Should It Be Illegal For Teachers To Push Their Politics On Their Students?

[Montrovant]

so all private universities charge that amount?

But yes parents should be responsible for educating their children.
Is it right to expect everyone else to pay for it?
Education is an entitlement?

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

The problem I have with leaving schooling to private business (or at least the major problem) is that if schools do not make a profit, or not enough of one, they will go out of business. That then leads to people unable to educate their children, or to places where people with children will not live because there are no available schools.

If making a profit with a school is enough of a problem, education in this country, already a problem, could worsen dramatically. If schools can make a profit, but only by charging enough that those with low incomes are unable to afford schooling for their children, that would probably make it even harder than it already is for the poor to climb their way out of poverty.

I think there is a compelling interest for the government to ensure the populace is educated to a certain degree. The way things are run currently may not be the right way, but rather than throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak, I think it would be much better to attempt reform than remove government altogether.

 

[uscitizen]

so all private universities charge that amount?

But yes parents should be responsible for educating their children.
Is it right to expect everyone else to pay for it?
Education is an entitlement?

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

And the quality of our education would fall.

 

[Unkotare]

And the quality of our education would fall.

LOL! That's funny.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

And the quality of our education would fall.

The quality of computers doesn't fall as the price of computers goes down. In fact, it goes up. That's how the market works.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The quality of computers doesn't fall as the price of computers goes down. In fact, it goes up. That's how the market works.

Yes and no. The MTBF on hard disks is significantly lower today than 10 years ago. Power supplies got so bad that a rating system developed to identify a quality product. Cheap keyboards and mice will fail quickly. The computational quality has risen dramatically, but the longevity of the actual box is a fraction of what it used to be. But that doesn't matter, most computers become obsolete long before they fail.

Standard Disclaimer: If you computer is more than a half-hour old, it's obsolete.

 

[boilermaker55]

I was wondering about this. Why are teachers allowed to take a captive audience (their students) and shove their vices and their political ideology down their throats.

The students really don't have a choice but to sit there and listen to a activist teacher filling their heads full of nonsense. When the kids come home and repeat this to their parents some go nuts. Some sue. Some start home-schooling. Some meekly put up with it because they feel powerless.

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

Our kids are constantly being bombarded with nonsense. Listening to the SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare it seems that clarity is rare and common-sense is hard to find.

Can't a teacher who abuses his or her authority be guilty of a crime. Why isn't there a problem with teachers that abuse the trust they have earned to be in charge of our kids for 8 hours a day? If they're screwing up our kids can't we do anything about it?

Maybe yourdisillusionabout what is really happening in a classrooms setting.
Have you sat in a classroom and can tell that this is the truth?
Or maybe you listen to too many rightwing crybabies.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The quality of computers doesn't fall as the price of computers goes down. In fact, it goes up. That's how the market works.

Yes and no. The MTBF on hard disks is significantly lower today than 10 years ago. Power supplies got so bad that a rating system developed to identify a quality product. Cheap keyboards and mice will fail quickly. The computational quality has risen dramatically, but the longevity of the actual box is a fraction of what it used to be. But that doesn't matter, most computers become obsolete long before they fail.

Standard Disclaimer: If you computer is more than a half-hour old, it's obsolete.

I have a MacBook that I purchased in 2008. If I were to have bought a MacBook in 2011, given that they discontinued the model in 2012, I would have paid the same price for a far superior computer.

 

[paulitician]

Public Schools are a terrible mess. And the blame for that does squarely fall on the Democrats and their Teacher Unions. It's only all about the greed & indoctrination for them now. It's tragic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have a MacBook that I purchased in 2008.

I have an etchasketch that I purchased in 1980, it has more processing power..

If I were to have bought a MacBook in 2011, given that they discontinued the model in 2012, I would have paid the same price for a far superior computer.

Mac's have never been of particularly good quality; Asus, Gigabyte and Abit are premium brands, Foxcon is purely low budget. But since the early 2000's, the trend in computers is lowered component cost at the price of longevity.

As an example, the DVD drives most computers have used a glass lens up until about 2000. Then the industry switched to a mylar lens. Glass had to ground to form the lens, but lasted virtually forever. Mylar is molded, due to the intensity of the laser beam has about a 4,000 hour meantime between failure rate. About two years of average use. But molding the lens costs pennies, driving the overall cost of a DVD drive to about $20, instead of $300 - so most people don't mind replacing them. This is true of most components in computers. Even the solder that Foxcon uses on Mac motherboards has been reformulated with more lead and less silver. This cuts costs, but creates heat and significantly lowers the lifespan of said boards.

Computers are disposable, and built that way.

 

[Artevelde]

so all private universities charge that amount?

But yes parents should be responsible for educating their children.
Is it right to expect everyone else to pay for it?
Education is an entitlement?

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

You start from the premise that providing education can be a profit-making business. It isn't. And if universities went out of business nothing would replace them.

 

[BlindBoo]

Public Schools are a terrible mess. And the blame for that does squarely fall on the Democrats and their Teacher Unions. It's only all about the greed & indoctrination for them now. It's tragic.

More partisan BS, it's alway the Democrats and the Unions. The local School Boards could never be the culprit of how shitty your schools are.

Public schools in my county are just fine. We two Masters and one going for her Phd. All went to public schools.

Some public school districts are a mess. I believe it is a combination of thngs that make them a mess. Not just the unions or a particular party.....

Quick, now call me an Obamabot

 

[amrchaos]

It should be denounced in every class except political classes!

The same with Theology, should be illegal in every class except Theological classes!

And you would assign thought police to ensure such laws were followed, right?

Standard Disclaimer: We know you voted for Obama....

So you are okay with some preaching Socialism in your church?

How about Satanism to your child during their math class?

Understand this concept cuts in many directions. Not just for the left or just for the right, but across both political and religious view points.

Keep the politics where politics belong(In a political course). Keep Theology where it belongs(Amongst the places of religious Teachings). Then we have less problems in dealing with conflicts of subject matter.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you are okay with some preaching Socialism in your church?

I don't have a church, but I've thought of starting one to fleece the envirowackos or the Obamabots - stupid people and their money are easy to part.

At any rate, churches can say anything they like - the 1st is still in effect, as much as that may distress you - and Obama.

How about Satanism to your child during their math class?

I suspect that would lower the over all math performance of the school, leading to that teacher being moved to a non-teaching position. (Teachers cannot be fired - ever - for anything.)

But let's examine what YOU would do? Would you have the thought police arrest the teacher for unclean thoughts?

Understand this concept cuts in many directions. Not just for the left or just for the right, but across both political and religious view points.

I support liberty, ergo I oppose laws that curtail speech.

Obviously, I did not vote for Obama.

Keep the politics where politics belong(In a political course).

Funny, most California schools use Howard Zinn's fabrication of history to indoctrinate children, yet I never hear a complaint from the left about it. Factual examination has been supplanted in favor of a more "multicultural" view. Yes, it's completely false, but history is about feelings and promoting political views, not about facts, right?

Keep Theology where it belongs(Amongst the places of religious Teachings). Then we have less problems in dealing with conflicts of subject matter.

Perhaps you could create special camps to house those that have a tendency for theology? That way you have no fear of them uttering words that our Ruler has not approved.

 

[blimpo]

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

And that is the way it still is for all the teachers I know. Let one or two across the whole country get in trouble for this and the people grab pitchforks and torches to go stop the monsters.

I'm sure somewhere there might be a few doctors that recommend soaking warts in stump water in the light of a full moon...few and far between.

 

[blimpo]

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

You start from the premise that providing education can be a profit-making business. It isn't. And if universities went out of business nothing would replace them.

Running a school and IBM are two different things.

 

[oreo]

I was wondering about this. Why are teachers allowed to take a captive audience (their students) and shove their vices and their political ideology down their throats.

The students really don't have a choice but to sit there and listen to a activist teacher filling their heads full of nonsense. When the kids come home and repeat this to their parents some go nuts. Some sue. Some start home-schooling. Some meekly put up with it because they feel powerless.

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

Our kids are constantly being bombarded with nonsense. Listening to the SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare it seems that clarity is rare and common-sense is hard to find.

Can't a teacher who abuses his or her authority be guilty of a crime. Why isn't there a problem with teachers that abuse the trust they have earned to be in charge of our kids for 8 hours a day? If they're screwing up our kids can't we do anything about it?

Yes it should be illegal.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have a MacBook that I purchased in 2008.

I have an etchasketch that I purchased in 1980, it has more processing power..

If I were to have bought a MacBook in 2011, given that they discontinued the model in 2012, I would have paid the same price for a far superior computer.

Mac's have never been of particularly good quality; Asus, Gigabyte and Abit are premium brands, Foxcon is purely low budget. But since the early 2000's, the trend in computers is lowered component cost at the price of longevity.

As an example, the DVD drives most computers have used a glass lens up until about 2000. Then the industry switched to a mylar lens. Glass had to ground to form the lens, but lasted virtually forever. Mylar is molded, due to the intensity of the laser beam has about a 4,000 hour meantime between failure rate. About two years of average use. But molding the lens costs pennies, driving the overall cost of a DVD drive to about $20, instead of $300 - so most people don't mind replacing them. This is true of most components in computers. Even the solder that Foxcon uses on Mac motherboards has been reformulated with more lead and less silver. This cuts costs, but creates heat and significantly lowers the lifespan of said boards.

Computers are disposable, and built that way.

The most common complaint I hear about Macs is this: “but you can get a PC with the same processor and the same about of memory for less money.” This is typically offered as proof that the PC is the better value, and that Macs are Overpriced (with a capital O). While there is no denying that one can, indeed, pay less money for a PC with the same processor that, indeed, has more memory than a Mac, it is the Overpriced part with which I wish to contend. Nothing is Overpriced when someone else pays for it. There is something, there must be something, that changes the valuation for those who purchase a Mac. Otherwise, they simply wouldn’t buy one.

The Mac/PC Rivalry: A Case Study in Subjective Valuation

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

That's not what they charge now, but it would be if they had to make students pay the full cost. Virtually all major private universities receive a lot of government funding under various guises.

Personally I think it is to everybody's benefit that a society allows its children to reach their full potential. But I guess you think it would be OK for the US to have a 50% illiteracy rate and become a third world country.

This is false. If they charged a rate that nobody could pay then they'd have no students and go out of business. Without government subsidizing them they'd have to make their rates competitive to attract students and make a profit. That's how the market works.

You start from the premise that providing education can be a profit-making business. It isn't. And if universities went out of business nothing would replace them.

This is a common complaint. "Industry X can't be a profit making business because it's special." Yes, it can, and no, it isn't. Providing education is a service, and there's no reason it can't be run like any other business.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I was wondering about this. Why are teachers allowed to take a captive audience (their students) and shove their vices and their political ideology down their throats.

The students really don't have a choice but to sit there and listen to a activist teacher filling their heads full of nonsense. When the kids come home and repeat this to their parents some go nuts. Some sue. Some start home-schooling. Some meekly put up with it because they feel powerless.

When I was in school, especially H.S., we had roundtable discussions about abortion or whatever the big issue of the day was, but the teachers rarely tried to tell us that we had to think a certain way. They asked what our opinions were, not tell us what our opinions should be.

Our kids are constantly being bombarded with nonsense. Listening to the SCOTUS hearings on Obamacare it seems that clarity is rare and common-sense is hard to find.

Can't a teacher who abuses his or her authority be guilty of a crime. Why isn't there a problem with teachers that abuse the trust they have earned to be in charge of our kids for 8 hours a day? If they're screwing up our kids can't we do anything about it?

It would be pretty hard for a teacher not too push a little bit of their political views on students. It should be the parents job to make sure their children are not brained washed by those views by getting involved with their children and study with them.

 

[chanel]

I will be teaching 1984 in a few weeks. I am struggling with how to present it objectively. What you are proposing would have a chilling effect on educators. The NYC Dept of Ed has just produced a list of 50 "controversial topics" that may not be mentioned on standardized tests inc. Halloween and built in swimming pools. The irony is eery. Be very, very careful what you wish for.

P.S. Nearly half the teachers at my school are righties. Ssssh.