Should tax policy be “fair”?

[bripat9643]

Mug rich people? gimme a fucking break. yeah... those poor, poor rich people... they have damn near nothing, don't they?

Yeah, that's right. Progressive taxation is about mugging people simply because they have money. How can you deny it when leftist say exactly that over and over? What people have is irrelevant to the issue of "fairness."

Guess what? People near the poverty level ARE exempt.... those are those people you guys hate so much... you know... the 34, 47 or 52% of the people that "don't pay taxes"? .

The bottom 50% are well above the poverty level. Exempting a family of four with an income of 30K is one thing. Exempting individual filers who make 60K is another.

It's not the poor people's fault that they USED to be middle class but inflation, outsourcing and the out and out greed from those "poor little rich people" pushed them into poverty levels.

We aren't talking about poor people being exempt. We're talking about people earning well above the poverty line.

Furthermore, it's not the rich person's fault that someone else is poor. So why should they pay?

 

[Avatar4321]

We should all have an equal rate that is below 10%

 

[Si modo]

Apparently not. The rw's think the elderly and those who have no income should pay as much as those who are employed. Look at the answers right here in this thread. I wonder where these people think the unemployed are going to get the money to pay as much as those who are employed.

As for the rest of us, again, the rw's want a fiefdom, a plutocracy where they pay more than the 1%. As it happens, they're in luck because the GObP/pub party agrees with them.

I still say that if that's what the rw voter wants, let them over pay and leave the intelligent people to pay their FAIR SHARE.

The TP wants individual freedoms within the context of the Constitution, but .

No...the tea party thinks they want that. But the people that fund the tea party want something completely different. They want to rule with an Iron fist and they will use you "useful idiots" with words like Patriotism and Freedom, and tell you what their interpretation of the Constitution is to do their bidding.

You can read minds, too.

Gee, I wish I could.

 

[eflatminor]

If you're asking what a fair income tax rate should be, the answer is 0%. If the federal government lived within the confines of the Constitution, you know, the law of the land, there would be no need for an income tax. Sounds fair to me.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit... a flat tax is just that... a pyramid scheme... IN REVERSE.

How is a flat tax the equivalent of a pyramid scheme? Do leftists actually care what the definitions of the words they use are, or do they just apply any word that has sinister connotations to things they don't like?

it is exactly that... you just refuse to see it. With a flat tax, you are taxing the piss out of the poor's money that is used to exist and the rich get off easy.

How is that the equivalent of a pyramid scheme? Do you even know what one is?

Furthermore, the rich don't "get off easy." Obviously, your conception of "easy" is anything less than paying 100% of their income to the government.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

 

[Si modo]

The left loves to try to make legislation to make us all the same. Only fools think that is possible or even desirable.

Go jack off somewhere else douchebag...that's the equivalent of that post...

You're mad, aren't you?

So, the left wants to redistribute wealth with taxation and that isn't an attempt to legislate some equality in wealth, right?

 

[Katzndogz]

There is no rate of taxation that is fair if the result includes an unequal income. It has nothing to do with what is taxed, it's what's left after taxes. That's is why the left must fail, always.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

Who gives a shit about your opinion? Unless you can back up your position with facts and logic, why even bother to mention it? It's as meaningless as anyone else's opinion.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

So you think people should be treated differently based on the money they make rather than being treated equal before the law...

How is that at all consistant with the idea that all men are created equal?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

... it's not the rich person's fault that someone else is poor. So why should they pay?

That's not what the GObP/Repub party and voters say.

We've heard nothing from them except that allowing the ultra wealthy to keep more than their fair share is what has produced all these jobs our people enjoy. If we taxed them fairly, why we could end up with an unemployment rate of 8-9%.

Sarcasm aside, since the unfair tax code has not resulted in jobs, then, yes indeed, it IT the fault of the wealthy.

IOW, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that we don't dare tax everyone fairly because it would result in no jobs and then say that the lack of jobs is not the fault of the wealthy.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

... it's not the rich person's fault that someone else is poor. So why should they pay?

That's not what the GObP/Repub party and voters say.

We've heard nothing from them except that allowing the ultra wealthy to keep more than their fair share is what has produced all these jobs our people enjoy. If we taxed them fairly, why we could end up with an unemployment rate of 8-9%.

Sarcasm aside, since the unfair tax code has not resulted in jobs, then, yes indeed, it IT the fault of the wealthy.

IOW, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that we don't dare tax everyone fairly because it would result in no jobs and then say that the lack of jobs is not the fault of the wealthy.

 

[TheDecepticon]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

Spending as a percentage of GDP is not out of line with REAGAN.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending


Holy crap. How many people simply BELIEVE stuff that's not true.
Friggin do some MINIMUM research into your position.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

Who gives a shit about your opinion? Unless you can back up your position with facts and logic, why even bother to mention it? It's as meaningless as anyone else's opinion.

Apparently you gave enough to type your stupid as shit response ya'fuckin'moroonie. Now take a deep breath, and repeat it's just a messageboard, it's just a messageboard.....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

... it's not the rich person's fault that someone else is poor. So why should they pay?

That's not what the GObP/Repub party and voters say.

We've heard nothing from them except that allowing the ultra wealthy to keep more than their fair share is what has produced all these jobs our people enjoy. If we taxed them fairly, why we could end up with an unemployment rate of 8-9%.

Sarcasm aside, since the unfair tax code has not resulted in jobs, then, yes indeed, it IT the fault of the wealthy.

IOW, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that we don't dare tax everyone fairly because it would result in no jobs and then say that the lack of jobs is not the fault of the wealthy.

Thanks so much for reinforcing what I wrote.

A non-reply like this is sure-fire proof that its true.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That's not what the GObP/Repub party and voters say.

We've heard nothing from them except that allowing the ultra wealthy to keep more than their fair share is what has produced all these jobs our people enjoy. If we taxed them fairly, why we could end up with an unemployment rate of 8-9%.

Sarcasm aside, since the unfair tax code has not resulted in jobs, then, yes indeed, it IT the fault of the wealthy.

IOW, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that we don't dare tax everyone fairly because it would result in no jobs and then say that the lack of jobs is not the fault of the wealthy.

Thanks so much for reinforcing what I wrote.

A non-reply like this is sure-fire proof that its true.

Your post makes no fucking sense whatsoever... it's all so much silliness.

 

[bripat9643]

... it's not the rich person's fault that someone else is poor. So why should they pay?

That's not what the GObP/Repub party and voters say.

We've heard nothing from them except that allowing the ultra wealthy to keep more than their fair share is what has produced all these jobs our people enjoy. If we taxed them fairly, why we could end up with an unemployment rate of 8-9%.

Sarcasm aside, since the unfair tax code has not resulted in jobs, then, yes indeed, it IT the fault of the wealthy.

IOW, you can't have it both ways. You can't say that we don't dare tax everyone fairly because it would result in no jobs and then say that the lack of jobs is not the fault of the wealthy.

All your premises are bullshit, so there's no point responding to them.

1. It is not the fault of the wealthy that anyone is poor, except, of course, for wealthy crooks like Bernie Madoff and Jeffrey Imelt.
2. There is nothing "fair" about a progressive tax code.
3. Sending money to government means taking it away from private sector employment. That fact is indisputable.

 

[RDD_1210]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

Who gives a shit about your opinion? Unless you can back up your position with facts and logic, why even bother to mention it? It's as meaningless as anyone else's opinion.

Funny, coming from the guy who never uses facts or logic in any of the crap he posts.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

So you think people should be treated differently based on the money they make rather than being treated equal before the law...

How is that at all consistant with the idea that all men are created equal?

Yep I think people should be taxed based on their income level.

Who ever says taxes need to conform with the ideals of equality?

 

[RDD_1210]

Yes. IMHO, the progressive tax scale is fair.

The problem isn't taxes, it spending. We need to force Congress to balance the budget.

So you think people should be treated differently based on the money they make rather than being treated equal before the law...

How is that at all consistant with the idea that all men are created equal?

Everyone is treated the same under a progressive system. We both get taxed the same on our 10,000th dollar earned, we get taxed the same amount of our 100,000 dollar earned and we get taxed the same on our 1,000,000 dollar earned. Seems equal to me.