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We have examples of how our govt would not be able to manage something this large.
Are you going to answer my question? Is it just OUR government? Is the U.S. government uniquely incompetent, so that it would make a hash of a single-payer health-care program, when foreign governments do just fine with it?
If so, what the hell is wrong with us?
Yeah right i'm not going to put you on ignore, you are too fun to easily disprove with facts.
It is just very telling that you have no valid argument against my responses, if you did you wouldn't have to remove the entire context of my argument to try and "make a point"
How would you know until you' try?
Not as long as it is being mismanaged, sorry.
If other governments do fine with a single-payer system, why would ours mismanage one? Is there some reason why the U.S. government is uniquely incompetent, compared to foreign governments?
We have examples of how our govt would not be able to manage something this large.
Look at the smaller medicare program
Look at the social security program
look at the post office
Look at amtrack
Hell look at Obama's "Budget" that just got voted down......see all that added debt in it? So many real world, factual examples, from our own government.
Should we talk about how anti-trust laws would prohibit one "company" from running all our healthcare like they do with every other industry?
You are Wrong. PM a Moderator or Administrator, for Clarification.
I already answered your question
If You alter the meaning of a Quote, it is more than poor form. It is against the Rules.
It's actually not (I read them to check the first time someone brought that up), but in any case I never do alter the meaning of a quote.
I always remove superfluous rhetoric and personal insults, as they have no significance. I often remove "padding" that merely restates in more words the core statement that I quote and respond to. If a structure of argument hinges on one core point, I will sometimes quote and reply to that one core point and let the rest fall by implication if I succeed in refuting that point. And that's it.
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You are Wrong. PM a Moderator or Administrator, for Clarification.
[Shrug] if I hear from a moderator or admin that I can't cut a post down to size when responding to it, I will simply delete my account and leave this board.
Until then, I will do as I think best.
I already answered your question
You already answered why the U.S. government is uniquely incompetent? That did escape me. Can you point to it, please?
I already answered your question, if you left the context of the discussion in you would have known this LOL. This is only about our government, the health care bill and our health care industry. You choose to try and use a red herring of europe to prove your "point" but your dishonesty in this discussion is transparant.
You already answered why the U.S. government is uniquely incompetent? That did escape me. Can you point to it, please?
it doesn't bother me when someone makes themselves look dishonest by removing the context of a discussion to prove their point
I just like to point it out.
It's actually not (I read them to check the first time someone brought that up), but in any case I never do alter the meaning of a quote.
I always remove superfluous rhetoric and personal insults, as they have no significance. I often remove "padding" that merely restates in more words the core statement that I quote and respond to. If a structure of argument hinges on one core point, I will sometimes quote and reply to that one core point and let the rest fall by implication if I succeed in refuting that point. And that's it.
You are Wrong. PM a Moderator or Administrator, for Clarification.
But intense, you used to be a moderator how could you know this?
If it really bothered me I'd use the red report flag but it doesn't bother me when someone makes themselves look dishonest by removing the context of a discussion to prove their point
I just like to point it out.
I just think it Bad form to play with Posts. 1 click, and you have the whole post in original context, why the need to play with that? Nobody appreciates being misquoted.
If you provide the full context of my response you would see your answer
Excellent point, look at how overbudget medicare is. We have to borrow money from china just to pay for it already.
Thanks for giving me a 3rd piece of ammunition for that specific argument!
EDIT: Oh and social security too
No kidding...
I'd like someone to tell me exactly which government agency is run as an efficient and well-oiled machine...
Parks and recreation.
oh, wait. they just started a forest fire.
Transportation
just kidding. the roads suck
I was in the Navy, so I know that aint it.
THE EPA Those soul sucking tyrants can fine an American out of their home and land even AFTER they have lost in court.
If you provide the full context of my response you would see your answer
No, I don't think so. All you have done is to present examples of programs which you say, without evidence, are ineptly run.
The fact remains that foreign governments run single-payer plans that work just fine. You have yet to explain why our government is so much more incompetent than the governments of Germany, Great Britain, Canada, or even (God save us) France.
Please do.
I forgot. Who insured the colonists? Who were their healthcare providers?
it doesn't bother me when someone makes themselves look dishonest by removing the context of a discussion to prove their point
I just like to point it out.
(Emphasis added.) Caring more about making an opponent LOOK dishonest than about refuting their point in reality, is itself a mark of dishonesty.
If you provide the full context of my response you would see your answer
No, I don't think so. All you have done is to present examples of programs which you say, without evidence, are ineptly run.
The fact remains that foreign governments run single-payer plans that work just fine. You have yet to explain why our government is so much more incompetent than the governments of Germany, Great Britain, Canada, or even (God save us) France.
Please do.
Some thoughts on this issue:
Too many people fail to understand that the Supreme Court is a political institution and a body of individuals who understand their place in history.
If the Court strikes down the Affordable Health care act and that decision is 5-4 it will forever stain the reputation of Chief Justice Roberts.
If the Court strikes down the Affordable Health care act it will take a generation or more for another bill to make it through the Congress and to the desk of the POTUS.
Currently, we the taxpayers, are providing health care for the uninsured. Such care is provided by public/county hospitals and emergency rooms in private for profit and non profit hospitals.
Protecting the right of the uninsured as a property interest denies those who pay taxes - local, state, federal - and purchase health care insurance of our property interest (we are forced to pay higher taxes and insurance (rates and co-pay) to subsidize the freeloaders.
