Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Syriusly]

Churches are religious institutions that exist to spread the word of whatever God they worship.
Businesses exist to make money and get rich, not promote some spiritual and moral agenda.

The two clearly aren't the same.

Yes, they aren't. A person's faith is protected Constitutionally.

Not to the extent that they can ignore any law they wish..

Passively refusing to promote homosexuality is Kim Davis' right as a Christian who knows the dire warnings of Jude 1 and what the Pope just re-asserted late September...

No court has ever found that Kim Davis has the right to use the State to impose her religious views on people who don't share them. Every court to hear her case has found that she is in violation of the constitution.

So you're stuck with no constitutional violation of Kim's rights. While Kim violates other people's rights. Are you starting to see why your pseudo-legal claims have nothing to do with any legal outcome.

Um, ever?

You may have forgotten so I'll remind you once again of the false premise. Homosexuals aren't a race of people. They are just people doing aberrent things strictly forbidden in the Bible.

A strawman that might have some relevance if I'd argued that gays are a race. Which I never did.

Try again. This time without the fallacies of logic.

Marriage should immediately be separated from the state.. Period.

Well good luck with that.

No indication that Americans want to do that.

Especially the millions of Americans who marry through civil ceremonies.

 

[Syriusly]

Rodishi continues to speak of things she understandeth not. She is like those who listen to Jesus below and amazed

Mark 12: 17 Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.

Romans 13: 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

You are not my governing authority God is. Now where in the constitution of this great country says you have a right to lie and not be called on it.

I already told you God created a Rod of destruction and a Rod of correction. You seem to like the Rod of destruction better so go for it but do not include me in.

You serve your own not Jehovah as you try to twist the Word to fit your own desires.

You ignore Romans- because you don't actually believe the words of the Bible.

Because if you believed the actual words of the Bible- then you would not advocate disobeying authority any more than you would advocate disobeying God- because according to Romans- they are the same thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

 

[beagle9]

Churches are religious institutions that exist to spread the word of whatever God they worship.
Businesses exist to make money and get rich, not promote some spiritual and moral agenda.

The two clearly aren't the same.

Yes, they aren't. A person's faith is protected Constitutionally. The right to do trade with this or that person isn't. And neither is the "right" to force a Christian to abdicate their faith to passively refuse to accomodate anyone's behavior that is forbidden under penalty of eternal soul death in the Bible. (see Jude 1 for details)

Jude says no such thing.

But Paul says that Christians- including if she is one- Ms. Davis- should obey authority- because all authority comes from God.

The words are about as specific as Paul has ever gotten. Paul for instance never said "Do not engage in homosexuals relationships"- but Paul very specifically said to obey authority.

Why obey authority?

Because all authority comes from God. Why do you resist listening to Paul- for these specific instructions?

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority?
Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.
For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Nowhere does Paul say "Christians don't have to obey authority"- Paul says 'Christians who disobey authority disobey God'

Authority is either sanctioned by God or it is not... There will be false prophets and teachers who will mislead the people, and Christians are under no illusions upon whom these people are when they reveal themselves.

Being stuck in this idea that people should be placed into bondage by authority, and then God therefore is somehow blanketly sanctioning this is wrong. The word is clear on these things, but the word will be added to or taken from in order to try and fool the people with, and I think that is what is taking place in here big time regarding this issue.

 

[beagle9]

Rodishi continues to speak of things she understandeth not. She is like those who listen to Jesus below and amazed

Mark 12: 17 Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.

Romans 13: 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

You are not my governing authority God is. Now where in the constitution of this great country says you have a right to lie and not be called on it.

I already told you God created a Rod of destruction and a Rod of correction. You seem to like the Rod of destruction better so go for it but do not include me in.

You serve your own not Jehovah as you try to twist the Word to fit your own desires.

You ignore Romans- because you don't actually believe the words of the Bible.

Because if you believed the actual words of the Bible- then you would not advocate disobeying authority any more than you would advocate disobeying God- because according to Romans- they are the same thing.

You leave out the full interpretation of these words written, but of course you do.

 

[beagle9]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

 

[beagle9]

Rodishi continues to speak of things she understandeth not. She is like those who listen to Jesus below and amazed

Mark 12: 17 Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.

Romans 13: 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

You are not my governing authority God is. Now where in the constitution of this great country says you have a right to lie and not be called on it. I already told you God created a Rod of destruction and a Rod of correction. You seem to like the Rod of destruction better so go for it but do not include me in. You serve your own not Jehovah as you try to twist the Word to fit your own desires.

Seek not to counsel St. Mark, who writes the words of Jesus, or St. Paul. The words of the Lord and the apostles are clear and correct. Submit to authority, for authority is of God. If authority is evil, then the judgement is from God, not Rodishi.

You are not an authority on the interpretation of the word as it is written, so you are speaking only to those who may be fooled by you, and you may be speaking only onto yourself.

 

[Syriusly]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

 

[Syriusly]

Rodishi continues to speak of things she understandeth not. She is like those who listen to Jesus below and amazed

Mark 12: 17 Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.

Romans 13: 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

You are not my governing authority God is. Now where in the constitution of this great country says you have a right to lie and not be called on it.

I already told you God created a Rod of destruction and a Rod of correction. You seem to like the Rod of destruction better so go for it but do not include me in.

You serve your own not Jehovah as you try to twist the Word to fit your own desires.

You ignore Romans- because you don't actually believe the words of the Bible.

Because if you believed the actual words of the Bible- then you would not advocate disobeying authority any more than you would advocate disobeying God- because according to Romans- they are the same thing.

You leave out the full interpretation of these words written, but of course you do.

"interpretation'?

You mean men twisting the words of God to suit their agenda?

I have had enough homophobes pretending to be Christians twist the words of Paul when it comes to homosexuals- are you also going to ignore the clear- and unequivocal words of Paul when it comes to obeying authority?

If you can ignore those words- 'i.e. interpret' their true meaning- well then the words in the Bible are virtually just babble for you to interpret anyway you want. You can interpret Jesus as saying he blesses corporations and owning Browning .50 calibers, or stealing from the poor to give to the rich.

Anyway- I am used to faux Christians 'cherry picking' from the Bible- ignoring the clear instructions of the New Testament is not big surprise.

 

[Syriusly]

Churches are religious institutions that exist to spread the word of whatever God they worship.
Businesses exist to make money and get rich, not promote some spiritual and moral agenda.

The two clearly aren't the same.

Yes, they aren't. A person's faith is protected Constitutionally. The right to do trade with this or that person isn't. And neither is the "right" to force a Christian to abdicate their faith to passively refuse to accomodate anyone's behavior that is forbidden under penalty of eternal soul death in the Bible. (see Jude 1 for details)

Jude says no such thing.

But Paul says that Christians- including if she is one- Ms. Davis- should obey authority- because all authority comes from God.

The words are about as specific as Paul has ever gotten. Paul for instance never said "Do not engage in homosexuals relationships"- but Paul very specifically said to obey authority.

Why obey authority?

Because all authority comes from God. Why do you resist listening to Paul- for these specific instructions?

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority?
Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.
For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Nowhere does Paul say "Christians don't have to obey authority"- Paul says 'Christians who disobey authority disobey God'

Authority is either sanctioned by God or it is not...

Paul doesn't say 'or it is not'

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Paul says all authority comes from God.

You just want to ignore authority when you disagree with it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

Marriage is not a state function.

No church has to register a marriage with the state. The FLDS, as an example, marry all the time without the state being involved.

If the couple want the governmental perks and reciprocaties and obligations that go with state-recognized marriage, then it must be registered.

So the state uses bribery to draw people in or to force people to come through it in order to make the rules apply to it, and that it so wants to in regards to it eh ?

I don't think the states are engaged in a plot to make you marry a male, Beagle.

You can register with your wife as a civil union if you want to keep marriage out of it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Churches are religious institutions that exist to spread the word of whatever God they worship.
Businesses exist to make money and get rich, not promote some spiritual and moral agenda.

The two clearly aren't the same.

Yes, they aren't. A person's faith is protected Constitutionally. The right to do trade with this or that person isn't. And neither is the "right" to force a Christian to abdicate their faith to passively refuse to accomodate anyone's behavior that is forbidden under penalty of eternal soul death in the Bible. (see Jude 1 for details)

Jude says no such thing.

But Paul says that Christians- including if she is one- Ms. Davis- should obey authority- because all authority comes from God.

The words are about as specific as Paul has ever gotten. Paul for instance never said "Do not engage in homosexuals relationships"- but Paul very specifically said to obey authority.

Why obey authority?

Because all authority comes from God. Why do you resist listening to Paul- for these specific instructions?

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority?
Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.
For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Nowhere does Paul say "Christians don't have to obey authority"- Paul says 'Christians who disobey authority disobey God'

Authority is either sanctioned by God or it is not... There will be false prophets and teachers who will mislead the people, and Christians are under no illusions upon whom these people are when they reveal themselves.

Being stuck in this idea that people should be placed into bondage by authority, and then God therefore is somehow blanketly sanctioning this is wrong. The word is clear on these things, but the word will be added to or taken from in order to try and fool the people with, and I think that is what is taking place in here big time regarding this issue.

No one thinks God "is blanketly sanctioning" sin, beagle. God is ordering society so that more evil does not take place, and if those in authority do evil, the blame is on them. So you can say that SCOTUS is under blame by God.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rodishi continues to speak of things she understandeth not. She is like those who listen to Jesus below and amazed

Mark 12: 17 Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.

Romans 13: 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

You are not my governing authority God is. Now where in the constitution of this great country says you have a right to lie and not be called on it. I already told you God created a Rod of destruction and a Rod of correction. You seem to like the Rod of destruction better so go for it but do not include me in. You serve your own not Jehovah as you try to twist the Word to fit your own desires.

Seek not to counsel St. Mark, who writes the words of Jesus, or St. Paul. The words of the Lord and the apostles are clear and correct. Submit to authority, for authority is of God. If authority is evil, then the judgement is from God, not Rodishi.

You are not an authority on the interpretation of the word as it is written, so you are speaking only to those who may be fooled by you, and you may be speaking only onto yourself.

I am in line with the great majority of religious commentaries on these scriptures.

You simply don't like them and place yourself about Mark and Paul, wishing to counsel God.

Not wise.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

Marriage is not a state function.

No church has to register a marriage with the state. The FLDS, as an example, marry all the time without the state being involved.

If the couple want the governmental perks and reciprocaties and obligations that go with state-recognized marriage, then it must be registered.

So the state uses bribery to draw people in or to force people to come through it in order to make the rules apply to it, and that it so wants to in regards to it eh ?

I don't think the states are engaged in a plot to make you marry a male, Beagle.

You can register with your wife as a civil union if you want to keep marriage out of it.

 

[beagle9]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

No specific date can be alluded to, because it has been an eroding of the state and mans mind over a long period of time now, but it is following exactly the words that were written over 2000 years ago to the T.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

No specific date can be alluded to, because it has been an eroding of the state and mans mind over a long period of time now, but it is following exactly the words that were written over 2000 years ago to the T.

Your comment is far too general to be useful at all other than as a statement of your opinion. The corollary to your statement is that you want your religion to run the state. That is a violation of the Constitution.

 

[Syriusly]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

No specific date can be alluded to, because it has been an eroding of the state and mans mind over a long period of time now, but it is following exactly the words that were written over 2000 years ago to the T.

Ah yes- the prophecies.

Believed by every generation to represent their current generation.

Going all the way back to Roman Christians.

 

[beagle9]

Churches are religious institutions that exist to spread the word of whatever God they worship.
Businesses exist to make money and get rich, not promote some spiritual and moral agenda.

The two clearly aren't the same.

Yes, they aren't. A person's faith is protected Constitutionally. The right to do trade with this or that person isn't. And neither is the "right" to force a Christian to abdicate their faith to passively refuse to accomodate anyone's behavior that is forbidden under penalty of eternal soul death in the Bible. (see Jude 1 for details)

Jude says no such thing.

But Paul says that Christians- including if she is one- Ms. Davis- should obey authority- because all authority comes from God.

The words are about as specific as Paul has ever gotten. Paul for instance never said "Do not engage in homosexuals relationships"- but Paul very specifically said to obey authority.

Why obey authority?

Because all authority comes from God. Why do you resist listening to Paul- for these specific instructions?

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority?
Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good.
But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.
For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Nowhere does Paul say "Christians don't have to obey authority"- Paul says 'Christians who disobey authority disobey God'

Authority is either sanctioned by God or it is not...

Paul doesn't say 'or it is not'

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Paul says all authority comes from God.

You just want to ignore authority when you disagree with it.

For there is no authority except by God in which he approves of, but there are those who will highjack the authority positions in which God had approved of, and therefore they become the rulers of terror upon that which is good, instead being a terror upon that which is bad. God warns stearnly about these rulers, and he warns them of their bad deeds in which they so choose to use against the people who are in subjection to authority.

 

[beagle9]

Any type of religious ceremony or traditional religious ceremony as with the uniting of one man and one woman in marriage, should immediately be separated from state control, and placed back in it's rightful place to represent that which is good in the eyes of God, because it has been highjacked while it was under (what use to be a trusted state control) where it was adopted somehow by the state for various reasons in which once was good. The state being seized by various forces now, has made that a mistake to give the state control over some institutions in these ways.

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

No specific date can be alluded to, because it has been an eroding of the state and mans mind over a long period of time now, but it is following exactly the words that were written over 2000 years ago to the T.

Your comment is far too general to be useful at all other than as a statement of your opinion. The corollary to your statement is that you want your religion to run the state. That is a violation of the Constitution.

No it's just that the state should not be placing demands on the citizens in which robs them of their freedoms to be in compliance to that which they believe. This can be done differently, but their are those who want God to be derailed in this nation now, and they are using the state as a strong arm to erode those things that were, and all in order to get a broader agenda in place and finally done.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So you are okay with polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage- so long as it is part of a religious ceremony?

People can call anything a religious ceremony, but there are only those that truly represent the true God that should be honored and recognized. The state once had this ability until it was taken over by devils. There was no problem until that happened.

LOL- and when did the state get taken over by 'devils'?

A specific date would be apreciated- because I want to see exactly what you consider to be 'no problem' before that point in time.

No specific date can be alluded to, because it has been an eroding of the state and mans mind over a long period of time now, but it is following exactly the words that were written over 2000 years ago to the T.

Your comment is far too general to be useful at all other than as a statement of your opinion. The corollary to your statement is that you want your religion to run the state. That is a violation of the Constitution.

No it's just that the state should not be placing demands on the citizens in which robs them of their freedoms to be in compliance to that which they believe. This can be done differently, but their are those who want God to be derailed in this nation now, and they are using the state as a strong arm to erode those things that were, and all in order to get a broader agenda in place and finally done.

That's your opinion, and I am sure the anti-Godists are attempting to do that as are the Sovereignists attempting to instill a Christian state.

Both are on the wrong track.