CDZ Should "Gender IDENTITY" be treated like physical Race/Gender or like Faith Based Affiliation?

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  1. emilynghiem
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    See below for a funny Image taken from a tweet/post going around: image.jpg
    T Shirt" "There are more than Two Genders"
    (available in two sizes: Men's and Women's)

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    On a Serious Note:
    Legally and Constitutionally, how should the issue of Gender Identity (internal) be treated?
    A. like PHYSICAL race/gender that is genetically determined by birth
    B. like freely chosen Faith Based Affiliation that doesn't have to be proven scientifically
    but remains the free choice and belief of the individual, similar to protection of one's religious exercise
    C. like a disability, where someone may need ACCOMMODATIONS and shouldn't be discriminated against

    Which do you feel is the most consistent approach, that causes the least legal imposition or abuses?

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    Treat it as a mental defect and stop coddling them
     
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    Okay one vote for Disability.
    Thanks SassyIrishLass
    are you willing to lobby govt officials to invest money into medical research
    for Spiritual Healing to prove such unnatural conditions can be healed for free?
    Would that help prove there is a cause, effect and cure of "mentally ill" conditions such as these?
     
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    No. I think about 99% of them use it for attention. They're on their own

    It's like these goofball parents claiming their 3 y/o boy is really a little girl. Horseshit, a 3 y/o can't begin to come to that conclusion. It's parents being attention whores and the child is going to suffer a lifetime
     
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    It should be treated as a mental disorder...because that is what it is...
     
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    Well SassyIrishLass for such a small % "on their own" they managed
    to ignite a national movement to threaten to oppress the rights and free choice of the other 90%+

    Do you think it would help to use science to PROVE your point, so yours has more standing than theirs,
    and that without proof, you are just as "faith based" as their beliefs and arguments?

    If you don't see your position as "faith based" without proof,
    then that's similar to why they think the same.

    My point still stands, where I vote for "faith based" since not everyone believes the same,
    nor believes that proof is possible and/or necessary.

    But yes I do agree that your point is a SUBSET of the cases out there, and we will
    need to "accommodate" people of different beliefs. But if you don't believe or agree with
    "accommodations" for an attention-grabbing problem, then wouldn't we still have to apply
    SCIENCE to PROVE which cases are just personality issues and which IF ANY are truly valid gender dysphoria
    whether these can be healed or not. In order to stop the encroachment on the rights and beliefs of others,
    by this insistence on treating gender dysphoric conditions as a "genetic birth condition like race"
    wouldn't it HELP to have scientific proof?
     
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    Well I see you posted a huge irony of the "gender bender" movement.

    Well gender roles is what defines people, being a woman you expect to be treated differently than if you were a man. We have laws that are gender specific, so now if man identifies as a woman, should they be treated as a women by the law?

    So will the laws reflect this? Will women now not be able to claim battery when they fight with their spouse?

    In CA the woman gets half the assets, so how does that apply to two men or two whatever gender they say they are?

    Many laws that protect only women, how will that work if the woman identifies as a man?
     
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    Thanks Rambunctious Ditto to you and to SassyIrishLass
    if we don't have scientific proof of the cause and cure of disorder,
    isn't the belief that these are disorders "faith based" just as
    the belief that people are identifying as opposite genders than their physical birth?
     
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    Meh, pedophiles are supposedly "born that way" going to coddle their perverted asses also?

    It's all horseshit...all the sudden "gender confused people" numbers exploded. Gee....like a fad, eh?
     
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    My opinion on gender identity and reassignment is not faith based...you are not what you think you are....you are what you are...
     
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