Should religion be eliminated

[keepitreal]

There is no ‘opposition to religion’ on USMB.

No one advocates for religion to be ‘eliminated.’

If it is bad as everyone says it is the logical conclusion would be to eliminate it. Right? Am I missing something?

I agree with CCJones...

There isn't an opposition to religion,
in the sense that it should be eliminated,
the opposition towards religion stems from,
others who do not want to be held to or stymied by,
the by laws, if you will, and guiding principles, of a religion.

Furthermore, people don't have a problem with religion,
they have a problem with those, who don't practice what Jesus preached
(Christianity is what I see most go off about)

Did you vote?

I'm still trying to figure out who voted yes. They are a little shy. I don't know why.

Did you vote?

I'm still trying to figure out who voted yes.
They are a little shy. I don't know why.

No, I did not vote...it's a stupid poll

They could ban religion right now,
God will still exist and I will still believe

Who cares who voted yes

 

[ding]

But you could codify it. Make them wear little crosses on their sleeves or a tattoo on their forehead so they could be treated like the second class citizens that they are.

Are you sure you didn't vote yes?

The real nut-jobs self identify anyway. Why make a big deal of it?

Why do you want to do bad things to people because of their religion? Doesn't that make you as bad as them?

Because they are bad people, right?

Gullible self-righteous whack-jobs.

But they aren't "evil" if that's what you are asking.

That have no right to breath the same air as someone like you who is their superior.

Kid, you've totally lost it

You mean you don't think you are better than them?

Surely you jest.

It's ok, you can be honest.

 

[ding]

There is no ‘opposition to religion’ on USMB.

No one advocates for religion to be ‘eliminated.’

If it is bad as everyone says it is the logical conclusion would be to eliminate it. Right? Am I missing something?

I agree with CCJones...

There isn't an opposition to religion,
in the sense that it should be eliminated,
the opposition towards religion stems from,
others who do not want to be held to or stymied by,
the by laws, if you will, and guiding principles, of a religion.

Furthermore, people don't have a problem with religion,
they have a problem with those, who don't practice what Jesus preached
(Christianity is what I see most go off about)

Did you vote?

I'm still trying to figure out who voted yes. They are a little shy. I don't know why.

Did you vote?

I'm still trying to figure out who voted yes.
They are a little shy. I don't know why.

No, I did not vote...it's a stupid poll

They could ban religion right now,
God will still exist and I will still believe

Who cares who voted yes

I kind of care who voted yes. I'm curious.

 

[Crepitus]

No, it's a question. Surely you've heard of them?

Just between you and me, I'm totally cool with you wanting to intern Christians. Those filthy Christians probably deserve it.

And now you are putting words in my mouth.

What's wrong with you?

That's only a hop skip and a jump from subordination.

You are better than them, right?

Why would you be afraid to say it if you believed it?

You are making this up as you go along.

Not if you studied history I'm not.

Before a genocide can occur, the enemy (that's people like me) must be dehumanized.

So you are half way there.

You Christian types are just desperate to be persecuted. It makes you feel self-righteous. Too bad it doesn't really happen.

 

[Crepitus]

The real nut-jobs self identify anyway. Why make a big deal of it?

Why do you want to do bad things to people because of their religion? Doesn't that make you as bad as them?

Because they are bad people, right?

Gullible self-righteous whack-jobs.

But they aren't "evil" if that's what you are asking.

That have no right to breath the same air as someone like you who is their superior.

Kid, you've totally lost it

You mean you don't think you are better than them?

Surely you jest.

It's ok, you can be honest.

Different yes, better? Who knows?

 

[ding]

Just between you and me, I'm totally cool with you wanting to intern Christians. Those filthy Christians probably deserve it.

And now you are putting words in my mouth.

What's wrong with you?

That's only a hop skip and a jump from subordination.

You are better than them, right?

Why would you be afraid to say it if you believed it?

You are making this up as you go along.

Not if you studied history I'm not.

Before a genocide can occur, the enemy (that's people like me) must be dehumanized.

So you are half way there.

You Christian types are just desperate to be persecuted. It makes you feel self-righteous. Too bad it doesn't really happen.

I agree it doesn't happen. You guys are all talk and no action.

 

[OnePercenter]

• No, but it should be taxed like any other for profit business.

You mean like unions?

Unions aren't based on superstition.

Unions provide training, healthcare, and retirement benefits for members.

 

[ding]

Because they are bad people, right?

Gullible self-righteous whack-jobs.

But they aren't "evil" if that's what you are asking.

That have no right to breath the same air as someone like you who is their superior.

Kid, you've totally lost it

You mean you don't think you are better than them?

Surely you jest.

It's ok, you can be honest.

Different yes, better? Who knows?

I do. If you think you are better you aren't.

 

[ding]

• No, but it should be taxed like any other for profit business.

You mean like unions?

Unions aren't based on superstition.

Unions provide training, healthcare, and retirement benefits for members.

I don't care. I am asking you should they be taxed like unions.

 

[keepitreal]

Nope, just be aware that they rarely practice what they preach.

That's it?

That's it. If they didn't have god to bother they might start bugging me!

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Really Ding, this is what irks people,
and what they equate to religion.

Why are you using religion to argue with posters?

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

You are using religion divisively

 

[ding]

That's it?

That's it. If they didn't have god to bother they might start bugging me!

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Really Ding, this is what irks people,
and what they equate to religion.

Why are you using religion to argue with posters?

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

You are using religion divisively

No. I am using their beliefs divisively. I am not arguing for or defending religion. I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

Not surprisingly, they back off of the statements they make in other threads.

 

[keepitreal]

Gullible self-righteous whack-jobs.

But they aren't "evil" if that's what you are asking.

That have no right to breath the same air as someone like you who is their superior.

Kid, you've totally lost it

You mean you don't think you are better than them?

Surely you jest.

It's ok, you can be honest.

Different yes, better? Who knows?

I do. If you think you are better you aren't.

I do. If you think you are better you aren't.

See...see what I mean!

The poster stated 'better?...who knows'

You state...I do...he doesn't know but, you do

Then, after he already stated, 'who knows',
you continue on with...'if you think...'

You don't know shit...you are not all that, darling

In the precious name of Jesus,
unclean spirit be still!

 

[ding]

That have no right to breath the same air as someone like you who is their superior.

Kid, you've totally lost it

You mean you don't think you are better than them?

Surely you jest.

It's ok, you can be honest.

Different yes, better? Who knows?

I do. If you think you are better you aren't.

I do. If you think you are better you aren't.

See...see what I mean!

The poster stated 'better?...who knows'

You state...I do...he doesn't know but, you do

Then, after he already stated, 'who knows',
you continue on with...'if you think...'

You don't know shit...you are not all that, darling

In the precious name of Jesus,
unclean spirit be still!

I don't think you read it properly.

If anyone thinks they are better than another they are not.

This I do know, so when I said I do, that's what I was talking about. Not that I know I am better.

You are so certain about me that you let your bias get the better of you.

 

[ding]

It's actually very similar to the dunning effect.

 

[well named]

I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

The conclusion you're suggesting is not logical, as I tried to explain before.

 

[ding]

I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

The conclusion you're suggesting is not logical, as I tried to explain before.

Only because their starting point is not logical which is why they have all walked it back. Which was why I wanted to force it to their logical conclusion.

 

[keepitreal]

That's it. If they didn't have god to bother they might start bugging me!

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Really Ding, this is what irks people,
and what they equate to religion.

Why are you using religion to argue with posters?

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

You are using religion divisively

No. I am using their beliefs divisively. I am not arguing for or defending religion. I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

Not surprisingly, they back off of the statements they make in other threads.

No. I am using their beliefs divisively. I am not arguing for or defending religion. I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

Not surprisingly, they back off of the statements they make in other thread

I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE ARGUING FOR
OR DEFENDING RELIGION!

YOU ARE USING A RIDICULOUS TOPIC,
BASED ON RELIGION, DIVISIVELY

You are using their beliefs divisively,
by your OWN admission...
Do you not realize how nuts that is?

You are using their beliefs divisively,
for satan, against God and Jesus!

YOU are more lost then they are!

Unclean spirit, Jesus rebuke you, be still!

 

[ding]

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Are you sure you don't want to abolish religion and lock up all the religious people?

Don't you believe that would make the world a better place?

Really Ding, this is what irks people,
and what they equate to religion.

Why are you using religion to argue with posters?

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

I'm not arguing for religion. I am agreeing with them and discussing the logical conclusion to their beliefs.

You are using religion divisively

No. I am using their beliefs divisively. I am not arguing for or defending religion. I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

Not surprisingly, they back off of the statements they make in other threads.

No. I am using their beliefs divisively. I am not arguing for or defending religion. I am agreeing with them that religion is evil and trying to walk them to their logical conclusion.

Not surprisingly, they back off of the statements they make in other thread

I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE ARGUING FOR
OR DEFENDING RELIGION!

YOU ARE USING A RIDICULOUS TOPIC,
BASED ON RELIGION, DIVISIVELY

You are using their beliefs divisively,
by your OWN admission...
Do you not realize how nuts that is?

You are using their beliefs divisively,
for satan, against God and Jesus!

YOU are more lost then they are!

Unclean spirit, Jesus rebuke you, be still!

No, but if that's how you want to see it, please be my guest. I have no desire to convince you otherwise.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There's quite a bit of opposition to religion here. I am just wondering how many of you people believe religion should be eliminated. It's been tried before and failed, but don't let that deter you in your quest.

Learn from their mistakes and give it another try.

Why the Soviet attempt to stamp out religion failed | Giles Fraser: Loose canon

I hate religion.

I hate how people use it as a power tool. I hate how people use it to avoid thinking about things properly. I hate how people have canned views on things that other people told them. I hate the violence, the hatred, the arrogance of it all.

However I've also met people who have benefited from religion. At the lowest level religion is fine. People often need a way of avoiding reality.

Some people do drugs, others do alcohol, other people follow sports, others have pets, others watch TV programs, others have hobbies, other do partisan politics..... there's not much difference between religion and these other ones. Drugs and alcohol are much worse than religion at the lower levels.

People are going to avoid reality. They can do it with their make belief friend in the sky or in another way.

It's not for me to tell them what to do.

If they come on here and start saying their make belief stories, I will challenge them on it. If they're trying to avoid reality, then don't come on here and try and force it on others. I will show you reality, so, avoid that if you want to avoid reality.

 

[well named]

Re: the logic of the argument, to ding... Sorry I hate trying to quote on my phone [emoji14]

No, that's wrong. You are making an argument like this:

A. If religion is bad then it ought to be eliminated
B. People who claim religion is bad are not trying to eliminate it
C. Therefore the people who claim religion is bad must not really think so.

But this is invalid. A is a non-sequitur and it is logical to hold that religion is bad but also that attempts to eliminate it would be worse. Since A is false your argument fails.