CDZ Should guns and ammo be tax free items? Seattle's gun & ammo tax show why...

[Toronado3800]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

 

[Toronado3800]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

How about we just vote out every democrat.......that would work too....

 

[Toronado3800]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

How about we just vote out every democrat.......that would work too....

......Tourettes......?

Your best bet is to make friends with the other side or at least not motivate them to go vote against you.

Think of this, if it is a rainy day and its time to go vote turnout will be lower and your vote will count more....unless something really motivates ppl to get out.

You don't want to be the motivator for the other side.

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

How about we just vote out every democrat.......that would work too....

......Tourettes......?

Your best bet is to make friends with the other side or at least not motivate them to go vote against you.

Think of this, if it is a rainy day and its time to go vote turnout will be lower and your vote will count more....unless something really motivates ppl to get out.

You don't want to be the motivator for the other side.

Sorry....I have been watching this debate since the 1990s.....the anti-gunners are no different than book burners.....book burners attack the 1st Amendment.....anti-gunners attack the 2nd Amendment...and both of them do so out of irrational fear....their leaders want to ban all guns....they then use lies and deception, bait and switch, to fool people who are not informed on the topic....I just posted a video interview with a leader of the anti-gun movement...he lied about 4 times on the show with Tucker Carlson....those lies have been documented by myself and others...they are corrected by other people on the shows they appear on...yet they keep pushing lies.....

Here is the interview....

This guy uses bait and switch on magazines and rifles,

He lies about the effectiveness of Australian gun laws.

He lies about universal background checks....

The interview starts at the 19:11 mark.....

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

How about we just vote out every democrat.......that would work too....

......Tourettes......?

Your best bet is to make friends with the other side or at least not motivate them to go vote against you.

Think of this, if it is a rainy day and its time to go vote turnout will be lower and your vote will count more....unless something really motivates ppl to get out.

You don't want to be the motivator for the other side.

This is why I love the internet.....this article answers your question about getting along with anti-gunners....and it just popped up today....

Gun Controllers Know Their Policies Won’t Stop Murder. It's Another Game

Something Else Is Afoot

With all of these considerations, I oppose all of these proposed laws for the same reason millions and millions of other gun rights advocates oppose them: because they would place additional burdens and restrictions on law-abiding gun owners while doing nothing to prevent criminals from acquiring and using firearms.

So we are left with this question: if their proposed remedies would be so obviously and demonstrably unlikely to solve the very problems they claim to intend to solve, then why do gun controllers keep advocating these ridiculous and counterintuitive laws?


The answer is not hard to see. Gun control advocates, like most political actors, are pragmatic and practical. They understand that certain legislative goals and ambitions must play out over a period of time rather than in a political instant. You can see this type of long-game strategy in, say, the American health-care debate: after seven years of Obamacare, Democrats are increasingly pursuing single-payer, something that was much less feasible before the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, Sen. Harry Reid has explicitly stated that Obamacare is intended solely to be “a step in the right direction” towards single-payer, nothing more.

So it is with gun control: liberals propose these useless laws and regulations not in an attempt to honestly curb gun violence but rather in a long-form attempt to pass other laws down the road. It will be much easier to ban large classes of semiautomatic rifles, after all, after five or ten years of banning scary-looking AR-style “assault weapons.” It will be far easier, too, to sharply restrict firearm purchases after a decade of regulating ammunition sales, the latter of which will soon begin in California.

This doesn’t have to be some grand conspiracy theory or dark, shadowy intrigue. Gun controllers are not stupid. They understand long-form political action as well as anyone.

They do not like guns and they are more than patient enough to play the drawn-out politics necessary to curtail American gun rights.

This is why I oppose these perennial gun control efforts and deeply mistrust the people who advocate them. To be fair, I get it: if the situation were reversed, and I were starting from a legal position in which gun rights were severely restricted in this country, I would play the same game if necessary. It’s the smart thing to do.

But our Second Amendment rights are too precious and hard-won to allow them to be chipped away by slow and deliberate political strikes. Every worthless gun law passed today will give way to a slightly more restrictive law several years from now, then one more after that, and another after that. Gun controllers are welcome to play this game, of course. But we should be prepared to head them off as early as possible. They understand the stakes, and they understand how to get what they want. So should we.

 

[Divine Wind]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

Yes, but the results of such taxes like Seattle's is to deprive the poor of their Constitutional rights while empowering the rich to have plenty of guns and ammo in case the "poor" get uppity.

Just goes to so that being "liberal" nowadays simply means a supporting Rich Authoratiarian Tyrants (RATs).

 

[Toronado3800]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

Yes, but the results of such taxes like Seattle's is to deprive the poor of their Constitutional rights while empowering the rich to have plenty of guns and ammo in case the "poor" get uppity.

Just goes to so that being "liberal" nowadays simply means a supporting Rich Authoratiarian Tyrants (RATs).

I can work with a tax system which charges those the system has to protect more than the it charges the poor who have less to be stolen.

 

[Toronado3800]

A couple random thoughts.

Gun sale trends are comical. When it seems an "anti-gunner" is getting elected go buy stock in ammo companies. Then what changes? Nothing.

A $25 difference on the cost of a tank of gas is a big deal. If I buy 5 guns a decade a $25 difference.....might make me think about buying one in the county.

You have lied in your initial post. Probably for dramatic effect but it makes people dig in their heals and makes you look, well, desperate enough to lie. Consider this statement:

"Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders..."

So you are saying the "anti-gunners" motivated by Sandy Hook don't care about murders? They have a different idea than you on how to prevent murders sure. Their method will not work instantly and is not full proof though.

No...it isn't a lie....the anti-gunners, especially the leadership of the movement, know that a tax on guns does not effect criminals...it won't reduce gun murder....they lied and used funding research as a way to get voters to support their law, in order to force gun stores out of Seattle, which is happening... They know that if they increase taxes on guns and ammo, gun stores won't be able to shift those taxes in a way that keeps their store open.

At heart I don't think your gun positions and mine are THAT different. Maybe we can play good cop / bad cop and keep guns legal.

How about we just vote out every democrat.......that would work too....

......Tourettes......?

Your best bet is to make friends with the other side or at least not motivate them to go vote against you.

Think of this, if it is a rainy day and its time to go vote turnout will be lower and your vote will count more....unless something really motivates ppl to get out.

You don't want to be the motivator for the other side.

This is why I love the internet.....this article answers your question about getting along with anti-gunners....and it just popped up today....

Gun Controllers Know Their Policies Won’t Stop Murder. It's Another Game

Something Else Is Afoot

With all of these considerations, I oppose all of these proposed laws for the same reason millions and millions of other gun rights advocates oppose them: because they would place additional burdens and restrictions on law-abiding gun owners while doing nothing to prevent criminals from acquiring and using firearms.

So we are left with this question: if their proposed remedies would be so obviously and demonstrably unlikely to solve the very problems they claim to intend to solve, then why do gun controllers keep advocating these ridiculous and counterintuitive laws?


The answer is not hard to see. Gun control advocates, like most political actors, are pragmatic and practical. They understand that certain legislative goals and ambitions must play out over a period of time rather than in a political instant. You can see this type of long-game strategy in, say, the American health-care debate: after seven years of Obamacare, Democrats are increasingly pursuing single-payer, something that was much less feasible before the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, Sen. Harry Reid has explicitly stated that Obamacare is intended solely to be “a step in the right direction” towards single-payer, nothing more.

So it is with gun control: liberals propose these useless laws and regulations not in an attempt to honestly curb gun violence but rather in a long-form attempt to pass other laws down the road. It will be much easier to ban large classes of semiautomatic rifles, after all, after five or ten years of banning scary-looking AR-style “assault weapons.” It will be far easier, too, to sharply restrict firearm purchases after a decade of regulating ammunition sales, the latter of which will soon begin in California.

This doesn’t have to be some grand conspiracy theory or dark, shadowy intrigue. Gun controllers are not stupid. They understand long-form political action as well as anyone.

They do not like guns and they are more than patient enough to play the drawn-out politics necessary to curtail American gun rights.

This is why I oppose these perennial gun control efforts and deeply mistrust the people who advocate them. To be fair, I get it: if the situation were reversed, and I were starting from a legal position in which gun rights were severely restricted in this country, I would play the same game if necessary. It’s the smart thing to do.

But our Second Amendment rights are too precious and hard-won to allow them to be chipped away by slow and deliberate political strikes. Every worthless gun law passed today will give way to a slightly more restrictive law several years from now, then one more after that, and another after that. Gun controllers are welcome to play this game, of course. But we should be prepared to head them off as early as possible. They understand the stakes, and they understand how to get what they want. So should we.

Since the 80's I have learned:

-If you voted Republican to ban abortion you wasted your time.
-If you voted Democrat to ban guns you wasted your time.
-If you voted Republican to stop socialized healthcare....well heck, Reagan had it.
-If you voted Democrat to stop our wars, nice 8 years of war we had.

Some nuts on each side want to do ridiculous things. It is up to the majority of us to decide things like,

"Well since the ER is going to treat everyone anyway how do we most fairly charge for this?"

Or

"Lord we're paying alot for this gun crimes unit. How do we most fairly tax ppl for this?"

And nudge things in a reasonable direction.

How about this, lets say City A is paying alot to combat gun violence and they decided to hire more cops. How would you like to pay for it?

Giving every house in the city a gun for defense is only a couple hundred bucks a house...

We could tax ppl more, probably a bad idea to assign a tax surcharge to crime prone areas even if it woukd be "fair". It opens up my can of worms that a rich man benefits more from the government than a poor man and the rich will be taxed WAY more.

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

Yes, but the results of such taxes like Seattle's is to deprive the poor of their Constitutional rights while empowering the rich to have plenty of guns and ammo in case the "poor" get uppity.

Just goes to so that being "liberal" nowadays simply means a supporting Rich Authoratiarian Tyrants (RATs).

And according to the Murdoch v. Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision...you can't tax a Right to stop it......and that is what any tax or fee does on gun ownership.

 

[2aguy]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

Yes, but the results of such taxes like Seattle's is to deprive the poor of their Constitutional rights while empowering the rich to have plenty of guns and ammo in case the "poor" get uppity.

Just goes to so that being "liberal" nowadays simply means a supporting Rich Authoratiarian Tyrants (RATs).

I can work with a tax system which charges those the system has to protect more than the it charges the poor who have less to be stolen.

The actual gun violence is in the poorest areas of our inner cities.... how do you pay for it.......you use tax money the way it is supposed to be used...for cops and firemen first......then decorative planters on Main Street......that's how......but Thomas Sowell pointed out if you want the vanity project and cops, but don't have the money for both....as a politician you pay for the vanity project...then...you go back and plead poor and that you need more money for cops....

These cities have enough money for cops...they spend money on everything but cops....that is the problem...

 

[12icer]

The only reason to take or to limit gun rights is to exercise complete control over the people, and prevent them from removing you from office when you become dictatorial. It is a tool the liberals need to be able to force the people to accept their complete rule as dictators.

 

[Toronado3800]

The only reason to take or to limit gun rights is to exercise complete control over the people, and prevent them from removing you from office when you become dictatorial. It is a tool the liberals need to be able to force the people to accept their complete rule as dictators.

Ah, name calling.

Us liberals think guns are allowed for reasons besides a militia being necessary because we look around at how the founding fathers enforced the laws.

No any literal bible conservative reader of the 2nd amendment will tell you guns are only for those in the Militia, and a well regulated one at that.

In conclusion, I suspect we nearly agree about gun rights. I just think if you can avoid the name calling and divisive comments people who don't like guns won't be soo motivated to go out and vote.

 

[2aguy]

The only reason to take or to limit gun rights is to exercise complete control over the people, and prevent them from removing you from office when you become dictatorial. It is a tool the liberals need to be able to force the people to accept their complete rule as dictators.

Ah, name calling.

Us liberals think guns are allowed for reasons besides a militia being necessary because we look around at how the founding fathers enforced the laws.

No any literal bible conservative reader of the 2nd amendment will tell you guns are only for those in the Militia, and a well regulated one at that.

In conclusion, I suspect we nearly agree about gun rights. I just think if you can avoid the name calling and divisive comments people who don't like guns won't be soo motivated to go out and vote.

No..guns are not just for the militia........

 

[Divine Wind]

The only reason to take or to limit gun rights is to exercise complete control over the people, and prevent them from removing you from office when you become dictatorial. It is a tool the liberals need to be able to force the people to accept their complete rule as dictators.

Ah, name calling.

Us liberals think guns are allowed for reasons besides a militia being necessary because we look around at how the founding fathers enforced the laws.

No any literal bible conservative reader of the 2nd amendment will tell you guns are only for those in the Militia, and a well regulated one at that.

In conclusion, I suspect we nearly agree about gun rights. I just think if you can avoid the name calling and divisive comments people who don't like guns won't be soo motivated to go out and vote.

No..guns are not just for the militia........

Agreed.

The 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
....Implicit in the debate between Federalists and Anti-Federalists were two shared assumptions. First, that the proposed new Constitution gave the federal government almost total legal authority over the army and militia. Second, that the federal government should not have any authority at all to disarm the citizenry. They disagreed only about whether an armed populace could adequately deter federal oppression.

The Second Amendment conceded nothing to the Anti-Federalists’ desire to sharply curtail the military power of the federal government, which would have required substantial changes in the original Constitution. Yet the Amendment was easily accepted because of widespread agreement that the federal government should not have the power to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms, any more than it should have the power to abridge the freedom of speech or prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Much has changed since 1791. The traditional militia fell into desuetude, and state-based militia organizations were eventually incorporated into the federal military structure. The nation’s military establishment has become enormously more powerful than eighteenth century armies. We still hear political rhetoric about federal tyranny, but most Americans do not fear the nation’s armed forces and virtually no one thinks that an armed populace could defeat those forces in battle. Furthermore, eighteenth century civilians routinely kept at home the very same weapons they would need if called to serve in the militia, while modern soldiers are equipped with weapons that differ significantly from those generally thought appropriate for civilian uses. Civilians no longer expect to use their household weapons for militia duty, although they still keep and bear arms to defend against common criminals (as well as for hunting and other forms of recreation).

The law has also changed. While states in the Founding era regulated guns—blacks were often prohibited from possessing firearms and militia weapons were frequently registered on government rolls—gun laws today are more extensive and controversial. Another important legal development was the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Second Amendment originally applied only to the federal government, leaving the states to regulate weapons as they saw fit. Although there is substantial evidence that the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was meant to protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms from infringement by the states, the Supreme Court rejected this interpretation in United States v. Cruikshank (1876).....

 

[Uncensored2008]

Q. "Should guns and ammo be tax free items? Seattle's gun & ammo tax show why..."

A. Of course; better to tax Milk, butter, cheese and bread - man does not live by food alone, he needs guns to help others die.

Are milk, butter, cheese, and bread taxed, Herr Goebbels?

Of course not, you are just flinging shit, as always.

Now, would you like the defend the Seattle Poll Tax?

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Seattle increased taxes on buying guns and ammo......a lot. They lied to the uninformed stating they were doing this to help pay for the damage done by criminals......by taking money from people who aren't criminals.....that is how the left wing thinks........


So they raised taxes....gun sales went down....gun murder went up...since criminals don't pay taxes on guns and ammo....

Too many pro 2nd Amendment people still don't understand that this is the outcome the anti-gunner, democrats wanted....they don't care about the murders....there are more than enough democrats in Seattle to vote every 2 years....they just care about driving out gun stores...and they are doing this....

Guns and ammo need to be Tax free items.....

It is too easy for the left to attack the 2nd Amendment by imposing taxes, fees and tests, just as the democrats did after the Republicans freed black slaves....the democrats imposed taxes and tests in order to vote...these Poll Taxes and Literacy tests kept the newly freed slaves from voting....

The left is now trying to do this with the 2nd Amendment...




Seattle gun tax failure? Firearm sales plummet, violence spikes after law passes

Seattle City Councilman Tim Burgess introduced the tax in 2015. It puts a $25 tax on every firearm sold in the city and up to 5 cents per round of ammunition. The measure easily passed and took effect January 1, 2016. Comparing the first five months of 2017 with the same period before the gun tax went into effect, reports of shots fired are up 13 percent, the number of people injured in shootings climbed 37 percent and gun deaths doubled, according to crime statistics from the Seattle Police Department.

Councilman Burgess never returned calls and emails for comment. Dana Robinson Slote, director of communication for Seattle City Council, said she was “politely declining your invitation for an interview.”

In selling his gun tax to the public, Burgess predicted it would generate between $300,000 and $500,000 annually. The money would be used to study the root causes of gun violence in hopes of reducing the costs to taxpayers.

JUDGE UPHOLDS SEATTLE 'GUN VIOLENCE TAX' DESPITE CHALLENGE FROM GUN RIGHTS GROUPS

Seattle officials refuse to say how much the tax brought in the first year, only giving the number “under $200,000.” Gun rights groups have sued to get the exact amount.

But Mike Coombs, owner of Outdoor Emporium, the last large gun dealer left in Seattle, said the actual tax revenue is almost certainly just over $100,000, a figure based on information he says the city shared with his lawyers.

Coombs said storewide, sales are down 20 percent while gun sales have plummeted 60 percent.

“I’ve had to lay off employees because of this,” Coombs said. “It’s hurting us, it’s hurting our employees.”

Employees at the Big 5 sporting goods stores in Seattle also report anemic gun sales. But there’s evidence Seattleites are just going outside the city to buy their guns. Coombs also owns a gun shop in the nearby city of Fife. Sales there are described as robust.

Another gun dealer simply left Seattle and moved his shop, Precise Shooter, to nearby Lynnwood. Sergey Solyanik said business has never been better. He said the gun tax has probably worked out to be a net negative for Seattle when factoring lost sales tax revenue.

The goal wasn't to fund gun research or for any other reason than to drive gun stores out of Seattle.......this should be taken to court...and the courts need to end this...

It is also in violation of the 14th Amendment...since it very easily prices guns out of the hands of the poor.......

Many years ago they tried to pass a dollar a bullet and that bit the dust do to the NRA going to court, and now they are back trying to tax bullets like cigarettes and just tax them out of existence. Hope the NRS goes to court on this one.

 

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The only reason to take or to limit gun rights is to exercise complete control over the people, and prevent them from removing you from office when you become dictatorial. It is a tool the liberals need to be able to force the people to accept their complete rule as dictators.

Ah, name calling.

Us liberals think guns are allowed for reasons besides a militia being necessary because we look around at how the founding fathers enforced the laws.

No any literal bible conservative reader of the 2nd amendment will tell you guns are only for those in the Militia, and a well regulated one at that.

In conclusion, I suspect we nearly agree about gun rights. I just think if you can avoid the name calling and divisive comments people who don't like guns won't be soo motivated to go out and vote.

No..guns are not just for the militia........

Agreed.

The point is us (you me, Divine.Wind) and a majority of people read that terribly written 2md Ammendment and LIBERALLY come up with the decision the right to own guns has nothing to do with the militia.

That document was not written in Shakespeare's middle english. The wording just sucked.

So, we look around at:

-how it was enforced at the time
-the spirit of the Constitution (restrictive, open, etc)
-what modifications are necessary for the modern world

and play a game where Reagan's judges didn't let me order an Abrams but he let me own a rifle.

Not because he Conservatively read the Constitution but because he Liberally interpreted it (pretty correctly IMO).