greek civilisation of the 5th century BC which, in the field of political thought and its connection with ethics and worldly concerns, achieved things which still excite admiration and wonder.

b. ...[those] scholars of Islam did concern themselves with rulings on human interactions and with all manner of mundane matters, but only for the purpose of making these conform to the Sharīʻa.





7. It is important to understand the qualitative difference between, on the one hand, a concern to regulate worldly affairs according to the religious law and, on the other hand, ...ideas for developing the means to make a living and open up minds to the huge, latent potential in things.

Our scholars were preoccupied with making reality conform to the teachings of Islam and were not interested in growth or the development of reality.

a. Our heritage is in fact replete with expressions of disdain for anyone occupying oneself with worldly affairs or taking an interest in them. For example, in his treatise Degrees of Knowledge, Ibn Hazm holds that anyone who occupies himself in anything other than the sciences of the Sharīʻa has simply become foolish, short-sighted and a menace only to himself.... traditional writings are stuffed with similar sentiments.



b. ...[even those] possessed of a brilliant mind, ridiculed those who occupied themselves with philosophy and experimental sciences such as chemistry – which he considered to be little more than a form of sorcery."
MercatorNet The castle of backwardness
 
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chic----nice article------but I take exception to your thread title------IMHO----there are no signs of
Islamic reformation (if by 'Islamic reformation'---you meant a casting off of the stifling influences of the shariah system---or, at least---some sort of modification thereof which can make it adaptable to the possibility of an advancing culture.. The current program which I date back more than three years when the "ARAB SPRING" began---
started out counter productive and has progressed to WORSE
 
chic----nice article------but I take exception to your thread title------IMHO----there are no signs of
Islamic reformation (if by 'Islamic reformation'---you meant a casting off of the stifling influences of the shariah system---or, at least---some sort of modification thereof which can make it adaptable to the possibility of an advancing culture.. The current program which I date back more than three years when the "ARAB SPRING" began---
started out counter productive and has progressed to WORSE



While one swallow doesn't make a spring.....

An Islamic scholar speaking out about a weakness in the culture is still one swallow.....

More:
"... Our heritage is in fact replete with expressions of disdain for anyone occupying oneself with worldly affairs or taking an interest in them..."

We have to welcome this moderation. Think of all the maniacs we've seen with signs 'death to those who disparage Islam.'





8. "Scholars and philosophers ..., brilliant individuals who, whilst living in an Arab environment, actually lay outside the prevailing Arab cultural norms intellectually. For studying Greek thought they were disdainfully referred to as “weeds”, and their fields of interest thereby dismissed. That is, the prevailing culture considered them to be harmful plants sprouting up amid more useful crops. I have read dozens of their works and found them all to be students of Greek thought.

.... they did not come together to constitute a trend in society. Each of these individuals was a product of his own self and not the product of a school of thought that perpetuated earlier voices or continued on after them. Indeed, they sounded a dissident note from the prevailing culture.

This is something that is abundantly clear and even those who vaunt the superiority of the Arabs over the West confirm this fact.



9. ..... some Arab original thinkers may be commended for having participated in awakening the European mind towards the close of the Middle Ages .... these and other geniuses like them were looked down upon by the Arab environment, while the European environment celebrated them. For even during its decadent eras Europe understood, and still does understand, the value of the creative thinking demonstrated by these individuals, whereas we – even in our flourishing eras – dismissed their ideas and prohibited their circulation. In fact we strangled originality, persecuted original thinkers and burned their books!" MercatorNet The castle of backwardness
 
yes intelligent arab muslims DO EXIST----but they are not running things. A few years ago---
by a ---"circumstance"----I ran into two elderly men------who----by a "circumstance' ---sat down
on the bench upon which I sat----one on either side of me. -----they commenced to carry on a lively conversation in Arabic. The circumstance was "jury selection"---during which we all had to
state name of country of birth-----so I knew that
one was Syrian and the other Iraqi. ----and we stated name----so they would definitely know --I IS A JOOO. -----suddenly both switched their
language to Hebrew-----so then I knew THEM IS JOOOS-----which sorta explained why they ended up on my bench---sorta. ----then they addressed me----in English----very frustrated they said-----"IRAQIS CAN'T VOTE-----THEY ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE JERK" ---ie--so much for the bush doctrine----DEMOCRACY FOR THE WORLD!!!!
 
yes intelligent arab muslims DO EXIST----but they are not running things. A few years ago---
by a ---"circumstance"----I ran into two elderly men------who----by a "circumstance' ---sat down
on the bench upon which I sat----one on either side of me. -----they commenced to carry on a lively conversation in Arabic. The circumstance was "jury selection"---during which we all had to
state name of country of birth-----so I knew that
one was Syrian and the other Iraqi. ----and we stated name----so they would definitely know --I IS A JOOO. -----suddenly both switched their
language to Hebrew-----so then I knew THEM IS JOOOS-----which sorta explained why they ended up on my bench---sorta. ----then they addressed me----in English----very frustrated they said-----"IRAQIS CAN'T VOTE-----THEY ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE JERK" ---ie--so much for the bush doctrine----DEMOCRACY FOR THE WORLD!!!!

Adderall. Get some. :thup:
 
yes intelligent arab muslims DO EXIST----but they are not running things. A few years ago---
by a ---"circumstance"----I ran into two elderly men------who----by a "circumstance' ---sat down
on the bench upon which I sat----one on either side of me. -----they commenced to carry on a lively conversation in Arabic. The circumstance was "jury selection"---during which we all had to
state name of country of birth-----so I knew that
one was Syrian and the other Iraqi. ----and we stated name----so they would definitely know --I IS A JOOO. -----suddenly both switched their
language to Hebrew-----so then I knew THEM IS JOOOS-----which sorta explained why they ended up on my bench---sorta. ----then they addressed me----in English----very frustrated they said-----"IRAQIS CAN'T VOTE-----THEY ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE JERK" ---ie--so much for the bush doctrine----DEMOCRACY FOR THE WORLD!!!!

Adderall. Get some. :thup:

If you have any questions about ADD----just ask me. There is nothing about my post that suggests anything even remotely connected with
attention deficit disorder. Adderall is not an
OTC medication and I do not buy stuff on the street corner
 
yes intelligent arab muslims DO EXIST----but they are not running things. A few years ago---
by a ---"circumstance"----I ran into two elderly men------who----by a "circumstance' ---sat down
on the bench upon which I sat----one on either side of me. -----they commenced to carry on a lively conversation in Arabic. The circumstance was "jury selection"---during which we all had to
state name of country of birth-----so I knew that
one was Syrian and the other Iraqi. ----and we stated name----so they would definitely know --I IS A JOOO. -----suddenly both switched their
language to Hebrew-----so then I knew THEM IS JOOOS-----which sorta explained why they ended up on my bench---sorta. ----then they addressed me----in English----very frustrated they said-----"IRAQIS CAN'T VOTE-----THEY ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE JERK" ---ie--so much for the bush doctrine----DEMOCRACY FOR THE WORLD!!!!

the illuminsharti said:
Adderall. Get some. :thup:

irosie91 said:
If you have any questions about ADD----just ask me. There is nothing about my post that suggests anything even remotely connected with
attention deficit disorder.

I take it you don't read your posts after you've finished typing them.

Just sayin'. :thup:

irosie91 said:
Adderall is not an OTC medication and I do not buy stuff on the street corner

Nobody said it was.
 
yes intelligent arab muslims DO EXIST----but they are not running things. A few years ago---
by a ---"circumstance"----I ran into two elderly men------who----by a "circumstance' ---sat down
on the bench upon which I sat----one on either side of me. -----they commenced to carry on a lively conversation in Arabic. The circumstance was "jury selection"---during which we all had to
state name of country of birth-----so I knew that
one was Syrian and the other Iraqi. ----and we stated name----so they would definitely know --I IS A JOOO. -----suddenly both switched their
language to Hebrew-----so then I knew THEM IS JOOOS-----which sorta explained why they ended up on my bench---sorta. ----then they addressed me----in English----very frustrated they said-----"IRAQIS CAN'T VOTE-----THEY ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE JERK" ---ie--so much for the bush doctrine----DEMOCRACY FOR THE WORLD!!!!

the illuminsharti said:
Adderall. Get some. :thup:

irosie91 said:
If you have any questions about ADD----just ask me. There is nothing about my post that suggests anything even remotely connected with
attention deficit disorder.

I take it you don't read your posts after you've finished typing them.

Just sayin'. :thup:

irosie91 said:
Adderall is not an OTC medication and I do not buy stuff on the street corner

Nobody said it was.

right----so since no doctor would prescribe it for me------I cannot take it. I harbor no signs of ADD------. If you wish to comment on my posts----try to come up with something sensible
 
I'm just going to peek at the end to this thread...

...spolier alert: The internet gets us all.
 
I'm just going to peek at the end to this thread...

...spolier alert: The internet gets us all.


I'll get to it....

But we can't overlook the fact that this exposition by a Muslim scholar is far from what we've come to expect......

10." So when we boast of our superiority over Western civilisation we are ignoring the fact that this superiority amounts to no more than Europe benefiting from individuals such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn al-Haytham and al-Rāzī, who were scholars who had studied Greek thought and were therefore not the product of Arab culture.

At the same time we ignore the fact that in our culture those individuals were rejected by us and subjected to continuing condemnation and aversion – not just in the past but even today, for we still express our condemnation of them and ban their thoughts. If we burned their books and still prohibit the reading of them, how can we then boast of that which was once, and still is, rejected by us?" MercatorNet The castle of backwardness




Is this guy da' bomb- or what!!!

Wait...maybe I shouldn't refer to a 'bomb'......
 
I'm just going to peek at the end to this thread...

...spolier alert: The internet gets us all.


I'll get to it....

But we can't overlook the fact that this exposition by a Muslim scholar is far from what we've come to expect......

10." So when we boast of our superiority over Western civilisation we are ignoring the fact that this superiority amounts to no more than Europe benefiting from individuals such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn al-Haytham and al-Rāzī, who were scholars who had studied Greek thought and were therefore not the product of Arab culture.

At the same time we ignore the fact that in our culture those individuals were rejected by us and subjected to continuing condemnation and aversion – not just in the past but even today, for we still express our condemnation of them and ban their thoughts. If we burned their books and still prohibit the reading of them, how can we then boast of that which was once, and still is, rejected by us?" MercatorNet The castle of backwardness




Is this guy da' bomb- or what!!!

Wait...maybe I shouldn't refer to a 'bomb'......


aww chic-----some arabs IS SMART-----they were even smart a long time ago----when they were in contact with Christians, and jews and Zoroastrians who knew greek----and liked the greek philosophers------and were willing to teach arabs.-------smart arabs learned and even produced stuff of THEIR own.......see?---------all good
 
And the scholar goes on.....

11. "One fearful point that itself would justify an objective, profound study and a precise analysis, is the fact that every attempt – past and present – to augment the role of reason and science in our cultural, social and political life has led to a contrary result.

Hatred of reason has only become more prevalent and the antipathy has accumulated over generations on account of the fact that rational orientations were never accepted and their associated activities were halted. Their exponents vanished from the scene and their works became scattered, so that generations no longer had any knowledge of them other than what they heard from their opponents and detractors.


....opponents of rationality nevertheless continue to issue warnings against reason and demonise those who display rationalist tendencies. As a result of the centuries-long indiscriminate war waged against rationalist thinkers they almost vanished for good.... works opposing or outright warring against rationality continued to enjoy wide circulation – to the point of becoming the most important ingredient of our culture and education..... generations have been programmed to be hostile to reason and to fear rational thought.


.... subjected to such ferocious attacks that generations have been led to think of them as a form of pure evil; they have focused their vision entirely upon their negative side, passing over entirely their positive aspects. It is for this reason that the Muslim nation has absorbed the ‘necessity’ to isolate itself, nurtured delusions as to its own perfection, and sanctified self-sufficiency."
MercatorNet The castle of backwardness -




"....the Muslim nation has absorbed the ‘necessity’ to isolate itself, nurtured delusions as to its own perfection, and sanctified self-sufficiency."

Smells like 'reformation' to me.
 
The interview concludes as follows.....


12. "The greatest catastrophe to befall Islam and the Muslims is the catastrophe that has conscripted the Nation against reason from our earliest history. The consummate refusal of rationality and the war against enlightenment has locked all doors and windows against any attempts at illumination.

The problem is not .... merely the expulsion of other prominent proponents of reason; Arab Islamic history has built up an entire culture at odds with rationality. Our culture has ended up stamped with this mustering against reason – not only lining up against specialists but inducing all students to hate reason, abhor thinking and imagine that this is what the Islamic religion demands of them.


Generations have now been raised abhorring reason, wary of thinking, fearful of rationality, harbouring hatred against rational thinkers and warring against them.

It is important, therefore, that we do not content ourselves with saying that Arab culture has merely rejected those of its thinkers .... attempts at rationality have borne contrary results to those intended. Instead of disdaining the capacity of reason to serve the faith and develop ourdunyā, opponents of reason have ganged up together to ridicule it. Libraries are stuffed with works dedicated to this mockery, works which now constitute the authorities consulted by generations for knowledge and intellectual orientation.

We have now become fully immersed in anti-reason hostility – and this strange phenomenon could do with some deep, comprehensive, objective study, to evaluate the contrary effects that rationalist movements have spawned."
MercatorNet The castle of backwardness




There are, I am sure, Muslims with an open ear to this, it points the way toward a journey from the seventh century into the twenty-first.
 
As long as we remain the world's purveyor of pornography and degeneracy, radical Islam will continue to attract adherents to its putative moral high ground.
 
From the outset, this has been a multi-cultural nation. We were settled by Dutch, French, Swedes, and Spanish, just to name a few. We already had the Native American's here from where we got many of our governmental traditions. We brought in major numbers of Africans, although there had been people of African descent here from the git-go.

Every culture that has been a world leader, has been cosmopolotian in nature.
 
1. Multiculturalism is a flawed doctrine. As is its corollary, moral equivalency.
The roots can be traced to the anthropologist Franz Boas, who, in an effort to study exotic cultures without prejudice, found it useful to take the position that no culture is superior to any other. Thus was born the idea of cultural relativity.

a. The idea spread like wildfire through the universities, catapulted by the radical impetus of the sixties. ready and willing to reject "the universality of Western norms and principles."

2. It survives and thrives among the intellectuals, the political elites, i.e., the Leftists. They use it as a very successful wedge between groups, in order to accrue power, votes.
As a result, 'Western culture' largely resembles the result of allowing a drop of mercury to fall upon a table.





Of course, there is a unitary culture that despises Western culture in all of its iterations...
Islam is actively opposed to Western culture(s)....and the resultant isolation has hurt Islam, more than it has purified, or enhanced same.

3. Yet, there is an interesting similarity between Islam, and that which it hates: the former tries to maintain power by keeping its subject ignorant....while in the West, Liberalism keeps its voters poor. Both endeavors for the same reason.

a. Consider this fact as central to the discussion:
"...in the 1,000 years since the reign of the Caliph Mamoun, say the authors, the Arabs have translated as many books as Spain translates in one year."
Arab development Self-doomed to failure The Economist






Some in Islam actually acknowledge the fact, and call for a reformation; they recognize and praise aspects of dynamism in Western civilization.

4. The following is from an interview with Ibrahim Al-Buleihi. "Ibrahim Albleahy, a Saudi liberal writer, thinker and philosopher who is currently a member of the SaudiShura Council...The central concern of his writings is the relative decline ofArab and Islamic civilization, compared to the other civilizations of the world. "
Ibrahim Al-Buleihi - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia





5. "It is important that we make a distinction between Islam as a set of teachings, values, principles and legislations, and between the reality of Muslims in the past and in the present....[but] the affairs of this world (dunyā) have not been fully inculcated.

6. ... the fact that politics and political governance constitute some of our most pressing and crucial concerns, they have not attracted the attention of our scholars. ...[and has] left us devoid of a tradition of political thought.

a. This is in sharp contradistinction to Greek civilisation of the 5th century BC which, in the field of political thought and its connection with ethics and worldly concerns, achieved things which still excite admiration and wonder.

b. ...[those] scholars of Islam did concern themselves with rulings on human interactions and with all manner of mundane matters, but only for the purpose of making these conform to the Sharīʻa.





7. It is important to understand the qualitative difference between, on the one hand, a concern to regulate worldly affairs according to the religious law and, on the other hand, ...ideas for developing the means to make a living and open up minds to the huge, latent potential in things.

Our scholars were preoccupied with making reality conform to the teachings of Islam and were not interested in growth or the development of reality.

a. Our heritage is in fact replete with expressions of disdain for anyone occupying oneself with worldly affairs or taking an interest in them. For example, in his treatise Degrees of Knowledge, Ibn Hazm holds that anyone who occupies himself in anything other than the sciences of the Sharīʻa has simply become foolish, short-sighted and a menace only to himself.... traditional writings are stuffed with similar sentiments.



b. ...[even those] possessed of a brilliant mind, ridiculed those who occupied themselves with philosophy and experimental sciences such as chemistry – which he considered to be little more than a form of sorcery."
MercatorNet The castle of backwardness




"Saudi Arabia Takes a Step Forward, as Iran Moves Backwards

by Tarek Fatah
The Toronto Sun


When the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, challenged the fundamental precepts of Islamic Sharia in an interview on April 28, the tremors were so deep, they left most Muslims and their clerics in a state of silent shock.

MBS, as the crown prince is known, had questioned the very validity of 'Hadith' literature – sayings attributed to Prophet Muhammad – that provide much of what is today considered Islamic Law in places as far apart as Aceh in Indonesia to University campuses in California in the West.

As an example, the hijab suddenly lost its religious justification and much of the Islamic laws that created the Taliban lost their validation.

Many of us who had for decades fought the Saudization of Islam were taken aback by MBS's statements. The man who is turning his country slightly away from funding overseas jihads and civil wars had quietly heralded women's rights and in an unprecedented move included the Hindu texts of Mahabharat and Ramayana into the school syllabus."
 
How, exactly, does the OP'er define "multiculturalism?" What is its opposite?
I'd suggest the opposite is monoculturalism and since Islam was "designed" to be a religion fitted to Arab Culture, Islam would by inference be a monoculture.

I'm a little more curious on definitions for "reformation".

Literally it would sound like a return to basics, fundamentalism. But in Western vernacular it could mean something more along the lines restructure or evolution, transformation into something slightly altered and hopefully improved.
 

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