Should hospitals be free to dump penniless emergencies.

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    I read so many posts saying that the government has no business in health care. There are comments that say that health care is not in the Constitution and that it is not a right. I read all sorts of similar glowing generalities and absolutes. Then I thought about EMTALA. I thought that mentioning it would be an excellent way for me to impress upon people, perhaps even those laissez-faire fanatics, that issues like this are not so black-and-white and either-or.

    What is your position on the “Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act” also known as EMTALA? Let me spell it out for you as simply as I can. It is a basically a Federal law that requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay.

    For more detailed information on it such what makes a hospital subject to the law and when a qualifying hospital is allowed to discharge a patient, please read:
    Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now, don’t you think that government has no business getting involved in health care? If a hospital knows that Joe Smith is struggling to come into the hospital and has a life threatening condition, that Joe needs immediate care, and that Joe has no insurance and no financial resources, then that hospital should be free to have security escort Joe out to the curb. The hospital can have Joe carried outside and dumped off at the curb if Joe is in too much pain to walk. Don’t you agree? Leave the free market alone to do as it pleases as long as there is no fraud involved. “If you don’t have the money to pay for your care and you can’t find charity, then die in the street.”

    Wow. I think that hospitals should be free to dump poor patients having easily surgically treatable life-threatening emergencies on the street corner. Don’t you? “Awww. You just had an accident and severed your leg off – but you can’t pay for us to treat you. Go bleed on the street please. You are messing up our carpet.”

    (Note my sarcasm.)
     
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    For a libertarian, the answer to your question is an unqualified "yes." (Says a lot about them, doesn't it?)
     
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    Fact is hospitals DONT and WONT do what your suggesting. Anyone who enters an ER in this country is treated. Even immigrants! But this is a problem now that you mention it. Clearly, the problem is worsening, which proves a lack of success on the part of government intervention and the EMTALA.

    Centrism, I consider myself a libertarian, in part, and your judgement is incorrect in regards to my position on this issue.
     
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    Yes. And whoever passed a law stating otherwise should be required to pay for their care.
     
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    Which is totally consistent with you being only a "libertarian, in part." :)
     
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    More Wicrapedia? Damn, people will type anything won't they.
     
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    So how about the folks who are brought in from car wrecks that burned up their wallets? No way of knowing if they have money or insurance.
     
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    Healthcare is a basic human need but that doesn't meant that healthcare payed for out of the pocket of someone else is a basic right. I don't have the right to hold a gun to your head and make you pay for my daughter's operation (assuming she needed one) so why should the gov't be able to do it? It's stealing from Peter to pay Paul no matter how you slice it but for some reason when the government does it to everyone people seem to think it's o.k.

    No a hospital should not be allowed to turn away those that need care (I work in surgery I'd quit instantly if I found out my hospital was doing this) but needing care doesn't negate your responsibility to pay for that care. Most hospitals are more than willing to make some sort of arrangement with patients and most have charity programs as well to help those that are truly indigent. Considering how many people simply skip out on their bills they are generally happy to be getting SOMETHING instead of nothing.
     
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    misch obama, aka i hate america, was part of the dumping poor black patients, in chicago!!! she also got a hefty raise when b hussein became a senator. but let's not talk about that, let's talk about her fugly haircut!!! lol
     
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    Hospitals and free clinics should continue to provide emergency care for any and all who require same.

    It is beyond comprehension that any, citiizens, illegal immigrants, visitors to our country should be turned away in a time of need.

    Since this question is part of the larger healthcare issue, I believe that this aspect must remain as is. There are a dozen ways to solve the questions raised by both sides, but I have yet to hear any suggest shutting down access to hospital emergency rooms.

    In a story related to healthcare costs, here is the first paragraph from Samuelson's article in today's Washington Post:
    "One of the bewildering ironies of the health-care debate is that President Obama claims to be attacking the status quo when he's actually embracing it. Ever since Congress created Medicare and Medicaid in 1965, health politics has followed a simple logic: Expand benefits and talk about controlling costs. That's the status quo, and Obama faithfully adheres to it. While denouncing skyrocketing health spending, he would increase it by extending government health insurance to millions more Americans."
    washingtonpost.com

    And since several post have gratuously added their political perspective as part of their answer, let me add that as a Conservative, I see, in this connection, all members of society as, in Edmund Burke's phrase, 'little platoons,' with responsibility to each other.
     
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