Should sex offenders be absolved from public stigma?

[Aristotle]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

 

[jwoodie]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

 

[jillian]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

anyone who has ever learned anything about pedophilia knows that it is impossible for a pedophile to keep himself under control. recidivism is almost guaranteed if they aren't imprisoned or chemically castrated.

 

[martybegan]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

anyone who has ever learned anything about pedophilia knows that it is impossible for a pedophile to keep himself under control. recidivism is almost guaranteed if they aren't imprisoned or chemically castrated.

Totally agree with the above. It also leads to the issue of current laws usually lumping the pedophilles listed above with other forms of "sex offenders." You can get situations where a 19 year old having consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend is considered similar to a flasher, a rapist or the above mentioned pedophile.

There should be no issue with stigma in society for pedophiles, as they shouldnt be let back into society. As for rapists, well you get what you sow. If the thought of the stigma of being a rapist following you through life is to tough, then dont be a rapist.

 

[freedombecki]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

1) Like WJC?
2) No

 

[High_Gravity]

Nope.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

None of them are cured, all will repeat their crimes. The real sex offenders should be locked up in a psych ward for life. The ones that peed in public and other ignorant minor crimes should be let alone.

What I disagree with is the continued harassment of these people by our system. If we refuse to change the law to properly punish them then we should not deny them places to live and work if we are going to claim they paid their debt. It is Unconstitutional how we treat them.

Change the damn law. Conviction should result in a life sentence to a psychiatric prison of sorts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

What evidence do you have that pedophilia is any different than homosexuality? If one can be cured, why not the other?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

anyone who has ever learned anything about pedophilia knows that it is impossible for a pedophile to keep himself under control. recidivism is almost guaranteed if they aren't imprisoned or chemically castrated.

Anyone who has ever learned anything about humans knows that individuals can accomplish amazing things.

 

[PaulS1950]

I will not say that noone can be "cured" but having worked with a few pedophiles I will say that they don't see that they did anything wrong. They profess "love" for their victim and feel love from them. In their mind all they did was love a person who loves them back.
It is difficult, at best, to cure someone who firmly believes that they did nothing wrong.
That is why they have to register and stay away from the age group that could become victims. Just like you they feel it is normal to share their love with one who loves them. They just happen to love kids that are too young to be able to say no.
Putting them into a mental institution is not viable. Even chemical castration is limited in its results and depends on the perpetrator taking the meds. A bit like giving a wolf a leash and teaching it that it has to put the leash on to stay away from the sheep. When the wolf gets hungry enough it will go after the sheep. It is its nature.

 

[koshergrl]

"
Detailed documentation of how Alfred Kinsey (The Kinsey reports: 1948 and 1953), a pornography-addicted, sadomasochistic, bi/homosexual pedophile propagandist was able to launch the sexual revolution, reduce sex crime penalties and sabotage American sex law.
ALEC explains how the states adopted Kinsey's bad data into law, penology and social issues, especially promoting its application in "sex education" and sex ed curricula.
More specifically, Kinseyan law "revisers" ended our American Common Law sexual controls via:

• Sex law Revision Commissions using Kinsey and his therapeutic elites as consultants
• Bar, law school journal and media articles relying on Kinsey
• Creation of the 1955 Kinsey-based American Law Institute Model Penal Code
• Redefining sexual predators as "ill" and in need of therapeutic/drug cures and early parole.

Conclusions are based on data from 30 states, focusing on six states: Missouri, Kentucky, New Jersey, Kansas, Minnesota and Georgia. For example, in Missouri revisionists redefined rape as 11 different crimes yielding more than 11 different adjudication issues and sentences.

• Rapist(s) can now plea-bargain for a substantially lesser offense (e.g., sexual misconduct or simple assault).
• In other cases, offenders simply pay a misdemeanor fine, avoiding the "sex crime" stigma.
• Like all states, to make these changes, Missouri relied on the Kinsey-based 1955 ALI Model Penal Code

Other states Law Journals cite the Kinsey Report data to:

• Legalize prostitution (Maine, 1976)
• Trivialize boy prostitution (Duke University, 1960)
• Lighten all sex crime penalties (Ohio, 1959)
• Express "beneficent concern for pedophiles" (Georgia, 1969)
• Aid molesters as children seduce men (Missouri, 1973, Tennessee, 1965)
• Reject judicial "condemnation of sex offenders" (Pennsylvania, 1952)
• Assert that 95% of males are sex offenders (Oregon, 1972)
• Reduce, eliminate most sex crime laws, including rape (Oklahoma, 1970)
• Legalize homosexuality (South Dakota, 1968)
• Legalize sodomy if 10%-37% of males have been homosexual (most journals)
• Ridicule virtue, honor, chastity as unrealistic (Playboy's Hefner; Colorado, 1967)

The massive increase in juvenile and adult sexual crime and disorder post 1950 fully identifies the painfully high costs of Kinsey's "junk science" to society."

Aristotle is campaigning to remove the stigma of child molestation with this thread.

Concerned Women for America - ALEC Exposes Kinsey's Role in Sabotaging American Law

 

[RosieS]

Pedophilia cannot be effectively treated at this time. Those who are the most dangerous need to be institutionalized. Here in FL they are housed in their own medical facility on prison grounds after their sentence is up. They can get released if two psychiatrists sign off...but that is exceedingly rare.

Lesser offenders need to be kept on strict supervised parole with the ankle bracelet and a parole officer for life or until effective drugs are proven to work.

Homosexuality is not a mental condition; hasn't been classified as such for decades. Google is a friend to the ignorant.

Regards from Rosie

 

[koshergrl]

And the *stigma* exists in order to protect children. It's hard to protect children from sexual predators if we dont' identify who those predators are.

 

[RosieS]

And the *stigma* exists in order to protect children. It's hard to protect children from sexual predators if we dont' identify who those predators are.

There is a pretty clear correlation with the amount of kiddie porn downloaded and the chances of being a kiddie raper. Normal adults don't belong to kiddie porn exchange circles.

ISP owners need to have full immunity for turning in child pornographers...both producers and consumers.

People also need to take responsibility for turning them in. If there is ANY suspicion at all....of any kind...call the abuse hotline and report anonymously. It is there to help prevent the rape of children.

Regards from Rosie

 

[Aristotle]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

Regarding the bold I think YOU may have it backwards when it comes to the idea of "remembrance." In psychotherapy, in most Alcoholics Anonymous meetings alcoholics are taught to address their addiction head on. In psychotherapy remembering who they were is not encouraged, but how far they've come. Especially when it comes to recovering alcoholics because remembering certain activities can bring about a relapse.

For example an Alcoholic is encouraged to stay away from hangout spots, or certain streets because of these memories can bring about a resurgence of a relapse. This is especially true from recovering cocaine users.

 

[syrenn]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

Should they be forgiven.... no. Should it all be swept under the carpet as if it never happened.... no. Should it ever be forgotten... no.

Its a free country....they can move to where they wish for a fresh start.

That is unless you are asking the bigger question of should there be watch lists of sexual offenders..... the answer to that is yes.

 

[Aristotle]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

anyone who has ever learned anything about pedophilia knows that it is impossible for a pedophile to keep himself under control. recidivism is almost guaranteed if they aren't imprisoned or chemically castrated.

Cognitive-behavioral therapy along with leuprolide acetate which is mostly used to treat prostate cancer and is a synthetic gonadotrophin releasing hormone, has shown promise reducing pedophilic fantasies, urges, and masturbation. Of course trial studies note that this has to be a continuing effort. You don't need to be "chemically castrated" but it does help.

 

[jillian]

I think you have it backwards: Just as recovering alcoholics admit that they are not "currently" drinking, pedophiles need to remember their addiction in order to keep it under control. That being said, the term "sex offender" is probably too broadly used in today's hypersensitive culture.

anyone who has ever learned anything about pedophilia knows that it is impossible for a pedophile to keep himself under control. recidivism is almost guaranteed if they aren't imprisoned or chemically castrated.

Totally agree with the above. It also leads to the issue of current laws usually lumping the pedophilles listed above with other forms of "sex offenders." You can get situations where a 19 year old having consensual sex with his 15 year old girlfriend is considered similar to a flasher, a rapist or the above mentioned pedophile.

There should be no issue with stigma in society for pedophiles, as they shouldnt be let back into society. As for rapists, well you get what you sow. If the thought of the stigma of being a rapist following you through life is to tough, then dont be a rapist.

i agree with all of the above. i think many, if not most, states have romeo and juliette laws which protect teenage lovers from statutory rape and other charges.

 

[Aristotle]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

Should they be forgiven.... no. Should it all be swept under the carpet as if it never happened.... no. Should it ever be forgotten... no.

Its a free country....they can move to where they wish for a fresh start.

That is unless you are asking the bigger question of should there be watch lists of sexual offenders..... the answer to that is yes.

Well then I guess you do not not subscribe to the belief of the possibility of one recovering from a severe behavioral disorder. Interesting

 

[jillian]

I'm most referring to those who suffer from pedophelia (yes its a diagnosable paychiatric disorder) those who have done both group and personal therapy who have done away (or presumably so) with their sexual interest in prepubescent children.

My question is twofold:

1) Can someone who suffers from this condition find "absolution" from society

2) If not, how can someone who is a pedophile, recover if they are constantly bombarded with the reminder of their sins?

Should they be forgiven.... no. Should it all be swept under the carpet as if it never happened.... no. Should it ever be forgotten... no.

Its a free country....they can move to where they wish for a fresh start.

That is unless you are asking the bigger question of should there be watch lists of sexual offenders..... the answer to that is yes.

Well then I guess you do not not subscribe to the belief of the possibility of one recovering from a severe behavioral disorder. Interesting

again...no one recovers from being a pedophile.

why are you sympathetic to them?