Should welfare recipients be able to vote?

[kaz]

well seeing as we are living off loans from china and wall street is living on bail outs from those loans I suppose we should all lose the right to vote

I'm sick of the stupid Wall Street thing. Government caused the crisis which I opposed and bailed them out which I opposed and I'm supposed to apologize for that somehow, I don't think so.

On China, I also oppose deficit spending, and I'm proposing a solution to that, people who spend other people's money. That supports my point, it doesn't counter it.

I'm sick of the stupid "government caused the wall street thing". Government didn't cause the Casino of reselling mortgages and profiting off of each time it got sold to the point of collapse. It's obvious that you have no clue about this stuff. You just want to say Fannie and Freddy.... and as long as it absolves corporate greed... it's a good enough excuse for you.

Without government interference in free markets, some institutions will succeed and others fail. When Clinton started forcing banks to make sub-prime loans, it was the first domino in causing widespread industry failure which lead to the Great Recession, which we are still deeply in. However, regardless of whether or not government caused it, I opposed the bailouts so your argument is still irrelevant. I oppose all government interference in free markets, hence they are free. Which means individual players will succeed or fail and we live with it. Only government can tilt the playing field and cause them all to fail, and that is warped by leaches voting themselves other people's money.

 

[Toronado3800]

It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:

1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.

2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.

I find you to be amazingly liberal in your approach. But hey, w/o free thought from the most open minded nothing would be made better.

Personally I am against the idea. Gotta have everyone vote for what is for the best of the country as a whole, not just my elite ruling class.

But, long as we are talking, throw in the Bill Dewitts of the world who take government money by the millions in the name of their business ventures.

Then throw in the entire population, working and residential of the Chesterfield Valley. Place used tons of my tax money to build levees for their benefit. Like there wasnt land left up the hill in america. Nooooo, we had to spend my money to make the worthless floodplain sell for more. Someone must have had some political clout to pull that off.

Throw that in and we will have a working proposal. Not that I believe the international business suckerfish elite or the permanently unemoloyed care and being disenfranchised but hey, it sounds threatening.

For sure by the time your ammendment and thousand page subsequent law are in effect you were going to allow those qualified for disability and injured in service to the countey to vote, right?

Dont loose track of my ideas posted above.

 

[kaz]

Gotta have everyone vote for what is for the best of the country as a whole, not just my elite ruling class

Wow, only the "elite ruling class" aren't getting welfare checks? That's ridiculous.

 

[kaz]

Should welfare recipients be able to vote?

What you propose is illegal and un-Constitutional, a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the case law in support of those acts, and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as it discriminates against a suspect class of persons

Actually there is no right to vote in the Constitution and nothing I'm proposing is based on race, gender or any other ethnicity. You went to a government school, didn't you?

 

[kaz]

You never answered my question.

A soldier is disabled during his service to our country and now receives benefits. Can he vote?

Yes, military isn't welfare

But disability is.... it's SSI, a part of Social Security.

The question was if he was disabled in service to our country, not just if he's a veteran and he's disabled. That's not welfare, he actually earned it.

 

[kaz]

It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:

1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.

2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.

I find you to be amazingly liberal in your approach. But hey, w/o free thought from the most open minded nothing would be made better.

Personally I am against the idea. Gotta have everyone vote for what is for the best of the country as a whole, not just my elite ruling class.

But, long as we are talking, throw in the Bill Dewitts of the world who take government money by the millions in the name of their business ventures.

Then throw in the entire population, working and residential of the Chesterfield Valley. Place used tons of my tax money to build levees for their benefit. Like there wasnt land left up the hill in america. Nooooo, we had to spend my money to make the worthless floodplain sell for more. Someone must have had some political clout to pull that off.

Throw that in and we will have a working proposal. Not that I believe the international business suckerfish elite or the permanently unemoloyed care and being disenfranchised but hey, it sounds threatening.

For sure by the time your ammendment and thousand page subsequent law are in effect you were going to allow those qualified for disability and injured in service to the countey to vote, right?

Dont loose track of my ideas posted above.

Your other ideas were not part of my proposal. I said people who get Federal government welfare checks. If you want to argue people who "benefit" from government, start your own thread to do it, that's not my proposal.

 

[Steelplate]

Should welfare recipients be able to vote?

What you propose is illegal and un-Constitutional, a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the case law in support of those acts, and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as it discriminates against a suspect class of persons

Actually there is no right to vote in the Constitution and nothing I'm proposing is based on race, gender or any other ethnicity. You went to a government school, didn't you?

You know what? I love this country... I love it very much. It is by far the best country in the world. But I will honestly tell you one thing. That Constitution that I swore to defend when I joined the Military?

Because of the Shiite Republicans and their ever changing interpretations of a 200+ year old document... I wish it would be ripped up and start anew. I have never felt like this before in my life. You guys treat it with the same reverence as the Bible, and much like the bible... you accept interpretations that fit your agenda and reject the ones that don't.

 

[kaz]

I'll be sure to tell ,my bed ridden 90 year old granma to get off her azz and get a job.

You do that, but it has nothing to do with me. I'm saying she should have saved for her own retirement. Or better...

...her deadbeat family should help her out of the goodness of their heart instead of relying on government guns forcing strangers to do it....

 

[Steelplate]

I'll be sure to tell ,my bed ridden 90 year old granma to get off her azz and get a job.

You do that, but it has nothing to do with me. I'm saying she should have saved for her own retirement. Or better...

...her deadbeat family should help her out of the goodness of their heart instead of relying on government guns forcing strangers to do it....

I don't even know moonglow.... but....

Fuck you kaz. I hope you rot...

 

[kaz]

What you propose is illegal and un-Constitutional, a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the case law in support of those acts, and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as it discriminates against a suspect class of persons

Actually there is no right to vote in the Constitution and nothing I'm proposing is based on race, gender or any other ethnicity. You went to a government school, didn't you?

You know what? I love this country... I love it very much. It is by far the best country in the world. But I will honestly tell you one thing. That Constitution that I swore to defend when I joined the Military?

Because of the Shiite Republicans and their ever changing interpretations of a 200+ year old document... I wish it would be ripped up and start anew. I have never felt like this before in my life. You guys treat it with the same reverence as the Bible, and much like the bible... you accept interpretations that fit your agenda and reject the ones that don't.

Actually I'm a libertarian. And why do you suppose the founding fathers only allowed landowners to vote?

 

[kaz]

But they don't appear to an outsider as someone very "grateful" for their good fortune, living and being free as they are, in that great nation, the USA!

I am simply dumbfounded.

I love it, we should be "grateful" to have our money confiscated, but the receivers need have no gratitude for receiving it. That's why we're in this mess. I believe in charity, but what government fosters is dependency and people like you tell them to grab every dollar and spit in our eye. There is nothing the founding fathers would have respected about that.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I'll be sure to tell ,my bed ridden 90 year old granma to get off her azz and get a job.

You do that, but it has nothing to do with me. I'm saying she should have saved for her own retirement. Or better...

...her deadbeat family should help her out of the goodness of their heart instead of relying on government guns forcing strangers to do it....

You earned the rep you just got from me with that stupid post.

 

[kaz]

I'll be sure to tell ,my bed ridden 90 year old granma to get off her azz and get a job.

You do that, but it has nothing to do with me. I'm saying she should have saved for her own retirement. Or better...

...her deadbeat family should help her out of the goodness of their heart instead of relying on government guns forcing strangers to do it....

I don't even know moonglow.... but....

Fuck you kaz. I hope you rot...

Thanks! You too...

 

[kaz]

I'll be sure to tell ,my bed ridden 90 year old granma to get off her azz and get a job.

You do that, but it has nothing to do with me. I'm saying she should have saved for her own retirement. Or better...

...her deadbeat family should help her out of the goodness of their heart instead of relying on government guns forcing strangers to do it....

You earned the rep you just got from me with that stupid post.

Please, he's telling me I should pay for his Grandmother instead of him, why is that stupid? I believe government should be the last resort, not the first.

 

[Steelplate]

Yes, military isn't welfare

But disability is.... it's SSI, a part of Social Security.

The question was if he was disabled in service to our country, not just if he's a veteran and he's disabled. That's not welfare, he actually earned it.

It doesn't matter if he was disabled in service to our country... it's still SSI.

Finally... what about a person who was disabled working for a living... hey... I know... let's make it a STATE worker who got hit by some careless motorist while working on a road that you don't want to pay for? He was in the service of his country... or at least his state.

Do they deserve to vote?

 

[MaggieMae]

Some people don't abuse the system to the point that removing their civil liberties is justified.

Actually, MOST people don't.

 

[Steelplate]

Some people don't abuse the system to the point that removing their civil liberties is justified.

Actually, MOST people don't.

Exactly Maggie.

It's the Shiite Republicans that have it stuck in their heads that everyone abuses welfare and unemployment. That people DIDN'T pay into their own Social Security and Medicare funds...

It's always about them and their twisted selfishness.

 

[kaz]

But disability is.... it's SSI, a part of Social Security.

The question was if he was disabled in service to our country, not just if he's a veteran and he's disabled. That's not welfare, he actually earned it.

It doesn't matter if he was disabled in service to our country... it's still SSI.

Finally... what about a person who was disabled working for a living... hey... I know... let's make it a STATE worker who got hit by some careless motorist while working on a road that you don't want to pay for? He was in the service of his country... or at least his state.

Do they deserve to vote?

Their disability should be covered by their agreement with their employer, not by a general State welfare program. Why are they on Social Security instead of Workers Comp or their employers long term disability?

 

[kaz]

Some people don't abuse the system to the point that removing their civil liberties is justified.

Actually, MOST people don't.

If they are getting checks of other people's money through government force, then they are treading on other people's civil liberties.

I am for charity, I believe #1 people should pay for themselves, #2 their family should help them, #3 their community or church should help them, and only last should they turn to government. But when you are allowing politicians controlling government guns to take your living for you, you are plundering them and it's wrong.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Some people don't abuse the system to the point that removing their civil liberties is justified.

Actually, MOST people don't.

That's what I ment. Sorry I worded it wrong. But their are a lot of people who abuse the system.