should the rich be forced to pay more so us in the middle class can pay less?

[Remodeling Maidiac]

you were the one bitching about a one time fee of 3.5% and how it will affect your business... which was your motivation for this thread... it's very obvious. BTW... that proposal is for people who make over $1M in Personal Income. That's not business income. Like I said... if that causes you to fold.... then you have a fucked up business model.

Be that as it may... I did vote NO, because I don't give a shit whether I get a FICA break or not. I'd rather have my money go into my SS account... you know... pay my way... take responsibility and all of that?

nice try on the deflection. I think I was pretty clear that corporate tax rates contribute to businesses leaving. And if treated similarly I'd ditch this bitch too.

Really? The Corporate Tax Rate(35%) is the same as it's been since 1992. and other than a few years at 34%, it's been much higher in the past. That dog won't hunt with me.

You made my point for me but your too dense to see it. Do tell, how long have we been bleeding jobs overseas?

Cause/effect? No?

 

[SFC Ollie]

Why did the steel mills close down?

 

[Cowman]

The poll is rigged. I don't want the rich to pay more so I can pay less. I want the rich to pay more so the rich can pay more.

 

[Steelplate]

nice try on the deflection. I think I was pretty clear that corporate tax rates contribute to businesses leaving. And if treated similarly I'd ditch this bitch too.

Really? The Corporate Tax Rate(35%) is the same as it's been since 1992. and other than a few years at 34%, it's been much higher in the past. That dog won't hunt with me.

You made my point for me but your too dense to see it. Do tell, how long have we been bleeding jobs overseas?

Cause/effect? No?

I know in you fantasy world, you think it's about taxes... let's try this on for size....

Slave labor.....(I'll let that sink in for a minute).....Free Trade Agreements(No Tariffs)..... Re-investing the profits abroad to Evade taxes.

Need more time?......Ok... that's enough.

But yeah... it's all about a few percentage points in Federal Taxes.... Bullshit... it's about a money grab and YOU know it. They Fucked this country and the GOP and your "Conservative" buddies held their hand the whole time.

 

[Contumacious]

should the rich be forced to pay more so us in the middle class can pay less?

Of course they should . That works all the time. Look . for example, at Cuba. There, going after the rich paid off handsomely. Now everyone is poor. Except Fidel and members of the politburo. But you got have got to make some exemptions, right.

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[RDD_1210]

you were the one bitching about a one time fee of 3.5% and how it will affect your business... which was your motivation for this thread... it's very obvious. BTW... that proposal is for people who make over $1M in Personal Income. That's not business income. Like I said... if that causes you to fold.... then you have a fucked up business model.

Be that as it may... I did vote NO, because I don't give a shit whether I get a FICA break or not. I'd rather have my money go into my SS account... you know... pay my way... take responsibility and all of that?

nice try on the deflection. I think I was pretty clear that corporate tax rates contribute to businesses leaving. And if treated similarly I'd ditch this bitch too.

So what period of time were the corporate tax rates lower? How many jobs were being created then?

Flat out ignoring this for some reason?

 

[Steelplate]

your sigline is wrong... actually it's right to credit Marx.

But he stole and bastardized that from the Socialist ideology of....

From Each, according to their ability.... To Each, according to their CONTRIBUTION.

You see... The Socialists believed that every person MUST CONTRIBUTE to benefit from society. Something I am in agreement with.... that's why I believe in having people work for welfare benefits if they fall on hard times... kind of like the CCC during the FDR years.

Now... am I a Socialist? Not really. I believe in Capitalism... just not unregulated Capitalism.

 

[Zoom]

Seems like pure theft to me. What say you?

Edit: This poll is in relation to the Democratic proposal in the Senate to pay for a middle class tax cut with a surcharge on the rich. Since most of us probably aren't rich I think I worded the poll correctly as most of us would benefit from this proposal.

Nope, the poor and middle class should pay more so the rich can stay rich. Trickle down worked so well.

 

[Zoom]

Why did the steel mills close down?

Because the super rich made it so we dont make anything here. Everything shifted overseas because you see, the rich can get richer due to slave labor. Well, not exactly slave, but far far cheaper wages than what they paid here.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

nice try on the deflection. I think I was pretty clear that corporate tax rates contribute to businesses leaving. And if treated similarly I'd ditch this bitch too.

So what period of time were the corporate tax rates lower? How many jobs were being created then?

Flat out ignoring this for some reason?

I answered. But like a good little lib you see and hear what you want.

 

[RDD_1210]

So what period of time were the corporate tax rates lower? How many jobs were being created then?

Flat out ignoring this for some reason?

I answered. But like a good little lib you see and hear what you want.

C'mon. Act like an adult already. You never answered shit and we both know it.

Link me to the exact post which answers my question. I asked what period of time had a lower corporate tax rate and what was the job growth rate at that time.

 

[rdean]

Seems like pure theft to me. What say you?

Edit: This poll is in relation to the Democratic proposal in the Senate to pay for a middle class tax cut with a surcharge on the rich. Since most of us probably aren't rich I think I worded the poll correctly as most of us would benefit from this proposal.

The roads they use, the schools from where they get workers, the power they use, the water they use, everything they use came from the hard work and taxes of the middle class. The country they keep their money in is protected by young men and women from the middle class. Only an ignorant and totally brainwashed idiot moron could possibly believe someone got rich all on their own. Only a tard could possibly think they shouldn't have to return some of that money as an "investment" so others can have the chance to one day get rich. Only a total creep dickwadd fart sniffer could think that Americans helping Americans is socialism and a "bad thing".

Are you a "fart sniffer"?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Flat out ignoring this for some reason?

I answered. But like a good little lib you see and hear what you want.

C'mon. Act like an adult already. You never answered shit and we both know it.

Link me to the exact post which answers my question. I asked what period of time had a lower corporate tax rate and what was the job growth rate at that time.

I don't know how to link specific posts. Wish I did. I addressed the job loss vs tax question on number 81. Ever since we became a global economy we have been bleeding jobs overseas. It's time we survived off the revenue generated by the products and employees and stopped taxing the creators. Unless of course we don't care about trying to compete in this global economy. We can't compete with shit overseas wages but we can try by lowering or eliminating the corporate tax rate along with regulations that stiefel growth in corporate America.

Or we can stick our heads in the sand, blame republicans and the rich. All the while NOTHING changes.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Seems like pure theft to me. What say you?

Edit: This poll is in relation to the Democratic proposal in the Senate to pay for a middle class tax cut with a surcharge on the rich. Since most of us probably aren't rich I think I worded the poll correctly as most of us would benefit from this proposal.

The roads they use, the schools from where they get workers, the power they use, the water they use, everything they use came from the hard work and taxes of the middle class. The country they keep their money in is protected by young men and women from the middle class. Only an ignorant and totally brainwashed idiot moron could possibly believe someone got rich all on their own. Only a tard could possibly think they shouldn't have to return some of that money as an "investment" so others can have the chance to one day get rich. Only a total creep dickwadd fart sniffer could think that Americans helping Americans is socialism and a "bad thing".

Are you a "fart sniffer"?

Are you a fudge packer?

Fuck off twit

 

[RDD_1210]

I answered. But like a good little lib you see and hear what you want.

C'mon. Act like an adult already. You never answered shit and we both know it.

Link me to the exact post which answers my question. I asked what period of time had a lower corporate tax rate and what was the job growth rate at that time.

I don't know how to link specific posts. Wish I did. I addressed the job loss vs tax question on number 81. Ever since we became a global economy we have been bleeding jobs overseas. It's time we survived off the revenue generated by the products and employees and stopped taxing the creators. Unless of course we don't care about trying to compete in this global economy. We can't compete with shit overseas wages but we can try by lowering or eliminating the corporate tax rate along with regulations that stiefel growth in corporate America.

Or we can stick our heads in the sand, blame republicans and the rich. All the while NOTHING changes.

Click "permalink" at the top right of the post you want to get the URL for and then copy the URL in the address bar.

And post 81 doesn't answer my question and you know it. Just be a man for once and admit that decreasing corporate tax rates is just as theory and that you actually have no evidence that it would do anything positive because you can't point to an example of a time with lower corporate rates and subsequent job growth.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

C'mon. Act like an adult already. You never answered shit and we both know it.

Link me to the exact post which answers my question. I asked what period of time had a lower corporate tax rate and what was the job growth rate at that time.

I don't know how to link specific posts. Wish I did. I addressed the job loss vs tax question on number 81. Ever since we became a global economy we have been bleeding jobs overseas. It's time we survived off the revenue generated by the products and employees and stopped taxing the creators. Unless of course we don't care about trying to compete in this global economy. We can't compete with shit overseas wages but we can try by lowering or eliminating the corporate tax rate along with regulations that stiefel growth in corporate America.

Or we can stick our heads in the sand, blame republicans and the rich. All the while NOTHING changes.

Click "permalink" at the top right of the post you want to get the URL for and then copy the URL in the address bar.

And post 81 doesn't answer my question and you know it. Just be a man for once and admit that decreasing corporate tax rates is just as theory and that you actually have no evidence that it would do anything positive because you can't point to an example of a time with lower corporate rates and subsequent job growth.

I never claimed it was the solution idiot. I said its a start if we want to compete on a global scale. All the jobs in the world can come home but unless we drive down corporate costs to compete on a global scale we will continue to buy Chinese shit.

It's not rocket science.

And by the way I gave you an ernest answer to a very complex problem. My best shot at a start to a solution. And you neg me for not having all the answers?

Fuck off, were done.

 

[RDD_1210]

I don't know how to link specific posts. Wish I did. I addressed the job loss vs tax question on number 81. Ever since we became a global economy we have been bleeding jobs overseas. It's time we survived off the revenue generated by the products and employees and stopped taxing the creators. Unless of course we don't care about trying to compete in this global economy. We can't compete with shit overseas wages but we can try by lowering or eliminating the corporate tax rate along with regulations that stiefel growth in corporate America.

Or we can stick our heads in the sand, blame republicans and the rich. All the while NOTHING changes.

Click "permalink" at the top right of the post you want to get the URL for and then copy the URL in the address bar.

And post 81 doesn't answer my question and you know it. Just be a man for once and admit that decreasing corporate tax rates is just as theory and that you actually have no evidence that it would do anything positive because you can't point to an example of a time with lower corporate rates and subsequent job growth.

I never claimed it was the solution idiot. I said its a start if we want to compete on a global scale. All the jobs in the world can come home but unless we drive down corporate costs to compete on a global scale we will continue to buy Chinese shit.

It's not rocket science.

And by the way I gave you an ernest answer to a very complex problem. My best shot at a start to a solution. And you neg me for not having all the answers?

Fuck off, were done.

I negged you for ignoring me and then acting like you didn't. We can't be done...how can we be done when we never started? You decided to never start when you repeatedly ignored my question.

You're as much a partisan hack as anyone on this site. You're no better than the deadbeats on welfare who love to complain that its someone elses fault. You want to blame everyone but yourself if your business can't do well. You have no actual proof for the bullshit claims you make and that's why you can't answer my question. You're a hack, and will always be a hack. I thought you might have been able to have a reasonable discussion but you made it very clear that is not what you're here to do.

 

[candycorn]

you and steelplate are so fucking ignorant. Who cares about my tiny operation? The vast majority of Americans you nitwit. At my highpoint I had 9 crews each consisting of about 3 to 4 employees. On top of that I employ through my services many other service professionals and suppliers.

MY COMPANY AND OTHERS LIKE ME SUPPORT THE CORE OF THIS COUNTRY. But you too fucking stuck on your god damn talking points to see that. And as far as big corporations leaving...... Fucking tax me at those ridiculous rates and watch me sell out or go under.

Fucking uninformed idiots. It says so on this piece of paper so it must be accurate?! Morons

Real life applications don't fit in your little liberal boxes you've built.

No... you're too fucking stupid to realize that things like health care are prohibiting your small business from becoming stronger. Imagine if... for the cost of a percentage point or two, that you didn't have to pay for your employees' health insurance(if you do) and you could either use that extra money to expand your business, pay your workers a little more, or just plain hoard it.

BTW... what ridiculous rates? The only thing I've seen so far is to let the Bush Tax cuts expire. if 4% on your personal income is going to force you to sell out or fold... perhaps it's your business model that is the problem.

EDIT: furthermore... what's the difference between some "liberals" taxing you a little more, or you trying to fuck me out of my job, my pension and the SS and Medicare System that I've been paying into for 32 years? Fuck off.

Insurance benefits are gone as Obama care has driven the premiums through the roof. Wanna hear one better than that? Most of my employees are also gone thanks to Obama not being able to handle this crisis correctly. Two fucking years he whored out over healthcare. Meanwhile small businesses like mine and the employees they employed are gone. But for fucks sake let's carry on and on about your retirement that will still be there for you despite all the small businesses and countless millions that have nothing now because of blind ideology.

Idiot

Sounds like someone is peeing on his feet again.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Click "permalink" at the top right of the post you want to get the URL for and then copy the URL in the address bar.

And post 81 doesn't answer my question and you know it. Just be a man for once and admit that decreasing corporate tax rates is just as theory and that you actually have no evidence that it would do anything positive because you can't point to an example of a time with lower corporate rates and subsequent job growth.

I never claimed it was the solution idiot. I said its a start if we want to compete on a global scale. All the jobs in the world can come home but unless we drive down corporate costs to compete on a global scale we will continue to buy Chinese shit.

It's not rocket science.

And by the way I gave you an ernest answer to a very complex problem. My best shot at a start to a solution. And you neg me for not having all the answers?

Fuck off, were done.

I negged you for ignoring me and then acting like you didn't. We can't be done...how can we be done when we never started? You decided to never start when you repeatedly ignored my question.

You're as much a partisan hack as anyone on this site. You're no better than the deadbeats on welfare who love to complain that its someone elses fault. You want to blame everyone but yourself if your business can't do well. You have no actual proof for the bullshit claims you make and that's why you can't answer my question. You're a hack, and will always be a hack. I thought you might have been able to have a reasonable discussion but you made it very clear that is not what you're here to do.

BULLSHIT. I answered. You claimed I didn't so I answered again WITH more detail. You just didn't like my answer. Plain and simple. Which is fine but to act like a child and neg because you didn't like my answer is as pathetic as bdboops everyday posts.

Suck it you liberal leech.

 

[RDD_1210]

I never claimed it was the solution idiot. I said its a start if we want to compete on a global scale. All the jobs in the world can come home but unless we drive down corporate costs to compete on a global scale we will continue to buy Chinese shit.

It's not rocket science.

And by the way I gave you an ernest answer to a very complex problem. My best shot at a start to a solution. And you neg me for not having all the answers?

Fuck off, were done.

I negged you for ignoring me and then acting like you didn't. We can't be done...how can we be done when we never started? You decided to never start when you repeatedly ignored my question.

You're as much a partisan hack as anyone on this site. You're no better than the deadbeats on welfare who love to complain that its someone elses fault. You want to blame everyone but yourself if your business can't do well. You have no actual proof for the bullshit claims you make and that's why you can't answer my question. You're a hack, and will always be a hack. I thought you might have been able to have a reasonable discussion but you made it very clear that is not what you're here to do.

BULLSHIT. I answered. You claimed I didn't so I answered again WITH more detail. You just didn't like my answer. Plain and simple. Which is fine but to act like a child and neg because you didn't like my answer is as pathetic as bdboops everyday posts.

Suck it you liberal leech.

I showed you how to link to the actual post which answers my question. I know you have trouble with difficult concepts like how to work an internet message board but I gave you step by step instructions. You'd think even a washed up con with a failing business could at least follow simple instructions. Guess not.

When you link me to the post where you responded to MY question I'll apologize, but until then you'll continue to look like the bitch that you are. Pathetic.