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Why would they need to pay up front if they have insurance? Or are you suggesting that your opt out system would make insurance companies forcibly drop everyone who doesn't opt in? You're not making much sense with your hyperbole situation.
However, even then I would only support it if I could also opt out of social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and any other government programs that are supposedly for my own good.
Those that currently have insurance are not affected by the ACA. This is for those that currently do not have insurance, and refuse to get it.
Ah, now I see where you're going with this. I think it would be up to the doctors to work out an arrangement.
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obamacare is a ponzi scheme..... deal with it.
I think a better plan is to deny a high school dropout any government handouts. No free healthcare, no welfare, no food stamps.
That will take care of one third of the uninsured problem.
Another third of the uninsured are immigrants.
40 percent of the uninsured are people who did not work in the past year. So the obvious solution to that problem is to create jobs. It also means that the people who are uninsured today are not the same people who were uninsured yesterday.
The ACA does not bend the cost curve down, and it does not address any of the root causes of the uninsured problem.
Simple facts.
I don't see why you right wingers are deflecting and going nuts, it's pretty simple.
If you currently have health care = you are not effected.
If you currently don't have heathcare, but you will under the ACA = you are not effected.
If you currently don't have healthcare, and feel you "need to stick it to da libs" you can opt out with the conditions in the OP.
If you currently have health care = you are not effected.
Sounds fair.Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of and ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
How about an opt IN. If you want obamacare....want to take advantage of it..... PAY for it.
That's the point of the ACA. The freeloaders need to stop mooching off of others and get their own healthcare insurance, and if they keep pissing about growing up as it's against their "freedom", then they can agree to the "opt out" clause as stated above.
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
Theres no making conservatives happy, they love being miserable.
I suspect you have credible detailed facts to back that up?
yeah.. its called how you work a ponzi scheme...... obamacare is nothing different.
Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?
Social Security Online - HISTORY, Ponzi Schemes vs. Social Security
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
yeah.. its called how you work a ponzi scheme...... obamacare is nothing different.
Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?
Social Security Online - HISTORY, Ponzi Schemes vs. Social Security
Yes, it's a scheme like Social Security where the new members pay for the returns of the previous members.
yeah.. its called how you work a ponzi scheme...... obamacare is nothing different.
Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?
Social Security Online - HISTORY, Ponzi Schemes vs. Social Security
Yes, it's a scheme like Social Security where the new members pay for the returns of the previous members.
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is?
Social Security Online - HISTORY, Ponzi Schemes vs. Social Security
Yes, it's a scheme like Social Security where the new members pay for the returns of the previous members.
Funny that the asinine chart that was posted said nothing about this whatsoever. The heart of ponzi scheme IS the fact you posted and is EXACTLY what SS does. I fail to see why this is such a hard concept to understand.
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
The first thing is to recognize there is NO crisis necessitating Obamacare!
There are after subtracting from the supposedly 47 million "uninsured"
- 10 million that are NOT citizens
- 14 million that ARE covered by Medicaid but told pollster they were uninsured!
- 17.5 million under age 34,make over $50,000 and pay out of pocket health costs
rather then premiums
Ever since the affordable care act was passed, the right wingers have been going into a complete rampage over having to actually grow up and get health insurance, instead of just freeloading off the rest of the hard working americans.
Now to shut them up and for them to keep their "freedom", should there be an opt-out clause? By signing an opt out wavier, this would mean an up front payment for all medical services. If they require expensive treatment, this will all be need to be paid up front (cash, no credit or loans would be applicable) and the same with a 911 call or emergency.
They would have to "carry their papers" such as a bank statement with a debit card or credit card (no checks) to cover the likely $600 ambulance ride, plus $1,000 to walk in the door of an ER. From there the care would be only administered by how much funds they have available. Run out, then you get a wheel chair ride to the curb, no matter how sick. Sound fair?
The first thing is to recognize there is NO crisis necessitating Obamacare!
There are after subtracting from the supposedly 47 million "uninsured"
- 10 million that are NOT citizens
- 14 million that ARE covered by Medicaid but told pollster they were uninsured!
- 17.5 million under age 34,make over $50,000 and pay out of pocket health costs
rather then premiums
So based on your numbers, which I will accept only for sake of this argument, how many Americans are actually subject to the mandate tax?
Ahh but the question has become one of is for profit healtchare pricing itself out of the market?
How much longer can we afford double digit health care annual cost increases?
Take that up with doctors, nurses, and the hospital board. Insurance is a necessary evil because health care costs so much, not the other way around.
The first thing is to recognize there is NO crisis necessitating Obamacare!
There are after subtracting from the supposedly 47 million "uninsured"
- 10 million that are NOT citizens
- 14 million that ARE covered by Medicaid but told pollster they were uninsured!
- 17.5 million under age 34,make over $50,000 and pay out of pocket health costs
rather then premiums
So based on your numbers, which I will accept only for sake of this argument, how many Americans are actually subject to the mandate tax?
When will you get it through your head that the 'mandate tax' isn't the fucking problem, it's the REST of the taxes that are the problem.
That and the fact that this massive new bureaucracy doesn't do a damned thing to LOWER either medical or insurance costs, it only makes them HIGHER.
If you don't believe me, what the fuck are the 16,000 new IRS agents for, hmmm?
So based on your numbers, which I will accept only for sake of this argument, how many Americans are actually subject to the mandate tax?
When will you get it through your head that the 'mandate tax' isn't the fucking problem, it's the REST of the taxes that are the problem.
That and the fact that this massive new bureaucracy doesn't do a damned thing to LOWER either medical or insurance costs, it only makes them HIGHER.
If you don't believe me, what the fuck are the 16,000 new IRS agents for, hmmm?
You haven't been listening to your idiot friends on the right then since the mandate was declared a tax...
...THAT is exactly the moment this 'massive tax increase' hysteria began.
Go argue with your pals. Go tell them what I've been telling them for a week and they refuse to acknowledge is true,
that the mandate tax won't be paid by 99% of Americans.
