Should Green-Cards be hired before citizens?

[kyzr]

There are hundreds of thousands of aliens on visas and green-cards employed ahead of US citizens. I want to see a clearing house where a qualified citizen can "bump" an alien for a job in his area and field. Similar to union seniority rules. This link is old, but shows about how many non-citizens were working here while unemployment goes to 11%
Office of Immigration Statistics Releases Report for January 2005 - March 15, 2005

 

[Screaming Eagle]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

 

[WillowTree]

I agree. or the country of the aliens origin should pay the US citizen unemployment benefits. either way works for me.

 

[kyzr]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

 

[Sunni Man]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I think all of the aliens, legal and illegal alike, should not be employed in the US with the current high rate of unemployment. Send them all packing back to where they came from - especially the illegal ones.

 

[Gatekeeper]

I did not answer the Poll because the first question is: "citizens should have a right to jobs"

Well, citizens already have the 'right' to have jobs" What I would have probably said in the poll would be something like "Should US Citizens have a job preference First"?

Maybe like in say, France, the French citizen is always hired BEFORE anyone else in a French business. AND, if say a U.S. citizen is hired for a job in France, and a French citizen is in the market for THAT job, the U.S. citizen or any other, is let go, in favor of France's citizens.
The French Citizen comes FIRST.

That is the way it should be in the USA, however, many U.S. citizens are too damn whatever to take many of the jobs, then bitch about 'foreigners taking those jobs. So the end result is, tough. Don't bitch about others taking the job that 'you' wouldn't take anyway. In my working days, I was a supervisor and without any hesitation, I can tell anyone that those I personally worked with, Saudis, Palestinians, Latino, and others, worked for the most part without any complaining at all, and performed very well. The U.S. citizen,many not all, and sad to say,bitched and moaned on just about every job that came along, while trying to take the 'short cut' in many tasks.

So, that puts a crimp in this question of whom should be hired first in the USA job market doesn't it?
Maybe with our unemployment rate being so high, many will change their minds on just which jobs they will perform.
Hopefully that will happen and reduce our unemployment numbers.

 

[tigerbob]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

Can you tell me what taxes you pay (as a U.S. Citizen, I presume) that I (a green card holder) do not?

 

[del]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

Can you tell me what taxes you pay (as a U.S. Citizen, I presume) that I (a green card holder) do not?

none.

 

[tigerbob]

I think all of the aliens, legal and illegal alike, should not be employed in the US with the current high rate of unemployment. Send them all packing back to where they came from - especially the illegal ones.

Interesting.

I went through the lengthy and complex immigration process, paid all the fees, had the background checks, had the interview, had all the medical tests, and on that basis was granted a green card.

I pay my taxes, have no criminal record, own my own home, own my own business and live here legally as the husband of a US citizen with 2 dual citizen children.

But you (I'm assuming based on what you posted - please correct me if I'm wrong) would force me to go back to Britain and take my wife and children with me, or get a divorce and then fuck off home on my own. Even if allowed to stay, you think I should not be allowed to work.

You won't be surprised to hear that I think those options are a little unfair.

 

[tigerbob]

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

Can you tell me what taxes you pay (as a U.S. Citizen, I presume) that I (a green card holder) do not?

none.

Didn't think so.

 

[manifold]

Clearly kyzr hates freedom and free market enterprise and is a major proponent of nationalized socialism.

Glad he's just another ineffectual internet douchebag like the rest of us.

 

[Sunni Man]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

I just got a neg rep from WillowTree because of my post above.

Obviously she has never had to be a supervisor over american workers; especially minority (and I use the term loosely) "workers"

They just want to collect a check. They bitch and moan about everything. Do the least amount of work that they can get away with. And are always looking for a way to sue the company over anything. Showing up on time is seen by them to be an inconvenience and calling in sick is mandatory.

 

[del]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

I just got a neg rep from WillowTree because of my post above.

Obviously she has never had to be a supervisor over american workers; especially minority (and I use the term loosely) "workers"

They just want to collect a check. They bitch and moan about everything. Do the least amount of work that they can get away with. And are always looking for a way to sue the company over anything. Showing up on time is seen by them to be an inconvenience and calling in sick is mandatory.

it's a poor workman who blames his tools.

 

[tigerbob]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

I just got a neg rep from WillowTree because of my post above.

Obviously she has never had to be a supervisor over american workers; especially minority (and I use the term loosely) "workers"

They just want to collect a check. They bitch and moan about everything. Do the least amount of work that they can get away with. And are always looking for a way to sue the company over anything. Showing up on time is seen by them to be an inconvenience and calling in sick is mandatory.

I think it's probably the rather harsh generalization that all Americans are lazy slobs that she objects to.

 

[Screaming Eagle]

I've had good luck with immigrant workers from Latin America, just not ones from Mexico.

 

[kyzr]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

Can you tell me what taxes you pay (as a U.S. Citizen, I presume) that I (a green card holder) do not?

It depends on which country you're from and your status. We pay state taxes, city taxes, property taxes, school taxes, SS tax, Medicare tax, etc. Non-citizens don't pay all the taxes we pay, especially if they are from a treaty country. I'd like to follow the French model as explained on a previous post...
Non-Resident Aliens main page

 

[Toro]

I say no. Jobs are not a public welfare controlled by the government, yet. This would be a serious infringement on an employer's rights where they aren't even allowed to determine who their employees will be.

You're not considering the tax base. Aliens don't pay the same taxes as citizens. The government needs to pay down the deficit. Employers need to hire qualified citizens first.

What are you talking about?

As a Green Card holder, I fill out all the same forms anyone else does.

I also pay more federal tax than most Americans. My skills are transferable, so I can live anywhere. Xenophobia is a bad way to entice skilled foreigners to come here. Silicon Valley would collapse if all the immigrants went home.

 

[manifold]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

I just got a neg rep from WillowTree because of my post above.

Obviously she has never had to be a supervisor over american workers; especially minority (and I use the term loosely) "workers"

They just want to collect a check. They bitch and moan about everything. Do the least amount of work that they can get away with. And are always looking for a way to sue the company over anything. Showing up on time is seen by them to be an inconvenience and calling in sick is mandatory.

I think it's probably the rather harsh generalization that all Americans are lazy slobs that she objects to.

Where is the best place to hide your money in black household?


Under a pair of workboots.

 

[Barb]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

I just got a neg rep from WillowTree because of my post above.

Obviously she has never had to be a supervisor over american workers; especially minority (and I use the term loosely) "workers"

They just want to collect a check. They bitch and moan about everything. Do the least amount of work that they can get away with. And are always looking for a way to sue the company over anything. Showing up on time is seen by them to be an inconvenience and calling in sick is mandatory.

it's a poor workman who blames his tools.

I got this on the net:

A STUDY AND CRITIQUE OF WHY THE RACE WAS LOST.

A Japanese company (Toyota ) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information,
but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners, and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes, and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices, and bonuses.

The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment.

The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses

and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India.

Sadly, The End.

Author Unknown, but we’re pretty sure it wasn’t management