shouldnt health care be free to all of us

[Big D]

Originally posted by KLSuddeth
fuck, I dont know what Im saying.

(on a different note - I did it! lol - got my nose pierced tonite teehee!)

Spoken like a true genius.

 

[KLSuddeth]

dicklicker, I know youre hot for me, but damn dude....quit fucking following me around. its pathetic.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Big D
Spoken like a true genius.

Oh great. Big d's here to pick on the ladies again.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by KLSuddeth
dicklicker, I know youre hot for me, but damn dude....quit fucking following me around. its pathetic.

I love posts that start with "dicklicker".

 

[KLSuddeth]

eh, Im over wasting my anger on him - it gets him off too much I think.

He is a source to be pitied and laughed at - which (when I remember to) I do.

 

[KLSuddeth]

I love posts that start with "dicklicker".

HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!:rotflmao:

 

[AtlantaWalter]

Originally posted by alan1234567890
im looking for healthcare like what is alread in place in hawii. everybody is insuered yes things cost more in hawii but this works and its not communism. health care should be a right

Does the educational system in Hawaii teach English grammar?
(Off subject I realize but I couldn't help myself)

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by Big D
In Canada if someone is not a Canadian citizen and needs emergency health care (life or death) a Canadian hospital will turn them away?

No they will be treated, but they will be given a bill.

 

[Big D]

In Canada, where health care is provided by the government at the expense of taxpayers, the waiting period between visiting a general practitioner and receiving treatment was four months in 2001, according to the Fraser Institute. Offering free health care for the world means that Texas hospitals will be flooded with immigrants seeking expensive procedures and medical care, knowing that once they have been treated, they will not have to pay.

http://www.thebatt.com/news/2003/05/02/Opinion/Heres.To.Your.Health-513771.shtml

 

[Bern80]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Not a bad idea, but I'd worry about the stability of having my health care dollars in a trust fund. In addition, this would most likely not protect the working poor as they could not contribute to a fund in which you prescribe. Ultimately, that is the goal of universal healthcare. Rich are always able to afford healthcare, it is the poor that cannot.

I'd suggest a two-tier system where the poor can have basic healthcare, but of a lesser quality, while the rich can pay for their higher quality care.

So a country decided that free health care is a right as yours has. Does that make the people right. The only thing that i can think of that would drive a people to vote for this is fear. As with any social well being program it is the fear of no safety net if you fall on hard times.

I would also suggest that the right to bearm arms and the right to free health care are slightly different. because the right to bear arms does not have an adverse effect on those that choose not to have guns. Free health care does. It essentially says That you will pay taxes for your health care and these other people who can't/won't pay for their health care. The people that can't probably aren't paying taxes or very little.

To me most issues like this boil down to this: you are taking my property(money) which I have earned and givin it to someone who did not earn it from me. I won't go so far as to call it stealing, but I hope you see where I'm comming from.

 

[DKSuddeth]

If the majority of canadians wish for this system, would that not make it right for canada?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
If the majority of canadians wish for this system, would that not make it right for canada?

Mob rule is not always morally correct. That's why we have explicit protections on individual rights in our contitution. That's why democracy is undesirable without a constitution guaranteeing a minimum of rights to the individual. That's why liberals attack the bill of rights. Individual oriented justice is anathema to the leftis,t Rawlsian shit the libs adhere to.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by Bern80
So a country decided that free health care is a right as yours has. Does that make the people right. The only thing that i can think of that would drive a people to vote for this is fear. As with any social well being program it is the fear of no safety net if you fall on hard times.

I would also suggest that the right to bearm arms and the right to free health care are slightly different. because the right to bear arms does not have an adverse effect on those that choose not to have guns. Free health care does. It essentially says That you will pay taxes for your health care and these other people who can't/won't pay for their health care. The people that can't probably aren't paying taxes or very little.

To me most issues like this boil down to this: you are taking my property(money) which I have earned and givin it to someone who did not earn it from me. I won't go so far as to call it stealing, but I hope you see where I'm comming from.

I respectfully disagree, choosing health care as a right and choosing the right to bear arms is identical. It is a social contract that was was popularly made quite some time ago, as such it cannot be stealing. If someone does not agree with the contract, they are free to leave.

Consider this example. Say a person in your country does not agree with the Iraq war. They still must still fund the military who's actions they do not support with their taxes. However, that does not mean that they can or should revoke their taxes. As a citizen of your country they bought into the premise, or contract, that the ruling government would provide security as they deemed fit. In this case, the Iraq war. If they do not like it, they can either vote for a new government or leave.

We can popularly overturn universal healthcare at any junction we would like, but until then it is a social right. In fact the Health Canada Act has the same legislative stature as the Canadian Bill of Rights. I'm not suggesting by any means the US adopt our system as I don't think it would work in your country. Universal healthcare is a socialistic institution for sure, but it is certainly not shoved down our throats. I could throw some statistics in if you wish, but Canadians are generally satisfied with their system.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
I respectfully disagree, choosing health care as a right and choosing the right to bear arms is identical.

HAHA. No they're not. In your system, Government pays for healthcare, by stealing from others. Our government does not buy people guns. It simply ALLOWS one to own them. It doesn't require a peter/paul robbing scenario.

It is a social contract that was was popularly made quite some time ago, as such it cannot be stealing. If someone does not agree with the contract, they are free to leave.

Consider this example. Say a person in your country does not agree with the Iraq war. They still must still fund the military who's actions they do not support with their taxes. However, that does not mean that they can or should revoke their taxes. As a citizen of your country they bought into the premise, or contract, that the ruling government would provide security as they deemed fit. In this case, the Iraq war. If they do not like it, they can either vote for a new government or leave.

We can popularly overturn universal healthcare at any junction we would like, but until then it is a social right. In fact the Health Canada Act has the same legislative stature as the Canadian Bill of Rights. I'm not suggesting by any means the US adopt our system as I don't think it would work in your country. Universal healthcare is a socialistic institution for sure, but it is certainly not shoved down our throats. I could throw some statistics in if you wish, but Canadians are generally satisfied with their system.

Mob rule. Not automatically ethical.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
HAHA. No they're not. In your system, Government pays for healthcare, by stealing from others. Our government does not buy people guns. It simply ALLOWS one to own them. It doesn't require a peter/paul robbing scenario.

Mob rule. Not automatically ethical.

Like I said before, if they don't like the system they can leave. The system has been in place for quite some time now. You can great the exodus of dissidents at the newly built Canadian Healthcare tent city in buffalo. Might even offer them a gun too! Good potential business opportunity.

Mob rule is not ethical. However, it is the premise of democracy. Until a better system is found, I'll just be happy to consider myself a part of the mob.

 

[5stringJeff]

Man... I tell you what Alan, you get me free health care, free welfare, a guaranteed BS job, and free housing, and guess what I'll do to contribute to society?

NOTHING!

That's the whole point. Under a socialized economy, no one has any incentive to contribute, and the whole economy sinks under its own weight.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
Man... I tell you what Alan, you get me free health care, free welfare, a guaranteed BS job, and free housing, and guess what I'll do to contribute to society?

NOTHING!

That's the whole point. Under a socialized economy, no one has any incentive to contribute, and the whole economy sinks under its own weight.

but Jeff, what about helping your fellow man? namely me?

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
but Jeff, what about helping your fellow man? namely me?

Are you kidding? You're paying rent for my free house!

 

[alan1234567890]

what about the handicapped or the 4 million people without insurance? the working poor. what about the working man dont we count?

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by alan1234567890
what about the handicapped or the 4 million people without insurance? the working poor. what about the working man dont we count?

Who do you think should pay for their insurance? The rest of us? Explain to me why I should be responsible for someone elses insurance.