Should we have a State Religion ?

[Neotrotsky]

Should we have a State Religion ?


For the record, I believe that a state religion is bad. Anything approaching a Theocracy type of gov't should always be avoided.


I am just wondering why others feel it is bad or for that matter, good.

 

[California Girl]

No

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Cite for us those on this board that have said it would be a good idea.

 

[editec]

Should we have a State Religion ?

We have one.

We worship Mammon.

If we were being honest with ourselves we'd chance our national symbol from the American Bald Eagle to the

GOLDEN CALF of BAAL​

 

[Neotrotsky]

Cite for us those on this board that have said it would be a good idea.

No has said that any have....

This is just a discussion on why state religion is bad or if one feels why it would be good

 

[Neotrotsky]

Should we have a State Religion ?

We have one.

We worship Mammon.

If we were being honest with ourselves we'd chance our national symbol from the American Bald Eagle to the

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I suppose many do...

But that is still not an official state religion

 

[Intense]

Should we have a State Religion ?


For the record, I believe that a state religion is bad. Anything approaching a Theocracy type of gov't should always be avoided.


I am just wondering why others feel it is bad or for that matter, good.

No.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Cite for us those on this board that have said it would be a good idea.

No has said that any have....

This is just a discussion on why state religion is bad or if one feels why it would be good

If no one has said it is a good idea, exactly how do you expect to have a conversation on whether it is a good or bad idea?

 

[Granny]

No, we should not have a state religion but what cannot get through to some people is that we never have had a state religion. Ever. That our country was founded on Judao-Christian principles was not the establishment of a state religion. But those principles were/are more a way we should conduct ourselves with good character when dealing with others.

Very unfortunately, many have strayed from "the straight and narrow" and have corrupted or misinterpreted the original language to suit it to their own needs and/or beliefs.

 

[Neotrotsky]

No, we should not have a state religion but what cannot get through to some people is that we never have had a state religion. Ever. That our country was founded on Judao-Christian principles was not the establishment of a state religion. But those principles were/are more a way we should conduct ourselves with good character when dealing with others.

Very unfortunately, many have strayed from "the straight and narrow" and have corrupted or misinterpreted the original language to suit it to their own needs and/or beliefs.

Agree

 

[editec]

Should we have a State Religion ?

We have one.

We worship Mammon.

If we were being honest with ourselves we'd chance our national symbol from the American Bald Eagle to the

I suppose many do...

But that is still not an official state religion

On the contrary, it is.

What do you think CAPITALISM really is?

How many times have you read people expressing contempt for the less fortunate than themselves on this board?

Many of those greed is good types also try to tell us they are Christians.

They are, whether they understand it or not, worshipping materialism, which is the basic underlying principle and religious tenent of Mammonism.

Oh they may think they're Chiristians, but they are Mammon worshipping Golden Calf heathens who reject the basic premise of the Christian faith every time they tell us

I GOT MINE, GET YOURS​

Incidently, some of those greed is good types also claim to be Jews or Moslems, too.

They are ALSO are heretics to their professed religions.

All three of those religions deny the supremacy of the individual and hold that men are social creatures whose duty is to their fellow believers and to their GOD.

None of the religious worship wealth and imagine that the weathy are blessed by GOD.



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[Neotrotsky]

We have one.

We worship Mammon.

If we were being honest with ourselves we'd chance our national symbol from the American Bald Eagle to the

I suppose many do...

But that is still not an official state religion

On the contrary, it is.

What do you think CAPITALISM really is?

How many times have you read people expressing contempt for the less fortunate than themselves on this board?

Many of those greed is good types also try to tell us they are Christians.

They are, whether they understand it or not, worshipping materialism, which is the basic underlying principle and religious tenent of Mammonism.

Oh they may think they're Chiristians, but they are Mammon worshipping Golden Calf heathens who reject the basic premise of the Christian faith every time they tell us

I GOT MINE, GET YOURS​

so is it the capitalism you have a problem not the imposing of a state religion?

 

[editec]

I suppose many do...

But that is still not an official state religion

On the contrary, it is.

What do you think CAPITALISM really is?

How many times have you read people expressing contempt for the less fortunate than themselves on this board?

Many of those greed is good types also try to tell us they are Christians.

They are, whether they understand it or not, worshipping materialism, which is the basic underlying principle and religious tenent of Mammonism.

Oh they may think they're Chiristians, but they are Mammon worshipping Golden Calf heathens who reject the basic premise of the Christian faith every time they tell us

I GOT MINE, GET YOURS​

so is it the capitalism you have a problem not the imposing of a state religion?

I addressed the question of whether or not we had a state religion.

We do, we just pretend that it is something other than a religion.

It is the religion of materialism.

Our entire society is based on the premises of capitalism which catagorically REJECTS all faith based thinking.

 

[Neotrotsky]

On the contrary, it is.

What do you think CAPITALISM really is?

How many times have you read people expressing contempt for the less fortunate than themselves on this board?

Many of those greed is good types also try to tell us they are Christians.

They are, whether they understand it or not, worshipping materialism, which is the basic underlying principle and religious tenent of Mammonism.

Oh they may think they're Chiristians, but they are Mammon worshipping Golden Calf heathens who reject the basic premise of the Christian faith every time they tell us

I GOT MINE, GET YOURS​

so is it the capitalism you have a problem not the imposing of a state religion?

I addressed the question of whether or not we had a state religion.

We do, we just pretend that it is something other than a religion.

It is the religion of materialism.

Our entire society is based on the premises of capitalism which catagorically REJECTS all faith based thinking.

Actually you answered a different question

There was really two

The question was Should we have a State Religion (not DO)

and

I am just wondering why others feel it is bad or for that matter, good.


Fine that you think capitalism is the state religion
Should we or not and why?

 

[pinqy]

No, we should not have a state religion but what cannot get through to some people is that we never have had a state religion. Ever.

Not quite true. While we've never had a National Religion, some of the colonies did have established churches even after Independence, and many continued with unofficial religions through the method of religious tests for office establishing accepted and official religious beliefs.

That our country was founded on Judao-Christian principles was not the establishment of a state religion. But those principles were/are more a way we should conduct ourselves with good character when dealing with others.

The issue as I see it, is that under the claim of "Judeo-Christian principles," many are striving for an Unoffical Religion where a broad version of Christianity has supremecy and governmental favor and support. For example, the school prayer case of Engel v Vitale (1962) where New York wrote an official prayer required for recitation by teachers every morning. The prayer was broad and non-demoninational, but still an attempt to require religious observation. And mandatory posting of the 10 Commandments in schools, and other requirements/allowances for government support of religion, which, in a Christian majority country, will favor Christianity.

 

[Neotrotsky]

No, we should not have a state religion but what cannot get through to some people is that we never have had a state religion. Ever.

Not quite true. While we've never had a National Religion, some of the colonies did have established churches even after Independence, and many continued with unofficial religions through the method of religious tests for office establishing accepted and official religious beliefs.

That our country was founded on Judao-Christian principles was not the establishment of a state religion. But those principles were/are more a way we should conduct ourselves with good character when dealing with others.

The issue as I see it, is that under the claim of "Judeo-Christian principles," many are striving for an Unoffical Religion where a broad version of Christianity has supremecy and governmental favor and support. For example, the school prayer case of Engel v Vitale (1962) where New York wrote an official prayer required for recitation by teachers every morning. The prayer was broad and non-demoninational, but still an attempt to require religious observation. And mandatory posting of the 10 Commandments in schools, and other requirements/allowances for government support of religion, which, in a Christian majority country, will favor Christianity.

I assume you are against the posting.
If so then there be more inclusive postings of all religions or no postings?

Again, I feel a State Religion is bad-
If you do as well- why?

The question is not Do we or Have we ever

It is focusing more on why it is bad

Thanks

 

[Truthmatters]

There should obviously be NO STATE RELIGION,

So christians quit trying to say there is.

 

[High_Gravity]

No.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Should we have a State Religion ?


For the record, I believe that a state religion is bad. Anything approaching a Theocracy type of gov't should always be avoided.


I am just wondering why others feel it is bad or for that matter, good.

What an excellent question...and just the season for it!

I don't think that anyone on the board will acquiesce to a 'state religion'...but I would like to review the Founder's views on the matter.

1. "[O]ne does not have to be a religious observer to grasp that the core values of Western civilization are grounded in religion, and to be concerned that the erosion of religious observance therefore undermines those values and the ‘secular ideals’ they reflect." “The World Turned Upside Down,” Melanie Phillips, 2009 Preface.

2. Deist though he claimed to be, consider this by Benjamin Franklin: “…do not depend too much on your own industry, and frugality, and prudence, though excellent things; for they may all be blasted, without the blessing of Heaven; and, therefore, ask that blessing humbly, and be not uncharitable to those that at present seem to want it, but comfort and help them. Remember, Job suffered, and was afterward prosperous.” John Bach McMaster, “Benjamin Franklin,” p. 125.

a. "I've lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing Proofs I see of this Truth - That God governs in the Affairs of Men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that except the Lord build the House they labor in vain who build it. I firmly believe this, - and I also believe that without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our Projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a Reproach and Bye word down to future Ages." –Benjamin Franklin, Speech to the Constitutional Convention, June 28, 1787

3. As for the famous “separation of church and state,” the phrase appears in no federal document. In fact, at the time of ratification of the Constitution, ten of the thirteen colonies had some provision recognizing Christianity as either the official, or the recommended religion in their state constitutions.

a. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…”Massachusetts Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. North Carolina Constitution, article 32, 1776: “That no person who shall deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority of either the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall b e capable of holding any office, or place of trust or profit, in the civil department, within this State.” Constitution of North Carolina, 1776

c. So, the Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do the same, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” He wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

We have one.

We worship Mammon.

If we were being honest with ourselves we'd chance our national symbol from the American Bald Eagle to the

I suppose many do...

But that is still not an official state religion

On the contrary, it is.

What do you think CAPITALISM really is?

How many times have you read people expressing contempt for the less fortunate than themselves on this board?

Many of those greed is good types also try to tell us they are Christians.

They are, whether they understand it or not, worshipping materialism, which is the basic underlying principle and religious tenent of Mammonism.

Oh they may think they're Chiristians, but they are Mammon worshipping Golden Calf heathens who reject the basic premise of the Christian faith every time they tell us

I GOT MINE, GET YOURS​

Incidently, some of those greed is good types also claim to be Jews or Moslems, too.

They are ALSO are heretics to their professed religions.

All three of those religions deny the supremacy of the individual and hold that men are social creatures whose duty is to their fellow believers and to their GOD.

None of the religious worship wealth and imagine that the weathy are blessed by GOD.



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You are full of absolute shit. Go ahead NAME the posters that have expressed disdain for those less fortunate then them. You are a closet socialist, afraid to admit it for fear of being rejected. Socialism does NOT WORK. Not on any scale above a small one. Human nature precludes socialism from working. Someone always has to be in charge, someone will always be against the establishment, someone will always want more then they have and someone will always be to lazy to work looking for a handout. None of which works in socialism.