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You do know that you pay into SS and Medicare, right?
You're walking down the street. A mugger grabs your wallet with $100 dollars in it. Before they run off they grab a $20 out of your wallet and give it back to you and run off with the rest. Now, were you robbed?
Oh.. ok. That's where you are going. Fine. If I am lucky enough to get back some of the money that I paid into SS, I reject the notion that I am on the dole. That's just plain wrong.
But yes, I'd much rather not pay into SS and invest that money myself.
It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:
1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.
2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.
well seeing as we are living off loans from china and wall street is living on bail outs from those loans I suppose we should all lose the right to vote
It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:
1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.
2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.
On this 4th of July, our founding fathers would shudder at your proposal
It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:
1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.
2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.
In hard economical times a lot of former hard working tax payers have had to seek help why should they be hindered from voting for what obama caused in a failed economy?
those with a birth certificate are share holders btw...and those that make laws are their Representatives not their masters
Government is alwayes the last resort. Look at it this way one day you may be out of a job and on hard times would you want your right to vote striped away for no fault of your own?
If we excluded every voter with a conflict of interest, I'm not sure anyone could vote.
Should those who work for the government be excluded? They surely have a conflict of interest.
Teachers, soldiers, policemen?
How about union members?
Or a person employed in a segment of the economy regulated by government?
Like coal miners, doctors, loggers, bankers.
Even in the private sector...my company transports a ton of military freight...wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?
Now how about all of their families?
See how fast this kind of classification of voters gets out of control?
It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:
1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.
2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.
well seeing as we are living off loans from china and wall street is living on bail outs from those loans I suppose we should all lose the right to vote
I'm sick of the stupid Wall Street thing. Government caused the crisis which I opposed and bailed them out which I opposed and I'm supposed to apologize for that somehow, I don't think so.
On China, I also oppose deficit spending, and I'm proposing a solution to that, people who spend other people's money. That supports my point, it doesn't counter it.
Some people don't abuse the system to the point that removing their civil liberties is justified.
They are infringing on the civil liberties of others through people they are voting for who use the power of guns to do it. Why should they be able to continue to vote for that forced redistribution and infringement on other's right to property WHILE they are doing it?
Being unfortunate enough to lose your job, house or car through this recession does not make you a leech on society. Most people have payed into the safety nets their entire lives so I hardly understand your point.
Hard times do not descriminate.
Then there are people like my grandfather. He served in ww2 and became disabled. So you would take away his right to vote too?
You never answered my question.
A soldier is disabled during his service to our country and now receives benefits. Can he vote?
It's a clear conflict of interest. They are not stakeholders when they are taking and not giving, and their voting reflects it. They should not be able to vote. Two clarifications:
1) I am talking about all forms of welfare, including social security and medicare. You are living on someone else's money, it's welfare.
2) I am only not allowing them to vote for one year after they take a welfare check. Once they become a full citizen who is a stakeholder in our country again, they get to vote again.
Should welfare recipients be able to vote?
I'm sick of the stupid "government caused the wall street thing".
Should welfare recipients be able to vote?
What you propose is illegal and un-Constitutional, a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the case law in support of those acts, and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as it discriminates against a suspect class of persons.
That you are clearly unaware of this is remarkable and tragic.
Is such ignorance indicative of all conservatives or only you?
Judging from this thread it seems the former.
I'm sick of the stupid "government caused the wall street thing".
To listen to the right, government is responsible for hair loss, stubbed toes, and Beck no longer being on Fox.
I think the thing that would make a bigger difference would be to stop giving welfare to people whose financial and social woes are of their own creation. There are a lot of people out there who DESERVE the help. There are even more who DON'T. What we need to do is to get those people who DON'T DESERVE the help off the dole. Let them sink or swim on their own.
I'll explain the difference with two different women I know....
One has 4 kids from age 4 to 15. Three and a half years ago her husband walked into their house and announced he was moving out to live with his stripper-girlfriend. He has only recently allowed the divorce to finalize. She has consistantly had to fight with him over stupid shit. Her parents sided with her ex-husband and threw her out and the kids out of their home over religious issues. She does everything she can to supplement the child support with as much income as she can. In recent months she's been able to pick up more work, and her boyfriend who has a job now lives with her and the kids as well. They still need a little help on occasion and I don't begrudge them getting it from the Government. They hope not to need it at all anymore within the next six months (at most).
The other walked out on her ex-husband because "Being married wasn't fun anymore". She fought for custody of her son and daughter even though she can barely support them. She has quit at least three jobs in the last two years because the work schedules interfered with her partying. She lives literally check to check and DCYF has almost removed the kids from her numerous times. She's made her own bed, but now I have to send her part of my paycheck every week through State and Federal welfare programs. That really pisses me off.
You never answered my question.
A soldier is disabled during his service to our country and now receives benefits. Can he vote?
You never answered my question.
A soldier is disabled during his service to our country and now receives benefits. Can he vote?
Yes, military isn't welfare
