Should Trump Have Withheld Military Aid to Ukraine ?

[g5000]

Are you okay? Where in the video does Biden bring up his son?

Yes, You just SAW IT, in the video posted in post # 59.

Don't play dumb. He bragged about getting the proscecutor who was investigating Burisma (whom his son was working for in a highly corrupt way) Or maybe you'd like to tell us how knowledgable Hunter was about Ukraine and natural gas. HA HA.

At what time mark does Joe Biden mention his son or Burisma? Please tell us where to see the same hallucination you saw.

 

[LaDairis]

Republican Senators wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

and THAT is the biggest danger here for The Donald, by going after the kickback to Hunter Biden, he will find that many many others also got kickbacks, and many of those are "Republicans...."


Which "Republican" Senators will vote to "remove?"

A: those who got the kickbacks too

 

[g5000]

By the way, kids. Shokin was not investigating Burisma at the time of his firing. He had investigated YEARS BEFORE Biden was put on the board, and nothing came of it.

Your hoax is pathetic.

 

[g5000]

Republican Senators wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

and THAT is the biggest danger here for The Donald, by going after the kickback to Hunter Biden, he will find that many many others also got kickbacks, and many of those are "Republicans...."


Which "Republican" Senators will vote to "remove?"

A: those who got the kickbacks too

Oh, you have decided to double down on your idiot hoax.

Please provide evidence the Republican senators were bribed.

 

[Syriusly]

The difference between Trump and Biden?
Biden: open Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine as part of the United States official agenda to reduce corruption in Ukraine.
Trump: secret Quid pro Quo with Ukraine to further his own personal and political agenda .

The difference between Trump and Biden?

Biden: open Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine threatening withholding of 1 Billion of US aid, to preserve corrupt connection between his qualificationless son and Ukranian energy company Burisma, based on Joe Biden's position as USA VP, to further his own personal agenda, all having no benefit to the American people.

Trump: attempt to investigate the Biden corruption, according to US requirements.

Biden: open Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine threatening withholding of 1 Billion of US aid, to preserve corrupt connection between his qualificationless son and Ukranian energy company Burisma, based on Joe Biden's position as USA VP, to further his own personal agenda, all having no benefit to the American people.

Except you know that is all a lie.
Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine
“By late fall of 2015, the EU and the United States joined the chorus of those seeking Mr. Shokin’s removal as the start of an overall reform of the Procurator General’s Office,” Herbst testified. “U.S. Vice President Joe Biden spoke publicly about this before and during his December visit to Kyiv; but Mr. Shokin remained in place.”

Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia under President Barack Obama, on Sept. 20 tweeted that the “Obama administration policy (not just ‘Biden policy’) to push for this Ukrainian general prosecutor to go” was “a shared view in many capitals, multilateral lending institutions, and pro-democratic Ukrainian civil society

 

[colfax_m]

Are you okay? Where in the video does Biden bring up his son?

Yes, You just SAW IT, in the video posted in post # 59.

Don't play dumb. He bragged about getting the proscecutor who was investigating Burisma (whom his son was working for in a highly corrupt way) Or maybe you'd like to tell us how knowledgable Hunter was about Ukraine and natural gas. HA HA.

Ah, so you're admitting he didn't say what you tried to tell me he did. Great.

Now, where did Joe Biden say that Shokin was investigating Burisma?

 

[Syriusly]

The difference between Trump and Biden?
Biden: open Quid Pro Quo with Ukraine as part of the United States official agenda to reduce corruption in Ukraine.
Trump: secret Quid pro Quo with Ukraine to further his own personal and political agenda .

Trump: attempt to investigate the Biden corruption, according to US requirements.

There is and was no U.S. requirement that President Trump investigate corruption in foreign countries. If there was, then Trump would be derelict in his duties since he never asked Ukraine to investigate Paul Manafort.

Of course if Trump actually believed that there was a crime committed by either Biden, he has an entire Federal law enforcement agency he could ask to investigate- rather than have a secret call to a foreign leader to ask for the foreign leader to make a public announcement of an investigation into his political rival.

Why do you think it was sooooooo very important to Trump that Zelinsky himself make a public announcement that the Biden's were being investigated. Not that corruption was being cracked down on in Ukraine- but that the Biden's were being investigated.

Tell us about how that was in the interests of the Unites States- because we know it would be in the personal political interests of Donald Trump.

 

[Syriusly]

The appearance of a conflict was an issue. There was nothing beyond the appearance and that's been confirmed over and over again the Biden corruption story is bogus.

The Biden corruption is not a "story". It is a video of Bad Boy Biden himself bragging about his corruption,

Still trying to figure out how Biden bragging about a success in U.S. foreign policy is 'bragging about his corruption'.

Michael McFaul, a former U.S. ambassador to Russia under President Barack Obama, on Sept. 20 tweeted that the “Obama administration policy (not just ‘Biden policy’) to push for this Ukrainian general prosecutor to go” was “a shared view in many capitals, multilateral lending institutions, and pro-democratic Ukrainian civil society

 

[Syriusly]

This is just about THE BIGGEST CLUE you could ask for....


Trump drops bid to slash foreign aid after Congress objects




Trump tried to cut foreign aid.

Congress objected.

Why?


ASK HUNTER BIDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you imagine Hunter Biden would know what went on in the little mind of Trump?

Trump tried to cut foreign aid- including foreign aid to help fight corruption.

Its pretty clear that the only corruption Trump ever pretends to care about is when he is having a rally and smearing the Bidens.

 

[protectionist]

At what time mark does Joe Biden mention his son or Burisma? Please tell us where to see the same hallucination you saw.

Don't play dumb. The whole world saw and knows about it. Are you for real ?

 

[Syriusly]

First of all, as so commonly happens when Democrats try to pull off another anti-Trump coup, the entire definition of this issue has become distorted to how they wish it to appear.
The President of the United States is required to investigate whether foreign countries seeking US aid are involved in corruption, to insure that the aid is properly used. That aid is supposed to be withheld if corruption is found.

There was no need for Trump to inquire about corruption as pertaining to then Vice-President Joe Biden (who openly broadcasted it on video). Clearly, there was corruption pertaining to Hunter Biden, who brought nothing to the Burisma table other than being the son of the US Vice-President.

Maybe Trump was wrong to allow Ukraine to get the aid they got, as was Obama who also gave Ukraine aid (although he did withhold MILITARY aid, and just gave blankets). By giving aid in the face of the Biden/Burisma corruption, the Ukrainians now become comfortable in engaging in corruption, while requesting US aid.

I can’t believe people are still going with the Biden corruption angle when it was so thoroughly disproven in last weeks testimony.

Holy shit! Bull Schiff telling Republicans to suspend when they ask inconvenient questions that don't support his personal vendetta didn't disprove jack shit. Get a grip.

What the hell are you talking about? Listen to the damn testimony and learn a thing or two.

1. There was no active investigation into Burisma by Shokin.
2. Shokin was widely regarded by everyone with knowledge in the State Dept to be corrupt
3. The efforts to replace Shokin began by the career State Dept officials
4. Biden's participation was consistent with US foreign policy of reducing corruption in Ukraine.

But that doesn't fit with the lies put out by Trump and his propaganda machine.

Remember, for members of Trump's cult- like protectionist here- actual facts don't exist- only the narrative put out by their Orange Messiah is real to them.

 

[Syriusly]

The appearance of a conflict was an issue. There was nothing beyond the appearance and that's been confirmed over and over again the Biden corruption story is bogus.

No, it isnt' bogus, it happened....and the ones who investigated it....are the same ones who made up the Russia hoax....so spare us...

Nope. Bogus. Name one person that corroborates the bogus story.

Joe biden.

Joe Biden confirmed what we all knew, that Shokin was corrupt and the US policy was to have him replaced by someone less corrupt. He doesn't corroborate the bogus story that he did it for personal benefit.

His son was on the board, and that is what we know about.....biden has been corrupt since day one.

Hunter was on the board- which was bad optics but not illegal.

And of course not one of your Trumpkins has actually produced any evidence that Biden did anything illegal.

Meanwhile of course, you have your Orange Messiah asking foreign governments to investigate his chief political rival.

Very Hugo Chavez like.

 

[Syriusly]

At what time mark does Joe Biden mention his son or Burisma? Please tell us where to see the same hallucination you saw.

Don't play dumb. The whole world saw and knows about it. Are you for real ?

We will note you were unable to provide any mention of Hunter or Burisma in Joe's claim.

 

[protectionist]

We will note you were unable to provide any mention of Hunter or Burisma in Joe's claim.

0:36 and 1:12

 

[Syriusly]

The EU wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

The EBRD wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

The IMF wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

The Ukrainian people wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

The Ukrainian legislature wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.

Republican Senators wanted the massively corrupt Shokin fired.


Yeah. It must have been about Hunter Biden.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Yeah that is a hell of a conspiracy.

How did they mobilize those Ukrainian people to protest in order to protect Hunter Biden?

 

[2aguy]

No, it isnt' bogus, it happened....and the ones who investigated it....are the same ones who made up the Russia hoax....so spare us...

Nope. Bogus. Name one person that corroborates the bogus story.

Joe biden.

Joe Biden confirmed what we all knew, that Shokin was corrupt and the US policy was to have him replaced by someone less corrupt. He doesn't corroborate the bogus story that he did it for personal benefit.

His son was on the board, and that is what we know about.....biden has been corrupt since day one.

Hunter was on the board- which was bad optics but not illegal.

And of course not one of your Trumpkins has actually produced any evidence that Biden did anything illegal.

Meanwhile of course, you have your Orange Messiah asking foreign governments to investigate his chief political rival.

Very Hugo Chavez like.

I never said his being on the board was illegal....joe biden using 1 billion dollars to keep his son's company from being investigated is the issue.

Biden isn't his chief political rival...warren is....biden can't appear in public without his eye squirting blood and his teeth falling out...

 

[g5000]

I think these tards actually bleev there is a video of Joe Biden saying he got Shokin fired to protect his son.

I think they actually bleev this shit.

It's amazing. Trump pukes up an innuendo, and the tard herd bleevs it is the gospel truth.

"I want to bleev it, so it must be true!"

Many a masters thesis is going to be written about the credulity of Trumptards.

 

[g5000]

Nope. Bogus. Name one person that corroborates the bogus story.

Joe biden.

Joe Biden confirmed what we all knew, that Shokin was corrupt and the US policy was to have him replaced by someone less corrupt. He doesn't corroborate the bogus story that he did it for personal benefit.

His son was on the board, and that is what we know about.....biden has been corrupt since day one.

Hunter was on the board- which was bad optics but not illegal.

And of course not one of your Trumpkins has actually produced any evidence that Biden did anything illegal.

Meanwhile of course, you have your Orange Messiah asking foreign governments to investigate his chief political rival.

Very Hugo Chavez like.

I never said his being on the board was illegal....joe biden using 1 billion dollars to keep his son's company from being investigated is the issue.

That's a hoax. Not one of you have ever provided a single shred of evidence to support it.

You seem to think all you need to do is keep repeating a hoax, and the truer it becomes!

 

[colfax_m]

Nope. Bogus. Name one person that corroborates the bogus story.

Joe biden.

Joe Biden confirmed what we all knew, that Shokin was corrupt and the US policy was to have him replaced by someone less corrupt. He doesn't corroborate the bogus story that he did it for personal benefit.

His son was on the board, and that is what we know about.....biden has been corrupt since day one.

Hunter was on the board- which was bad optics but not illegal.

And of course not one of your Trumpkins has actually produced any evidence that Biden did anything illegal.

Meanwhile of course, you have your Orange Messiah asking foreign governments to investigate his chief political rival.

Very Hugo Chavez like.

I never said his being on the board was illegal....joe biden using 1 billion dollars to keep his son's company from being investigated is the issue.

Biden isn't his chief political rival...warren is....biden can't appear in public without his eye squirting blood and his teeth falling out...

How did Biden use 1 billion dollars to keep his son's company from being investigated?

 

[protectionist]

Hunter was on the board- which was bad optics but not illegal.

And of course not one of your Trumpkins has actually produced any evidence that Biden did anything illegal.

Meanwhile of course, you have your Orange Messiah asking foreign governments to investigate his chief political rival.

Very Hugo Chavez like.

Nobody said he did or didn't do something illegal. The Trump phone call was about corruption.

And he shouldn't ask about investigation. There was nothing to investigate. Biden gave it to us openly in video.

The aid should have been withheld.