Should Army National Guard Troops Shoot Illegal Border Crossers ?

[danielpalos]

There has to be a dividing line in this and I don't envy the soldiers or their commanders faced with the delima. They are invaders and should be turned back, with force if necessary.There are serious agitators within this group and they will do what they can to create violence, hiding behind women and children like so many gutless thugs do.I do not envy the president. He's really got a problem with this and we will see how he handles it through the various governors and their subordinates.

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Someday, when you become president, you can call on congress and have them declared as "invaders" with orders to shoot to kill. Until then, it's murder.

That's YOUR leftist/progressive term.

in·vad·er
/inˈvādər/
noun
plural noun: invaders
a person or group that invades a country, region, or other place.
"it is a country that has repelled all invaders"
synonyms: attacker, aggressor, raider, marauder; More

we have a Commerce Clause; only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[Crepitus]

if needed to repel an invasion

central America said that in the latest caravan

headed this way they caught 100 ISIS members

Central America said that?

fuck you shit for brains

lazy libtrards like you can NEVER do your own research

100 ISIS Terrorists Caught in Guatemala as Central American Caravan Heads to U.S. - Judicial Watch

Don't be stupider than you have to be. No-one has said any of those were with this caravan. They were just in the same country. By that logic you are a terrorist too.

 

[danielpalos]

/----/ Only if the illegals invaders shoot first and have it recorded on 1,000 iphones. Otherwise just block them from entering.

Block them yes, and that's probably all that will be needed, if they see thousands of heavily armed Army National Guard in front of them. They'll be frozen, and eventually turn back and maybe look for Mexico to take them in.

If they're really stupid though, and mount a mass charge across the border, they could be decimated.

if we can mass the militia for that....We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[Crepitus]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

TRump set it up. Getting the base fired up.

First you say that Trump is dumber than dirt
Now you say he set up this whole fiasco.
Make up your mind

I have! This is a really stupid plan that has his finger prints all over it.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump has a following of suckers and dim wits who worship the bullshit that flows from his evil lying mouth. So much, that as seen in this thread, the murder of innocent people, particularly unarmed women, and children are being justified simply by redefining and distorting the definitions of a few words like "invasion" and "hostile".

There is no REdefine. The words have always meant what they mean, and still do. Defending the USA is not murder. Earlier I posted that you would call sailors "murderers", who shot at Japanese planes attacking Pearl Harbor, if they killed those pilots ?

the right wing is too cheap to declare an actual State of War and to raise taxes to wartime rates.

 

[danielpalos]

When I served in the Army National Guard, I was told the first duty of the Army National Guard is to do what the name "National Guard" clearly states > to guard the nation. And the first priority of that is to stop foreigners from invading the USA.

And the definition of invading

? > "to enter forcibly or hostilely" (Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.) Well, the caravaners already entered Mexico, from Guatemala, forcibly, and one could call it hostilely, being that it's disrespecting Mexico's immigration and border law. In doing so, the border crossers tore down fences and physical barriers.

There's no doubt that the thousands of people in this caravan have exactly that same thing in mind for the United States. The solution to stop them, according to my National Guard officers is to meet the force with greater force, and use whatever force is necessary to stop and repel the invaders.

Since an effective border wall is not yet in place or electrified fencing, barbed wire, etc, this would mean possibly shooting hundreds of the caravaners, gassing them at the border, or possibly even using artillery. The military has its job to do, the question is can (and should) we allow Honduras, Guatemala and other countries to invade us ?​

No....they are not trying to take over the U.S.....they should be captured and put in prison just like any other criminal.

They would live better in our prisons than they would in their own country.

You may be right. With the exception of quasi-socialistic Costa Rica, capitalism has been a disaster for Central America. BTW, we don`t put people in prison for misdemeanors.

Capitalism is not the problem.

One needs to study the history and economies of countries from the time Spain and Portugal took them over. They are rife with 17th and 18th century traditions that set ridiculous limitations on the commerce sections. It is indemic to Hispanic culture and modernization has done little or nothing to rectify it. Add corruption and things only worsen.

Think about this. The USA is programmed to give over $65 million in aid to Honduras in 2019. Just where the hell does it go? How much of it ends up in the hands of bureaucrats and politicians instead of going where it's supposed to.

I think the president should immediately seek authority to withdraw every penny of that foreign aid and demand a full accounting for the money Honduras has already received.

lousy management is always a problem. why are we losing money on border policy?

 

[OldLady]

My brother is National Guard and he would no more shoot someone crossing the border than he would shoot you.

So quickly they forget : Think back to Kent State

I do, every time I hear one of these crazy ass ideas about shooting illegals at the border. That was a national tragedy. Never should have happened.
Our military pretty much knows better than to fire on unarmed civilians.

 

[bornright]

Our military should defend themselves and if the mob of illegals charge to border yes they should be shot. I hope they are stopped in Mexico and it does not come to that.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

It would be sickening if it came to that, but this invasion has to be stopped or we're going to eventually lose our country folks to the third-world.

If you're a middle-class American and have a nice job, home, family, all those things that have made most Americans love their country, could all slip away if we do not act.

 

[danielpalos]

It would be sickening if it came to that, but this invasion has to be stopped or we're going to eventually lose our country folks to the third-world.

If you're a middle-class American and have a nice job, home, family, all those things that have made most Americans love their country, could all slip away if we do not act.

end our alleged wars on drugs and terror; they only create more refugees for the right wing to complain about.

 

[dblack]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

 

[dblack]

Clearly our military needs to train its weapons on the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. Mow 'em down!

Police shoot criminals every day.
And you won’t have to mow’em down. First give a warning shot, if that doesn’t work then you shot one in the leg,if they don’t get the message by then and they keep coming then shot the lead illegal in the head and watch the rest go back home. That’s only one crippled and one dead.

Can we still cut up the dead guy's body?

 

[Desperado]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

 

[dblack]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

What makes you think I'm a socialist?

 

[RodISHI]

Dang some people are sure ignorant or blind as they get those sympathy cards pulled out trying to make president Trump, patriots and any supporters of sovereignty look like mean assholes. Perhaps they just have Alzheimer's or some form of dementia. I am sure at least some of them must have seen the recruitment's of the little ones for the Hamas and Taliban summer camps for their future martyrs (teaching young children how to) prior to youtube pulling most of them.

 

[Political Junky]

No, they are seeking refuge which is perfectly legal. Fools who listen to Fox won't accept that.

. Refuge from what? Being poor? Where do our country's destitute flee to?

Like I said, fools.

 

[danielpalos]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

What makes you think I'm a socialist?

he is to the right of You, and he has no argument.

 

[dblack]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

What makes you think I'm a socialist?

he is to the right of You, and he has no argument.

The whole right and left thing is a farce. I'm for economic freedom. It's telling that, to Trumpsters, that spells "socialist".

 

[danielpalos]

Also makes you wonder about the timing. This fiasco set off just before the midterms.
Makes you wonder who (Soros?) is funding this.
The only way this could backfire is if Trump does nothing and the immigrants are allow in the US.

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

What makes you think I'm a socialist?

he is to the right of You, and he has no argument.

The whole right and left thing is a farce. I'm for economic freedom. It's telling that, to Trumpsters, that spells "socialist".

i prefer to try to convince either party or the democrats of left wing ideology and the federal doctrine.

we can get, doctrinal, with the federal doctrine.

 

[dblack]

I dunno. There might be rogue agents.

Then only rogue agents here are un American socialists like you

What makes you think I'm a socialist?

he is to the right of You, and he has no argument.

The whole right and left thing is a farce. I'm for economic freedom. It's telling that, to Trumpsters, that spells "socialist".

i prefer to try to convince either party or the democrats of left wing ideology and the federal doctrine.

we can get, doctrinal, with the federal doctrine.

And you're off to the races ...

I suppose all your rambling makes sense to you at some level. Seriously though, it's not persuasive - or even intelligible.