Should Trump Have Withheld Military Aid to Ukraine ?

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    First of all, as so commonly happens when Democrats try to pull off another anti-Trump coup, the entire definition of this issue has become distorted to how they wish it to appear.
    The President of the United States is required to investigate whether foreign countries seeking US aid are involved in corruption, to insure that the aid is properly used. That aid is supposed to be withheld if corruption is found.

    There was no need for Trump to inquire about corruption as pertaining to then Vice-President Joe Biden (who openly broadcasted it on video). Clearly, there was corruption pertaining to Hunter Biden, who brought nothing to the Burisma table other than being the son of the US Vice-President.

    Maybe Trump was wrong to allow Ukraine to get the aid they got, as was Obama who also gave Ukraine aid (although he did withhold MILITARY aid, and just gave blankets). By giving aid in the face of the Biden/Burisma corruption, the Ukrainians now become comfortable in engaging in corruption, while requesting US aid.
     
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    I can’t believe people are still going with the Biden corruption angle when it was so thoroughly disproven in last weeks testimony.
     
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    Trump Schmump. why dont the failing new york times open up a fucking foreign bureau from moscow to kyiv and investigate the Bidens, if they really want the facts, after they find nothing on our great president!
     
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    Wowzers. Define disproven. State department cronies with axes to grind saying so doesn't prove shit.
     
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    I want to break down your 'alternative facts' with the actual facts

    a) The President of the United States had already had the reports from U.S. military and the U.S. State Department regarding corruption. The standard was not 'no corruption' but that corruption had been reduced- and that didn't change when Trump abruptly released the funds. Remember the only thing that changed from the time that President Trump put a hold on the funds to the time he released them was 1) Congress found out about his secret withholding of the funds, 2) Trump found out someone had filed a whistleblower report that was going to end up in Congress and 3) Zelinsky had agreed to make a public announcement on CNN that Ukraine was investigating Trump's political rival.

    Also remember- at no point has Trump asked Ukraine to investigate corruption in Ukraine- he asked Ukraine to investigate a) a conspiracy theory about Ukraine and the 2016 U.S. election, the mythical DNC server/Crowdstrike and Joe and Hunter Biden. All of those date back to 2016 or before and none of them have anything to do with the current state of Ukrainian corruption. Which the U.S. military and state department both certified as being improved.

    b) There was no need for Trump to inquire about his political rival- because he has law enforcement to pursue actual investigations. As you know there is no evidence of any crimes by either Hunter or Joe Biden, but if there was, certainly the FBI would be the correct way to pursue it- not a secret call to a foreign leader pressuring him to make a public announcement of an inquiry into his political rival.

    c) The Ukrainians have been dealing with corrupt regimes since the fall of the Soviet Union. The entire American aid program has always been contingent on Ukraine reducing the levels of corruption. That was one of the key missions of Yovanovich. The new President of Ukraine got elected in large part to fight corruption. By Trump calling him to ask him for a purely personal political favor in exchange for American aid just contradicts America's entire plan in Ukraine.

    d) Obama didn't give just blankets. Once again you are just parroting what you hear from your Dear Leader and his Fox propaganda wing.

    By March 2015, the US had committed more than $120 million in security assistance for Ukraine and had pledged an additional $75 million worth of equipment including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices and medical supplies, according to the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
    That assistance also included some 230 armored Humvee vehicles.



    Armored Humvees are not blankets.
     
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    Well lets see.
    There is no evidence of either Hunter Biden or Joe Biden committing any crime.

    There is evidence of Trump having a secret phone call and secret inquiries to get Ukraine to make a public announcement of an investigation into his political rival.

    Hmmmmmm
     
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    It was proven when Biden allowed his threat to the Ukrainians to be videoed. It is undeniable..as is airhead Hunter and his big money job.
     
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    Lol, you sure hopped back off that disproven shit in a hurry. Nice thinkin.

    Nothing yet has come out that you don't have to read into to come to the conclusions that you knuckleheads are coming to. "What he REALLY meant was. . ." or "the ACTUAL reason he told Biden not to go to the inauguration". If the democrats want to vote to impeach based on circumstance + suspicion and then watch that shit fizzle sadly when put up against the actual legal standards of a trial before the senate, I say more power to 'em. Show the American public just how far they're willing to go with this Trump derangement nonsense, maybe some of the worst shitheads will get shuffled out over it.

    God damn it I miss when the left was sane.
     
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    The Bidens need not be investigated. There is nothing to investigate, All is clear. Joe threatened to withhold aid if a prosecutor he didn't like wasn't fired. and his know-nothing son was being paid $80,00/month just to be a Biden.
     
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    Hunter Biden is a hot mess. Nuff said
     
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