Should've the f-22 production ended? Can we do with the f-35?

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    What do you think?
     
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    Well, we have been paying for the Chengdu J-20 jet fighter and the Dong Feng 21 missile, so I guess production is continuing... in China.
     
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    We have about 180 F-22s to replace 800 older 4th gen fighters. that is obviously not enough to do the job.
     
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    What job?
     
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    Sophisticated air defenses are a growing threat to American fighters. Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, among others, are developing and fielding integrated air-defense systems, including interlinked radar sites and advanced surface-to-air missiles such as the S-400. The lower operational ceiling of the F-35 (around 40,000 feet) and its subsonic cruising speed means it will be at much higher risk in attempting to penetrate such heavily defended airspace.

    The F-22 was designed precisely to fight and survive in such environments—as attested by its 60,000-foot operational ceiling and supercruise (cruising at plus-mach speeds without afterburners) ability.

    The JSF F-35 program has run into numerous delays and cost increases, with the unit price of each plane nearing $100 million. In early January, Mr. Gates put the F-35B program on hold for two years, as its vertical take-off-and-landing capabilities ran into significant development problems.

    Michael Auslin: The Case for Reviving the F-22 Fighter - WSJ.com
     
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    The F-22 is an air superiority fighter. If you want to know more I suggest you do basic research on the roles of the various planes we have in our arsenal. Not only am I not an expert, I am not even partially inclined to make your life easy.
     
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    He makes some good points for reviving the F-22, but he errs in saying we should cut the F-35 to pay for it. They are separate fighters, and most of the problems in F-35 development come from the application of VSTOL technology to an airframe not specifically designed for it. Those are known problems, and can be overcome, and the production costs should actually go down if we keep up the initial plans to phase the F-35 in across the board. I am actually pretty impressed with the f-35, and expected to see many more problems than actually came up.
     
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    A hundred million bucks a plane and they will probably be chasing Toyota pickup trucks. The age of the manned fighter is almost over. Too expensive and the limiting factor on performance is the pilot.
     
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    Exactly. There's nothing that comes close. There's nothing that comes close to the Tomcats either.
     
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    Sorry. but I cannot envision ever having such a war again. If you are engaging Russian or Chinese Air defenses, in country, you can be assured that ICBMs are enroute to the US.

    No one will hold back the nuclear trigger that long.
     

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