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RELIGION, definitely not. However; MORALS, VALUES, and ETHICS should most definitely be taught in schools. Mostly because they're not being taught at home anymore. Of course that would require totally changing the school systems since morals, values, and ethics don't exist anywhere in our educational system anymore, but that's a separate topic alltogether.
The "morals, values and ethics" of who? Mine, yours, the neighbors? Are my morals, values and ethics better than yours?
I distinctly remember saying (or listening to) a rather generic prayer in the morning, saying the Pledge of Allegiance, respecting the flag and respecting my elders. Nothing in these exercises hurt me, angered me, or ruined my life. There was no teaching or promotion at all of any specific religion - and we had a pretty good mix of various religions. Nobody talked about it - it was just a simple prayer to get the morning started.
The Pledge of Allegiance taught us a deep respect, pride, and love of country and those who provided us the freedoms we enjoyed back in the day (many of which are no longer available to us today).
Children were taught to respect elders - we didn't need to love or even like elders - but we were sure always polite to them. Today, we have sort of a FU mentality and attitude toward everybody.
The "morals, values and ethics" of who? Mine, yours, the neighbors? Are my morals, values and ethics better than yours?
I've amswered this before, but I'll be happy to explain it again.... I believe in a concept called "Universal Morality". It's taken from the commonalities between the morals, values, and ethics of the main successful spiritual movements, societies, and cultures throughout recorded human history.
What you end up with in doing so is a morality that is very similar to a cross between Traditional (not Modern) Western Society and Islamic Society. It would not be a very popular concept in America these days; however I believe it is what is necessary to get this country back on track before we run this train totally off the tracks.
Who decides? Government?
I distinctly remember saying (or listening to) a rather generic prayer in the morning, saying the Pledge of Allegiance, respecting the flag and respecting my elders. Nothing in these exercises hurt me, angered me, or ruined my life. There was no teaching or promotion at all of any specific religion - and we had a pretty good mix of various religions. Nobody talked about it - it was just a simple prayer to get the morning started.
The Pledge of Allegiance taught us a deep respect, pride, and love of country and those who provided us the freedoms we enjoyed back in the day (many of which are no longer available to us today).
Children were taught to respect elders - we didn't need to love or even like elders - but we were sure always polite to them. Today, we have sort of a FU mentality and attitude toward everybody.
Same here.
And the neighborhood kid that sat next to me did the same thing. He is in prison now for murdering 3 people.
Saying the pledge of allegiance and praying in school DOES NOTHING to teach morals and values to kids.
Where do you come up with this feel good nonsense?
Who decides? Government?
I think I already explained the process to you. As I said, I'm a believer in the concept of "Universal Morality". That supercedes any government, society, or religion by being the basis on which the successful governments, societies and religions have been based on in the past. I don't think that's a terribly tough concept to understand.
No religion should be promoted in public school.
All religions should be taught about and discussed. Unless we value PC instead of knowledge and critical and free thinking.
Yeah, I know.No religion should be promoted in public school.
All religions should be taught about and discussed. Unless we value PC instead of knowledge and critical and free thinking.
Been to a classroom lately. That is exactly what has happened
I mean, we can't have young children reading Catcher in the Rye. Their innocent eyes cant handle all that foul language. Maybe if we created an edited version....
Such extremes, Gadawg.The "morals, values and ethics" of who? Mine, yours, the neighbors? Are my morals, values and ethics better than yours?
I've amswered this before, but I'll be happy to explain it again.... I believe in a concept called "Universal Morality". It's taken from the commonalities between the morals, values, and ethics of the main successful spiritual movements, societies, and cultures throughout recorded human history.
What you end up with in doing so is a morality that is very similar to a cross between Traditional (not Modern) Western Society and Islamic Society. It would not be a very popular concept in America these days; however I believe it is what is necessary to get this country back on track before we run this train totally off the tracks.
Who decides?
Government?
It is not but you still have to deal with getting that to the classroom and there will be some tweaking as it goes through government and is implemented. Ultimately, if the state is teaching morality it will always be to the benefit of giving it more power and making the people more compliant. That is the rub that you cannot avoid if you want schools to take over morality.
The solution is not by taking that responsibility away from parents but rather throwing back on them. School is not there to replace parenting.
I would recommend teaching comparative religion
and conflict resolution/mediation skills. Since people
are going to run into these differences and biases in life,
why not teach students early on how to manage diversity?
Issues like school prayers at functions, how to teach evolution or
creation or even sex education, the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.
can be decided democratically by a system of input or even voting
among students and parents to come up with a fair policy that
represents the diversity of the student body and community.
I believe civics education should be required so people understand
the responsibility for due process they should respect and follow
if they want the same rights and freedoms under Constitutional laws.
ethics-commission.net
Absolutely not. That is not the point of education.
They certainly are parts of education, formal as well as informal. All of those subjects fit into a classroom, the appropriate classroom. For instance, ID would never be taught in the biology classroom. Civics education, for example, should be taught to all students. We find out that those taking the citizenship exam know far more about being an American that many, if not most, of our native-born citizens.
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I was referring to the second paragraph. The first and third make sense and are already in schools.What, exactly?
That is correct but I believe that the problem lies in the fact that the state has been taking that responsibility away for years. Slowly but surely the responsibilities of parents have been put by the wayside. From raising your child to basic sex ed even to feeding them. Some of these moves are a good thing though parents need to realize that they STILL have the responsibility for those things. Sex ed is a good example where the schools have taken a portion of that responsibility but parents have forgotten that the schools cannot cover that entirely and they still need to be involved in that portion of their education. I feel that removing even more parental responsibility is only going to further the problem.The solution is not by taking that responsibility away from parents but rather throwing back on them. School is not there to replace parenting.
I would love to agree with you, but I think we've already more than proven that the majoirty of parents in the United States are unwilling or unable to instruct their children on the basics of proper etiquette, nevermind the grander ideals of morals and values.
I am so tired of the far right agenda-driven PC nonsense, their silly political correctness, which is to take this country back to the 1950s.
However, I am strengthened that such will never happen. The far wacks don't have the votes by themselves, and the rest of the GOP will use them but not let them make policy.
I am so tired of the far right agenda-driven PC nonsense, their silly political correctness, which is to take this country back to the 1950s.
However, I am strengthened that such will never happen. The far wacks don't have the votes by themselves, and the rest of the GOP will use them but not let them make policy.
Complete lack of anything with substance. Did you have a point? Can you point to the ' right agenda-driven PC nonsense' in this thread?
