Should we abolish the 8 hour workday?

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

Three lawyers and two accountants? People can form, incorporate, register, and file annual reports with the state, and act as their own general agent. The only thing they might (or might not) need is one accountant.

O.k. Granny, ya got me - I said 3 lawyers and 2 accountants for exaggerated emphasis of a point.

The point being that if you plan on a business, even one as simple as landscaping or janitorial services, to last more than a few years and grow to a point where the owner can stop working 16 hour days, a lawyer and an accountant MUST be placed on some sort of retainer.

Why do we need a business environment that requires hired legal guns for even the simplest of service and retail endeavors if not to limit the competition factor for the corporations?

I can see having an accountant on tap at all times - lawyers, not so much unless you're a large corporation. Damned near everything has become so complicated - patent and intellectual property laws, labor and employment laws - you just about need an attorney who specializes in their particular area of law.
 
This is utter bullshit. I opened my first 3 stores before I ever hired a lawyer, and all my accountant did back then was file my annual return, which he prepared from the books we kept ourselves.

This is the typical uneducated, lazy excuse the left always throws out there. Opening a business is as simple as walking into the county courthouse and applying for license. If you're too stupid to do that without a lawyer and an accountant, you probably couldn't find the courthouse anyway.

What year?

No need to take personal shots here - A) you don't know me and B) my education and ambition are not what are being discussed here.

It was not aimed at you personally. I can't explain why you took it that way.

1998 was the first. The next two came between then and 2002.

However, I opened 2 new, separate businesses this year, and have another that will come on line in early 2011. All had capital investments, with new LLCs consisting of myself and a single partner, both with 50% ownership. We form each corporation on our own, file it with the SoS, make our own applications, and keep our own books. None of it is rocket science, but our basic understanding of accounting has served us well.

Why pay a lawyer to take your money? There is very little they do that is actually worth their fee, or that requires any expertise. We use them occasionally now, but only for a legal opinion or an inconvenient filing. If you run your business fairly and ethically, you have little to no need for a lawyer.

Can't explain why I took it that way when you called me "uneducated", "lazy" and "stupid"?

:wtf:

Oh, well... moot point. Pressing forward then...

:eusa_think: Perhaps it IS just me then. In 2004 I tried to start a businesses that I attempted to lace together prior to having the cash saved up to have an attorney on my payroll which was subsequently shattered by not complying with some stupid state occupancy tax code that I was completely unaware I was in violation of. It was retail photography, which I was good enough at to be a certified professional instructor for the corporation that I became disgruntled with.

In the states of Washington and Florida at least, you can't just 'hang a shingle' and go. At least here in Florida I was experienced enough to do a little more homework before laying out the cash for the license and space.
 
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The point being that if you plan on a business, even one as simple as landscaping or janitorial services, to last more than a few years and grow to a point where the owner can stop working 16 hour days, a lawyer and an accountant MUST be placed on some sort of retainer.

Why?

I must have missed that day in class, because as I've said, that has not been my experience. Granted, my accountant saves me a ton of money (mostly personal though, not through the business itself) and does a lot of the grunt work we're tired of dealing with, but I have no need for lawyers, and I am a gun dealer. Why would a landscaper?

Why MUST I put a lawyer and accountant on retainer? For what purpose?

You must be good or lucky or both - I've known several guys who've tried various entrepreneurial endeavors and been frustrated or shut down by things like tax issues and city / county codes. Although I've never tried gun sales - perhaps the trick is to try a business in an industry that has well heeled lobbyists paid by the manufacturers.
 
One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?
huh? :cuckoo:
I opened my first business with $50 and a DBA advertisement in the local paper that cost $10.00. No lawyer, no accountant.

Today it is even easier - you have Quickbooks for accounting software, Legal Zoom for legal advice and common filings, and thousands of on-line Forums that offer great business advice for free. There has never been a better time to be an entrepreneur.
 
Just wondering if anyone wants to get rid of that socialist policy of limiting working hours/mandating extra pay for overtime. I'm sure that none of you (I assume that some of y'all are productive members of society) would mind working 12 or 14 hours for the same pay, right?

get a gov. job, you'll never see another 8 hour work day in your life....:lol:
 

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