Should Israel Bomb Iran ?

[Ropey]

America's interest in protecting Israel is that it is the sole state in the region with the same values and mentality as her.

Terrorizing your neighbors and running the world's largest open air prison camp are not American values.

Yes, those bad Israeli guys on that red spot and terrorizing those poor Muslims on the green spot.

 

[Wolverine1984]

America's interest in protecting Israel is that it is the sole state in the region with the same values and mentality as her.

Terrorizing your neighbors and running the world's largest open air prison camp are not American values.

Oh by terrorizing your neighbors you mean launching around 8,600 rockets to your neighbors cities in around 8 years deliberately trying to kill civilians (making it about 1075 rockets a year - and 3 rockets a day)?
Or did you mean blowing up your neighbors buses , restaurants , nightclubs etc , using suicide bombs while screaming 'Allah ackbar' (Religion of peace indeed) ?

Oh I'm sorry , it seems all those things are done by Palestinians and not Israel...but I see how you could get confused ... wait , actually I can't.

Any citizen of Israel (Arab, Jewish or Martian) granted rights and liberties much like in the United States while in the neighboring countries such rights are not so easy to come by.

This is but one example of why Israel and American values are one and the same , while American values and the Arab\Muslim world values are not alike at all.

 

[Sunni Man]

Even if Israel was 1 sq ft. of land.

It would be too much and need to go.

 

[Ropey]

Even if Israel was 1 sq ft. of land.

It would be too much and need to go.

I see, Mr. Moderate.

 

[JStone]

Even if Israel was 1 sq ft. of land.

It would be too much and need to go.

Israel was created by your own allah, dumb motherfucker. No 72 whores for you in that bordello in the sky

Quran 17:104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd

And, Israel kicks your backward asses every second of every minute of every hour of every day, LOSER.

Investor's Business Daily: How Free Israel Prospers As Islam Remains In The Dark

Israel, a New Jersey-sized nation of 7.5 million people (1.7 million of whom are Arab) filed 7,082 international patents in the five years ending in 2007. By contrast, 28 majority-Muslim nations with almost 1.2 billion people — 155 times the population of Israel — were granted 2,071 patents in the same period. Narrowing the comparison to the 17 Muslim nations of the Middle East from Morocco to Iran and down the Arabian Peninsula, the 409 million people in that region generated 680 patents in five years.
This means that the Arab and Iranian world produced about one patent per year for every 3 million people, compared with Israel's output of one annual patent for every 5,295 people, an Israeli rate some 568 times that of Israel's neighbors and sometime enemies.

The awarding of Nobel Prizes in the quantitative areas of chemistry, economics and physics shows a similar disparity, with five Israeli winners compared with one French Algerian (a Jew who earned the prize for work done in France) and an Egyptian-American (for work done at Caltech in California).

But wealth isn't the sole explanation for this disparity in intellectual innovation. Saudi Arabia enjoyed a per capita income of $24,200 in 2010. Yet the Kingdom averages an anemic 37 patents per year compared with Israel's 1,416 per year — and there are 3 1/2 times more Saudis than Israelis, meaning that Israel's per capita output of intellectual property is 132 times greater than Saudi Arabia's.

The telltale signs of Israel's economic rise can be seen in the Tel Aviv skyline and the new office complexes around Jerusalem. International giant Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. was founded in 1901 by three pharmacists in Jerusalem. Today it employs 40,000 around the world. Teva has a market cap of $44.2 billion — the most highly valued company based in Israel and the ninth-largest firm traded on the Nasdaq

A few miles from Teva's gleaming office campus west of the Old City sits the former national mint building for the British Mandate. Built in 1937, this renovated building, along with the old Ottoman Empire railway warehouses next to it, houses the JVP Media Quarter and 300 entrepreneurs.

The complex hosts Israel's leading venture capital firm, Jerusalem Venture Partners, as well as 35 startups and a performing arts center for good measure. JVP, which has helped launch 70 companies since 1993, has more than $820 million under management with seven active venture capital funds.

The Media Quarter concept was created in 2002 when JVP founder Erel Margalit wanted to create a media-focused incubator that combined technology, culture, art and business. JVP has shepherded 18 initial public offerings, mergers and acquisitions, including some of the largest Israel-based companies: Qlik Technologies, Netro Corp., Chromatis Networks, Precise Software, Cogent Communications.

Less than 300 miles separate the purposeful creative buzz in the JVP Media Quarter from the restive streets of Cairo, where the Muslim Brotherhood tells Egypt's unemployed that their plight is the fault of corrupt capitalists and Jews. It doesn't take a Nobel Prize-winning economist to figure out where these two economies are going.

How Free Israel Prospers As Islam Remains In Dark - Investors.com

 

[Sunni Man]

I see the serial cut & paste troll JStone is back.

He will derail this thread like he does all of the one's he posts on.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

 

[JStone]

I see the serial cut & paste troll JStone is back.

He will derail this thread like he does all of the one's he posts on.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

Sucks being in a cult known mostly for jihad, wife beating and honor child killing, eh?

Dr. Wafa Sultan, Among "Time Magazine's 100 Heroes And Pioneers Whose Power, Talent Or Moral Example Is Transforming Our World"
Wafa Sultan - The 2006 TIME 100 - TIME.

All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs [the Jews] the fruit of their free and creative thinking. The Jews have come from the tragedy of the Holocaust and forced the world to respect them with their knowledge not with their terror, with their work not their crying and yelling.

Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people scattered throughout the world united and won their rights through work and knowledge.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOicfZ_bAI]Arabs for Israel - Muslims for Israel - Wafa Sultan - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ropey]

Even if Israel was 1 sq ft. of land.

It would be too much and need to go.

I see, Mr. Moderate.

I see the serial cut & paste troll JStone is back.

He will derail this thread like he does all of the one's he posts on.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

What fun? Your lies about being moderate? They're outed already, long before JStone was here.

 

[JStone]

I see the serial cut & paste troll JStone is back.

He will derail this thread like he does all of the one's he posts on.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

How can you use the internet when Google, Microsoft, Intel and Apple all rely on Israel?

Do the muslimes have a search engine, operating software and microprocessors?

Must suck you can't have an iPod, iPad and iPhone since they all have solid state memory technology made in Israel

Wall Street Journal...

Google, Cisco, Microsoft, Intel, eBay . . . ," says one of eBay's executives. "The best-kept secret is that we all live and die by the work of our Israeli teams.
Book Review: "Start-Up Nation" - WSJ.com

Warren Buffett...

If you go to the Middle East looking for oil, you don't need to stop in Israel. But, if you're looking for brains, for energy, for integrity, for imagination, it's the only stop you need to make
Warren Buffet on Israel - YouTube

Google R&D Israel
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfnC0vDx048]Innovation at Google's R&D Center in Israel - YouTube[/ame]

Google Startup Incubator In Israel
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ1Q761ODbE]Google to set up startup incubator in Israel - YouTube[/ame]

Apple First Development Center Outside US
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4wnqRAuhI]Apple to set up Israel development center - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1mYikmYzo]Apple to Acquire Anobit? - YouTube[/ame]

Apple today confirmed earlier reports it has acquired Israel-based flash memory startup Anobit....which makes flash memory technology found in the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Air.. The deal was reported to be worth $400 million to $500 million. Apple confirms Anobit acquisition | Apple - CNET News

Intel Israel

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvjyF6bbwco]A tour of Intel IT's Data Center at Israel - YouTube[/ame]

Intel Israel
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9dbvSsUqKI]INTEL IN ISRAEL - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Microsoft Israel, Develops All Anti-Virus Software

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYQmsfw2v5I]Microsoft CEO Arrives In Israel To Inaugurate New Research A - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3FqQHk000Y]Steve Ballmer at Microsoft's new R&D center in Israel - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmCCyRa0l6A]Microsoft Israel plans to take market by storm - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wolverine1984]

I see the serial cut & paste troll JStone is back.

He will derail this thread like he does all of the one's he posts on.

Well it was fun while it lasted.

LOL , as expected , a deflection ...
You don't have anything to say to defend your point so you deflect ...

 

[waltky]

Might be like Custer with dem Injuns...

Israel's risky option on Iran
February 21, 2012 - Worse than a nuclear-armed Iran would be a nuclear-armed Iran that has been attacked by Israel.

Talk of a military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities is not subsiding. If diplomacy can't head off Iran'snuclear ambitions, advocates for a military strike in Israel and the United States will only gain strength. While proponents may believe that Israel can endure the short-term military and diplomatic fallout of such action, the long-term consequences are likely to be disastrous for Israel's security.

Those believed to favor a military option, such as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, argue that the Middle East with a nuclear-armed Iran would be far more dangerous than a military attack to prevent it. But their position rests on a faulty assumption that a future, post-attack Middle East would indeed be free of a nuclear-armed Iran. In fact, it may result in the worst of both worlds: a future nuclear-armed Iran more determined than ever to challenge the Jewish state, and with far fewer regional and international impediments to do so.

Let's consider a post-attack Middle East. The risk factors are well known: potential Iranian retaliation in the Levant, the Persian Gulf and perhaps against Israeli and American interests abroad, as well as destabilizing consequences for global oil markets. Those Israelis who favor a strike believe that such retaliation would be limited and in any case less harmful than facing a nuclear-armed Iran. Those opposed to an attack, such as former Israeli Mossad head Meir Dagan, believe the risks are too uncertain and potentially too costly to justify a strike; in their view, covert actions will be more effective in slowing Iran's program, with fewer repercussions.

The consensus among Western analysts is that a military attack against Iran would at best delay Iran's nuclear development, not stop it. This is because Iran's nuclear facilities are believed to be widely dispersed and deeply buried, and because the nuclear expertise that Iran has developed so far cannot be eradicated through military strikes. On top of that, military attacks could push Iran to weaponize its program. Thus, what the region's future may hold is not an Iran that has or hasn't acquired nuclear weapons, but rather a nuclear-armed Iran that has or hasn't been attacked by Israel.

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[72VirginCamels]

don't forget to drop a bomb on that well in Qom the Islamic morons drop stones into. God speed to the IDF. It's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.

 

[Tech1]

Israel attacking Iran is ridiculous except for a bombing mission. Israel is too far away and bombing Iran would only unite Iran against them and make matters worse. Plus bombing Iranian nuclear reactors means a dirty bomb releasing radiation all over the place and killing numerous civilians. Iran has the right to build nuclear power plants while Israel doesn't sign any agreements or allow any inspections of it's nuclear programs. Only way to pull this off is for Israel to draw the USA into backing them and to be sure use nuclear weapons on Iran levelling it. Only way for that to happen is with an incident, a false flag operation to get the world so angry they would allow this. Bottom line is the oil and gas the British and American anglo oil lords seek to control as Iran was British Petroleum-BP. If only British Petroluem hadn't gotten Ike to OK the CIA overthrowing their democratic government in 1953 but that is water under the dam. They are trying to squeeze their economy by cutting off markets for their oil and trading partners hoping to topple the regime from within. China attended Bilderberg this summer and I'm sure this was on the table. Investor's Business Daily reported China has cut back on Iranian crude by contracting with Saudi and other suppliers to make up the loss. India is buying Iranian crude through Turkey which they are trying to block also. Bottom line is that the anglo oil bankers want to control that oil and gas and sell it for US Petrodollars-their world reserve currency. They already control Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lybia, and once Syria is nuetralized Iran is alone for the picking-so they think! The US military is there to contain them in the big squeeze hoping it won't come to a shooting war. Dangerous game. Iran could do real damage in the region of it came to that but they are not insane quite yet. If the west thinks this plan isn't panning out option "B" comes up. Brookings Institute wrote up three involving a false flag or an incident they could provoke to justfy massive attacks on Iran.
A land invasion isn't on the table now and we don't have enough troops to pull that off. The Pentagon knows any attack now would be a bad situation because Iran has gotten smart. First they have thousands of lethal missles which could hit Saudi oil facilties, Bahrain, Qatar, and Israel plus inflict pain on our Navy ships. They think Iran would use most of their missles right away to prevent them from being destroyed by bombs. Iran's idea would be to inflict heavy losses on the US and Arabs to force them to back off. Iran knows it can't defeat the USA in a regular war so it would play chess more like North Vietnam outlasting us. Israel alone could only piss them off and ensure they did aquire nuclear weapons in the future. The best military option now would be an all out attack by Israel and the Nato/US using nuclear weapons, (sorry) and I sure hope they don't do this. I don't think the anglo oil bankers have the cold blooded balls to pull that off so it's cat and mouse games going on meaning gas prices are going rise in the west. Putting myself in the position of the anglo oil vampires though I'd blow up the summer Olympics with a nuke of some kind, blame it on Iran and the whole world would certainly back strikes using nuclear weapons on Iran. Human beings on their balance sheets are a cost, a liablity so.......the real danger is some "incident" fairly nasty by the oil Lords on us to sway public opinion for the attacks first. Danger time is from March until the election in November with the late spring and summer having better odds. Winds of war are blowing.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Israel attacking Iran is ridiculous except for a bombing mission. Israel is too far away and bombing Iran would only unite Iran against them and make matters worse. Plus bombing Iranian nuclear reactors means a dirty bomb releasing radiation all over the place and killing numerous civilians. Iran has the right to build nuclear power plants while Israel doesn't sign any agreements or allow any inspections of it's nuclear programs. Only way to pull this off is for Israel to draw the USA into backing them and to be sure use nuclear weapons on Iran levelling it. Only way for that to happen is with an incident, a false flag operation to get the world so angry they would allow this. Bottom line is the oil and gas the British and American anglo oil lords seek to control as Iran was British Petroleum-BP. If only British Petroluem hadn't gotten Ike to OK the CIA overthrowing their democratic government in 1953 but that is water under the dam. They are trying to squeeze their economy by cutting off markets for their oil and trading partners hoping to topple the regime from within. China attended Bilderberg this summer and I'm sure this was on the table. Investor's Business Daily reported China has cut back on Iranian crude by contracting with Saudi and other suppliers to make up the loss. India is buying Iranian crude through Turkey which they are trying to block also. Bottom line is that the anglo oil bankers want to control that oil and gas and sell it for US Petrodollars-their world reserve currency. They already control Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Lybia, and once Syria is nuetralized Iran is alone for the picking-so they think! The US military is there to contain them in the big squeeze hoping it won't come to a shooting war. Dangerous game. Iran could do real damage in the region of it came to that but they are not insane quite yet. If the west thinks this plan isn't panning out option "B" comes up. Brookings Institute wrote up three involving a false flag or an incident they could provoke to justfy massive attacks on Iran.
A land invasion isn't on the table now and we don't have enough troops to pull that off. The Pentagon knows any attack now would be a bad situation because Iran has gotten smart. First they have thousands of lethal missles which could hit Saudi oil facilties, Bahrain, Qatar, and Israel plus inflict pain on our Navy ships. They think Iran would use most of their missles right away to prevent them from being destroyed by bombs. Iran's idea would be to inflict heavy losses on the US and Arabs to force them to back off. Iran knows it can't defeat the USA in a regular war so it would play chess more like North Vietnam outlasting us. Israel alone could only piss them off and ensure they did aquire nuclear weapons in the future. The best military option now would be an all out attack by Israel and the Nato/US using nuclear weapons, (sorry) and I sure hope they don't do this. I don't think the anglo oil bankers have the cold blooded balls to pull that off so it's cat and mouse games going on meaning gas prices are going rise in the west. Putting myself in the position of the anglo oil vampires though I'd blow up the summer Olympics with a nuke of some kind, blame it on Iran and the whole world would certainly back strikes using nuclear weapons on Iran. Human beings on their balance sheets are a cost, a liablity so.......the real danger is some "incident" fairly nasty by the oil Lords on us to sway public opinion for the attacks first. Danger time is from March until the election in November with the late spring and summer having better odds. Winds of war are blowing.

I'm sorry , have you ever heard about paragraph structure ? It's really hard to read it like that ...

 

[ekrem]

USA isn't interested in a bigger conflict with Iran (be it Bush, Obama or everyone before them).
Israel can't do anything without USA in Iran case.

Time to attack Iran has long passed. Iran will export the hostilities over its borders and USA doesn't have enough Patriots for its installations in the region.

Israelis should shut the fuck up. It has become a telenovela "this March"...

 

[Ropey]

Israelis should shut the fuck up. It has become a telenovela "this March"...

And it really burns your ass that they haven't shut the fuck up ekrem?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k]Palpatine delivers some hate speech - YouTube[/ame]

Especially about the Turkish Armenian Genocide?

 

[amir]

If the terrorist state of Israel bombs the peaceful country of Iran.

Then the global markets and economy will go into a tail spin.

And the world could easily descend into chaos and eventually a debilitating war of biblical proportions.

***
So, a small country, the only democracy in the region that fights for its survival is a terrorist state, and the IRI (I refuse to call those thugs Iranians) that is responsible for global terrorism, kidnapping and assassination is a peaceful nation!
When was the last time we read that Israel jailed, tortured and murdered its political opponents? Or when they stoned a woman, hanged a homosexual, executed a political figure?
How typical of a Sunnu man!

 

[Wolverine1984]

If the terrorist state of Israel bombs the peaceful country of Iran.

Then the global markets and economy will go into a tail spin.

And the world could easily descend into chaos and eventually a debilitating war of biblical proportions.

***
So, a small country, the only democracy in the region that fights for its survival is a terrorist state, and the IRI (I refuse to call those thugs Iranians) that is responsible for global terrorism, kidnapping and assassination is a peaceful nation!
When was the last time we read that Israel jailed, tortured and murdered its political opponents? Or when they stoned a woman, hanged a homosexual, executed a political figure?
How typical of a Sunnu man!

I wanted to respond to that comment of his , but sadly I could not stop myself from laughing hysterically about 'Peaceful country of Iran' for a long enough time to formulate a response. LOL