Should we abolish the 8 hour workday?

[Mini 14]

Are you an American worker?

No. But I have several on my payroll.

its been my experience that you get what you pay for...

Mine as well.

 

[Zander]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

 

[AVG-JOE]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

 

[Avorysuds]

Sure, get rid of the 40 hour week... Why is having a 40 hour week rule a good thing?

 

[Mini 14]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

This is utter bullshit. I opened my first 3 stores before I ever hired a lawyer, and all my accountant did back then was file my annual return, which he prepared from the books we kept ourselves.

This is the typical uneducated, lazy excuse the left always throws out there. Opening a business is as simple as walking into the county courthouse and applying for license. If you're too stupid to do that without a lawyer and an accountant, you probably couldn't find the courthouse anyway.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Should we abolish the 8 hour workday?

Let's ask that question to some of the people currently unemployed or should I say, employed by the government by collecting unemployment.

 

[Granny]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

Three lawyers and two accountants? People can form, incorporate, register, and file annual reports with the state, and act as their own general agent. The only thing they might (or might not) need is one accountant.

 

[Political Junky]

The US has one of the most worker friendly 8 hour laws out there.


Is that right?
The US worker has less vacation time, and fewer benefits than workers in the European Union.

 

[AVG-JOE]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

This is utter bullshit. I opened my first 3 stores before I ever hired a lawyer, and all my accountant did back then was file my annual return, which he prepared from the books we kept ourselves.

This is the typical uneducated, lazy excuse the left always throws out there. Opening a business is as simple as walking into the county courthouse and applying for license. If you're too stupid to do that without a lawyer and an accountant, you probably couldn't find the courthouse anyway.

What year?

No need to take personal shots here - A) you don't know me and B) my education and ambition are not what are being discussed here.

 

[jillian]

The US has one of the most worker friendly 8 hour laws out there.

Is that right?
The US worker has less vacation time, and fewer benefits than workers in the European Union.

 

[AVG-JOE]

One of the great things about capitalism is the ability to own your own business. If you don't like what you are being paid or the hours are too long - stop whining and start your own company. Government is not your mommy.

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

Three lawyers and two accountants? People can form, incorporate, register, and file annual reports with the state, and act as their own general agent. The only thing they might (or might not) need is one accountant.

O.k. Granny, ya got me - I said 3 lawyers and 2 accountants for exaggerated emphasis of a point.

The point being that if you plan on a business, even one as simple as landscaping or janitorial services, to last more than a few years and grow to a point where the owner can stop working 16 hour days, a lawyer and an accountant MUST be placed on some sort of retainer.

Why do we need a business environment that requires hired legal guns for even the simplest of service and retail endeavors if not to limit the competition factor for the corporations?

 

[Granny]

Just wondering if anyone wants to get rid of that socialist policy of limiting working hours/mandating extra pay for overtime. I'm sure that none of you (I assume that some of y'all are productive members of society) would mind working 12 or 14 hours for the same pay, right?

Eight hours a day at regular pay is enough. Overtime should be paid after 40 hours. The worker's time is just as valuable as anyone else's - time away from family, a real problem for single parent families unless they have last minute child care available. Taking care of incapacitated family members who do not require nursing home or institutional care is another factor.

Depending on the type of job, the stress level, safety issues, etc. continual 14-18 hour days can ultimately take a very serious toll on the body as well as the mental faculties and immediate ability to avert what could be a very life threatening situation - for everybody. People need some down time to get themselves physically/ mentally healthy and alert.

What we do need is to have our working hours actually having work done instead of lolling about and wasting time.

 

[Mini 14]

You're making the assumption that the average disgruntled worker can afford the 3 lawyers and 2 accountants that are REQUIRED to start a successful business in most of America due to the success that those who CAN afford lawyers and accountants have had in creating a slanted playing field to protect their own businesses.

Why do all the work it takes to compete when politicians are so cheap these days?

This is utter bullshit. I opened my first 3 stores before I ever hired a lawyer, and all my accountant did back then was file my annual return, which he prepared from the books we kept ourselves.

This is the typical uneducated, lazy excuse the left always throws out there. Opening a business is as simple as walking into the county courthouse and applying for license. If you're too stupid to do that without a lawyer and an accountant, you probably couldn't find the courthouse anyway.

What year?

No need to take personal shots here - A) you don't know me and B) my education and ambition are not what are being discussed here.

It was not aimed at you personally. I can't explain why you took it that way.

1998 was the first. The next two came between then and 2002.

However, I opened 2 new, separate businesses this year, and have another that will come on line in early 2011. All had capital investments, with new LLCs consisting of myself and a single partner, both with 50% ownership. We form each corporation on our own, file it with the SoS, make our own applications, and keep our own books. None of it is rocket science, but our basic understanding of accounting has served us well.

Why pay a lawyer to take your money? There is very little they do that is actually worth their fee, or that requires any expertise. We use them occasionally now, but only for a legal opinion or an inconvenient filing. If you run your business fairly and ethically, you have little to no need for a lawyer.

 

[ConHog]

Has anyone pointed out that there is in fact no 8 hour work day law? Your employer can work you 24 hours a day on regular pay as long as you don't go over 40 hours a week.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why can't the government just give everyone an annual salary of $100,000?

 

[ConHog]

Why can't the government just give everyone an annual salary of $100,000?

and free rent.

 

[Mini 14]

The point being that if you plan on a business, even one as simple as landscaping or janitorial services, to last more than a few years and grow to a point where the owner can stop working 16 hour days, a lawyer and an accountant MUST be placed on some sort of retainer.

Why?

I must have missed that day in class, because as I've said, that has not been my experience. Granted, my accountant saves me a ton of money (mostly personal though, not through the business itself) and does a lot of the grunt work we're tired of dealing with, but I have no need for lawyers, and I am a gun dealer. Why would a landscaper?

Why MUST I put a lawyer and accountant on retainer? For what purpose?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lorenzo d'Medici: "Whoaaa there, Michelangelo! We have rules against working longer than 8 hours a day here in Florence. Put down the chisel and come back tomorrow."

 

[shintao]

Just wondering if anyone wants to get rid of that socialist policy of limiting working hours/mandating extra pay for overtime. I'm sure that none of you (I assume that some of y'all are productive members of society) would mind working 12 or 14 hours for the same pay, right?

I'd like to abolish offices and work from home.

Not me. I want to work in a highrise and carry on adulterous affairs with the girls on the third floor, promise them better wages and positions as I progress to train them into the perfect whores. And then fire them by the 6th floor and leave them dazed and shocked beyond imagination. It would be years before anyone caught on. I would keep a couple of excellant workers that did my work and made me shine in all the office meetings, while I lounged out by my pool at home and trained my first floor workers.

 

[shintao]

Lorenzo d'Medici: "Whoaaa there, Michelangelo! We have rules against working longer than 8 hours a day here in Florence. Put down the chisel and come back tomorrow."

The body was never designed for 8 hour work, and most execs discover that after their first heart attack.