Should There Be An "Opt-Out" Clause With The New ACA To Make Right Winger's Happy?

[chikenwing]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

Why would they need to pay up front if they have insurance? Or are you suggesting that your opt out system would make insurance companies forcibly drop everyone who doesn't opt in? You're not making much sense with your hyperbole situation.

However, even then I would only support it if I could also opt out of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and any other government programs that are supposedly for my own good.

Those that currently have insurance are not affected by the ACA. This is for those that currently do not have insurance, and refuse to get it.

How about the ones that just flat out can't afford the costs?? And your 1st premise is al wet,there will be many affected that currently have insurance.

 

[Stephanie]

I hope all them college kids who voted for Obama like him now that he is going to FORCE them to buy insurance they wouldn't likely use, and like the fact they are now called, FREELOADERS

But hey, vote for him again eh

 

[Nova78]

How about an opt-out clause for Obama...

 

[Stephanie]

How about an opt-out clause for Obama...

I like that one the best..

LETS make it happen

 

[Contumacious]

Just like Mitt recognized in MA, you cannot allow people to opt out when you are putting such expenses onto the for profit health care industry. n.

Exactly.

Remind us again how Benedict Roberts abolished the Thirteenth Amendment.

It used to read:


Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]


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[Wacky Quacky]

Ahh but the question has become one of is for profit healtchare pricing itself out of the market?
How much longer can we afford double digit health care annual cost increases?

Take that up with doctors, nurses, and the hospital board. Insurance is a necessary evil because health care costs so much, not the other way around.

The right way to do it, which btw isn't going to happen so this is just musing,

is to get insurance out of the healthcare business in all but catastrophic coverage.

I agree, but it would also require americans to actually care about their health and utilize preventive care. We're still going in the wrong direction on that front.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Just like Mitt recognized in MA, you cannot allow people to opt out when you are putting such expenses onto the for profit health care industry. n.

Exactly.

Remind us again how Benedict Roberts abolished the Thirteenth Amendment.

It used to read:


Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[2]


.

You're just now complaining about this? Roberts didn't do anything new. Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other "mandatory" programs have been around a lot longer than obamacare.

 

[g5000]

I think a better plan is to deny a high school dropout any government handouts. No free healthcare, no welfare, no food stamps.

That will take care of one third of the uninsured problem.

Another third of the uninsured are immigrants.

40 percent of the uninsured are people who did not work in the past year. So the obvious solution to that problem is to create jobs. It also means that the people who are uninsured today are not the same people who were uninsured yesterday.

The ACA does not bend the cost curve down, and it does not address any of the root causes of the uninsured problem.

Simple facts.

Nobody cares. Stick to the topic or start your own thread.

Your OP is based on a strawman fallacy and a false premise. Sorry to have destroyed it and made your butt hurt. Now pull your head out of it.

Without the mandate, the rest of the ACA implodes. This is common knowledge, except to you obviously. So the bullshit false premise of yours that the mandate is to get the voluntarily uninsured to pay for their future healthcare is just that, bullshit. It is there to prop up the rest of the ACA, today.

 

[Black_Label]

How about the ones that just flat out can't afford the costs?? And your 1st premise is al wet,there will be many affected that currently have insurance.

If you can not afford health insurance, a basic plan will be provided for you under the ACA.

Your OP is based on a strawman fallacy and a false premise. Sorry to have destroyed it and made your butt hurt. Now pull your head out of it.

Without the mandate, the rest of the ACA implodes. This is common knowledge, except to you obviously. So the bullshit false premise of yours that the mandate is to get the voluntarily uninsured to pay for their future healthcare is just that, bullshit. It is there to prop up the rest of the ACA, today.

The only thing you have done is thrown a pissy fit like the rest of the right wing trash does when they aren't allowed to freeload anymore.

The whole point of the individual mandate is to stop the freeloaders that use ER's for walk in clinics, raking up massive bills, then stiffing those that actually have insurance to pay for them with higher premiums.
Making everyone carry their own weight and not mooching off of others I thought was what your right wingers cry about all the time?

With the opt out would it be the same as there would be no mooching off of others. You must pay cash up front and if you can't afford it, you get shown the door.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

 

[Black_Label]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

It would work in the same way like as an organ donor, there will be a checked box on the back of your driver's license stating you are an "opt out"
which will also have the name and numbers of at least three emergency contacts. It will be the responsibility of the person to "carry their papers" everywhere they go with their most current bank statement, as well as the contacts.

If you are say in a horrible car crash, ID is lost, etc,..you will be granted care as if you were fully insured. Once they are identified and/or conscious it will be their responsibility to show them their bank statement and from there if the current treatment has exceeded their funds, treatment will stop unless they have a friend or family member immediately pay to continue treatment.
If you can not pay, you will be discharged.

Also in this circumstance the medical bills can not be "written off" nor will they go away with bankruptcy. They will be required to pay back the medical services with docked pay, leans on property etc,..

 

[Black_Label]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

Because as we all know...it's right wingers that don't have health insurance and freeload off the rest of hard working Americans! (eye-roll)

You're going to have to get your talking points straight here, Black Label! According to progressives we've been told that right wingers are all millionaires who prey on the weak and defenseless poor. They don't NEED health insurance because they have SO much money they can afford whatever health care they desire. So which is it? Freeloaders or Millionaires? Get your story straight...

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

It would work in the same way like as an organ donor, there will be a checked box on the back of your driver's license stating you are an "opt out"
which will also have the name and numbers of at least three emergency contacts. It will be the responsibility of the person to "carry their papers" everywhere they go with their most current bank statement, as well as the contacts.

If you are say in a horrible car crash, ID is lost, etc,..you will be granted care as if you were fully insured. Once they are identified and/or conscious it will be their responsibility to show them their bank statement and from there if the current treatment has exceeded their funds, treatment will stop unless they have a friend or family member immediately pay to continue treatment.
If you can not pay, you will be discharged.

So best to leave your ID at home then.

 

[Black_Label]

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

It would work in the same way like as an organ donor, there will be a checked box on the back of your driver's license stating you are an "opt out"
which will also have the name and numbers of at least three emergency contacts. It will be the responsibility of the person to "carry their papers" everywhere they go with their most current bank statement, as well as the contacts.

If you are say in a horrible car crash, ID is lost, etc,..you will be granted care as if you were fully insured. Once they are identified and/or conscious it will be their responsibility to show them their bank statement and from there if the current treatment has exceeded their funds, treatment will stop unless they have a friend or family member immediately pay to continue treatment.
If you can not pay, you will be discharged.

So best to leave your ID at home then.

This would only apply if you are in a serious, truly "emergency" situation (terrible car crash where you are unconscious etc,..) not to mention it's illegal to drive without having your license on you in the first place. If you can go into an ER under your own power, no pay = no service.

 

[P@triot]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

Sounds very fair. In fact, I'll do you one better. Return all of my money with interest, and I will opt out of Social Security. I'll burn my card and I will be eligible for ZERO assitance from the government.

By the way, only the idiot liberals could go around crying about the wealth and advantages the conservatives have, and then in the next breath try to make the case that it's the conservatives that don't carry health insurance. Which is it - we're either the "evil", "greedy" rich people who have everything or we're the poor moochers who live off of others.

I think history has shown that the left is the party of moochers and liars, while the right is the party of small constitutional government and freedoms.

 

[P@triot]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

Says the party of the parasite class who lives off of the conservatives...

 

[g5000]

The whole point of the individual mandate is to stop the freeloaders that use ER's for walk in clinics, raking up massive bills, then stiffing those that actually have insurance to pay for them with higher premiums.

Wrong. The purpose is to offset the cost of forcing insurance companies to carry people with pre-existing conditions, idiot.

That's why the issue of severability was raised with the mandate. Everyone but you knows that without the mandate the ACA collapses.

Without the voluntarily uninsured being forced into the pool, the addition of all those people with pre-existing conditions into the insurance pool would cause everyone's premiums to skyrocket.

They need the money and the good health of the voluntarily uninsured to offset the cost of taking care of the pre-existing condition sick people.

How many years has it been and you still don't know this?

 

[P@triot]

Few things are funnier than the irony that the idiot liberal is incapable of seeing. They create the problem with a government mandate. When that fails, they create a new government mandate to help hold up the original failing mandate. When that fails, the create another one and so on.... (lather, rinse, repeat).

As always, that is the case with healthcare here. They are actually calling conservatives "irresponsible" in a made up scenario where we are allowed to opt out of Obamacare, despite the fact that we are the one who are insured (remember, the asshole liberals here screaming how it's so easy for us to fight this bill because we have the luxury of being insured ). They try so desperately to demonize the right, they forget what they previously said and they contradict themselves (that's the problem with a web of lies).

But here's the thing - the idiot liberals created this mess when they mandated that a person must be treated at a hospital, regardless of their ability to pay. Well, since hospitals had that cost, it was either collapse under the weight of it, or pass it on to the paying consumers. Of course, since each of us is paying for 2 or 3 people who are not insured but are "entitled" to the care anyway, healthcare costs have skyrocketed. So what do the liberals do? They bitch about the cost and create Obamacare to artificially prop up the failure of their first decision.

God almighty, these people are a cancer that do nothing but create failure after failure after failure, all while trying to justify it with lies that just come back and bite them in the ass

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.

Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.

They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?

What happens if I show up at the emergency room without ID and without consciousness? The hospital won't be able to determine if I'm a moronic opt-out right winger or a normal responsible person.

Says the party of the parasite class who lives off of the conservatives...

I pay my own bills. Sorry to not conform to your narrow ideological stereotype that you got from FOX News or ROOOSH

 

[g5000]

There is also the matter of freedom and liberty. This is a principle which sails miles over the head of people who want the state to control us.

If someone is voluntarily uninsured, it is a violation of personal liberty to force them to buy a commercial product.

If someone is voluntarily uninsured, and they get sick, they should pay the consquences of their foolishness.

I also believe that if you drop out of high school, you should NEVER receive any government benefits like welfare, food stamps, or free healthcare.

One third of those who are uninsured dropped out of high school. But do we hold them accountable? No. The Democrats decided someone else should pay a penalty instead!

It does not get more fucked up than that.