Shopping Trips Do Not Include Wal-Mart

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Shopping Plans Don't Include A Stop at Wal-Mart
By Ted Rueter, Herald-Times
July 15, 2005

Wal-Mart is the world's largest corporation, having recently surpassed General Motors and ExxonMobil. In 2003, it took in nearly $250 billion in revenue - more than the entire GDP of Israel and Ireland combined.

It generates nearly $7 billion a year in profits. It has 4,400 stores worldwide - 3,600 of them in the United States. It is the world's largest employer, with 1.3 million "associates." It is the world's biggest seller of groceries, jewelry, photo processing, dog food and vitamins - and it's now moving into gasoline, banking, used cars, flower delivery and Internet access. Five of the 10 richest people in the world are Waltons.

I have never spent a dime at Wal-Mart. And I never will. Why? Let me count the ways:

• Wal-Mart pays low wages. In 2001, Wal-Mart sales clerks earned an average of $8.23 an hour, or $13,861 a year. That's nearly $800 below the federal poverty line for a family of three.

• Employees receive no health-care benefits unless they have worked for the company for two years. With a turnover rate average above 50 percent a year, only 38 percent of Wal-Mart's employees have health-care coverage.

• Wal-Mart employees in Georgia are nearly six times more likely to rely on state-provided health care than are employees of other large companies.

• Each year in California, reliance on public assistance programs by Wal-Mart workers costs the state's taxpayers $86 million.

• Wal-Mart destroys local businesses. Wal-Mart practices "predatory pricing." They come into a community and sell their products at below cost until they have driven local firms out of business. Prices go up once they have captured the market. An Iowa State University study found that in the first decade after Wal-Mart arrived, the state lost 111 men's and boys' apparel stores, 116 drug stores, 153 shoe stores, 158 women's apparel stores, 161 variety stores, 293 building supply stores, 298 hardware stores and 555 grocery stores.

• The company boasts that 70 percent of its employees are full time, but it counts anyone working 28 hours a week or more as "full time."

• Wal-Mart portrays itself as super-patriotic - but every year, Wal-Mart purchases $15 billion worth of products from China. Wal-Mart uses over 3,000 Chinese factories to produce its goods. It is the world's largest importer of Chinese-made products.

• The company is the record-holder for the most suits filed against it by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. It had to pay a $750,000 fine for blatant discrimination in Arizona against the disabled. An incensed judge ordered them to air commercials confessing their guilt!

• Wal-Mart is rabidly anti-union. Officials stand ready to jump on a corporate jet on a moment's notice to bust whispers of union organizing. For example, when 11 meat cutters at the Super-Center in Jacksonville, Texas, signed union cards, Wal-Mart announced that it was closing its meatcutting operations in all stores; from now on, it would buy its meat prepackaged from companies using nonunion labor. Wal-Mart would rather close an entire operation than allow unionization.

• Nearly 1 million women are involved in the nation's largest class action lawsuit against a corporation. While women comprise over 65 percent of Wal-Mart's work force, only 10 percent of them are managers. On average, the women who become store managers make $16,400 a year less than the men.

• Wal-Mart has been cited by the National Labor Relations Board for numerous labor law violations, including illegal spying on employees, falsifying time cards to avoid paying overtime, fraudulent record keeping and illegal firings for union organizing.

The next time you're tempted to go to Wal-Mart for the convenience and the low, low prices, don't. Economic justice, community sustainability, workers' rights, gender equality and the American national interest are all far more important.
 
Another baseless Wal-Mart attack piece.... geeze... isn't this getting old? Wal-Mart wouldn't be donig so well and wouldn't have people waiting in line for jobs if they were even half as bad as the rabid left and union organizations make them out to be. They aren't liked ONLY because they are anti-union. So what? They have that right. Contrary to popular belief, this is not YET a socialist country. But I guess if some have their way, we will be. Then those folks can work for vouchers to go to their local store to get whatever rations of the week the government will allow.

Get real.
 
freeandfun1 said:
Another baseless Wal-Mart attack piece.... geeze... isn't this getting old? Wal-Mart wouldn't be donig so well and wouldn't have people waiting in line for jobs if they were even half as bad as the rabid left and union organizations make them out to be. They aren't liked ONLY because they are anti-union. So what? They have that right. Contrary to popular belief, this is not YET a socialist country. But I guess if some have their way, we will be. Then those folks can work for vouchers to go to their local store to get whatever rations of the week the government will allow.

Get real.

On this we agree. Just about all the Walmarts I've been in, hire teens and women, sure there are a few men, many of whom are retired cops. (No, I'm NOT kidding.)

Not all women certainly, but I would guess most, have insurance under their husband's coverage. Ditto for the teens.

As for 50% turnover, what do you think McD's, GAP, etc are? They too tend towards min. wage, paying medical only to those over 32 hours per week. Bet those are few and far between.
 
Kathianne said:
On this we agree. Just about all the Walmarts I've been in, hire teens and women, sure there are a few men, many of whom are retired cops. (No, I'm NOT kidding.)

Not all women certainly, but I would guess most, have insurance under their husband's coverage. Ditto for the teens.

As for 50% turnover, what do you think McD's, GAP, etc are? They too tend towards min. wage, paying medical only to those over 32 hours per week. Bet those are few and far between.
I get so tired of seeing these tired old attack pieces.

If you open the phone book here in Vegas, there are over 600 different Von's, Albertson's, and Smith's Grocery stores, 100's of Home Depots, 100's of Lowe's, etc. but nobody ever complains about them. There are 2 Sam's Clubs in Vegas but four Costco stores... Costco is a HUGE DNC contributor, so of course, they never get attacked.
 
Pretty much everything in the original post is true. And has been the case for several years.
However, Wal-Mart is no worse than many fast food places. McDonalds has actually fired workers for calling in sick. Only their stated reason is "insubordination" -- the employee refused to follow orders to come to work.
Starbucks is a much more predatory workplace than Wal-Mart ever will be. The Starbucks chain is known to open locations close to major competitors, force them out of business, then close up and move to a more favorable location. The CVC drug chain does much the same thing.

Places like Wal-Mart will ALWAYS flourish, because they offer employment. If you don't have a job and seriously need one, you are willing to put up with a lot of things.
People will always shop at places like Wal-Mart because of the low prices. If you work long hours for little money, you want someplace that has low prices and is open 24 hours.

And yes, some of us protest people are tremendously hypocritical. I kept up with a long-standing fight that Austin residents had trying to keep a Super Wal-Mart from opening. After finally losing the fight, the residents predicted that the store would fail because no one would patronize it, and called for a boycott to get their point across. During the opening week, the police had to control traffic because the store and parking lot were so overcrowded.
 
$8.23 for standing behind a giant calculater that does all the work for you? You just have to put stuff in to a bag?

I'd say that's pretty damn good..

What do you *think* such a mindless job should pay?
 
Shattered said:
$8.23 for standing behind a giant calculater that does all the work for you? You just have to put stuff in to a bag?

I'd say that's pretty damn good..

What do you *think* such a mindless job should pay?

And let's not forget the "self-serve" lines where you scan, bag, and pay for everything there.

Oh..there is one person watching..in case the paper receipt jams or something.
 
GotZoom said:
And let's not forget the "self-serve" lines where you scan, bag, and pay for everything there.

Oh..there is one person watching..in case the paper receipt jams or something.

Good point.. I wonder how much that job pays.. Changing receipt paper is MUCH more difficult than reading a display of numbers...
 
Shattered said:
Good point.. I wonder how much that job pays.. Changing receipt paper is MUCH more difficult than reading a display of numbers...

They do have to keep the plastic bags stocked though.

All that walking....
 
Shattered said:
$8.23 for standing behind a giant calculater that does all the work for you? You just have to put stuff in to a bag?

I'd say that's pretty damn good..

What do you *think* such a mindless job should pay?


however I will admitt I do shop there from time to time...2cycle oil for the boat is really cheap compared to the boat shops...and miscellaneous auto supplies and hardware are good deals too....!
 
http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/walmart/walmart_1.cfm
I apologize in advance if this article came from this site. I'm not trying to take anyones thunder. I don't remember where I got it, but it definitely wasn't off the AFL-CIO site because I don't go there. I don't agree, disagree, or even know if it is true. I will say this. I have been in Wal-Mart 3 times in my life and twice they threatened to call the police on me. In my opinion the clerks were rude and I got rude back. When Sam was alive he refused to have foreign junk in his stores and my wife shopped there. If he needed a product and couldn't find it, he would help set someone up in business in the United States to produce it. I also realize that "one monkey don't make no show", but I do everything in my power to keep things that comes from Wal-Mart out of my home. I would rather pay twice the price for an item than get it from them.
 
Merlin said:
http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/walmart/walmart_1.cfm
I apologize in advance if this article came from this site. I'm not trying to take anyones thunder. I don't remember where I got it, but it definitely wasn't off the AFL-CIO site because I don't go there. I don't agree, disagree, or even know if it is true. I will say this. I have been in Wal-Mart 3 times in my life and twice they threatened to call the police on me. In my opinion the clerks were rude and I got rude back. When Sam was alive he refused to have foreign junk in his stores and my wife shopped there. If he needed a product and couldn't find it, he would help set someone up in business in the United States to produce it. I also realize that "one monkey don't make no show", but I do everything in my power to keep things that comes from Wal-Mart out of my home. <b>I would rather pay twice the price for an item than get it from them.</b>

Why? America wants a service, and someone provided it. I can pretty much guarantee that if it were *you* who was providing it, you'd have no qualms about continuing to do so, given the amount of money you'd be making. Oh, and if you have a Super Walmart, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if your wife still shops there, and you just don't know it. Food, games, household items, CD's, plants, pharmacy, bank, open 24 hours... etc.. who could ask for more in one place. :D

(You'll notice I left out clothes, jewelry, and audio/visual equipment - those suck, so I prefer to leave them in the store, and shop elsewhere for them.)
 
Shattered said:
Why? America wants a service, and someone provided it. I can pretty much guarantee that if it were *you* who was providing it, you'd have no qualms about continuing to do so, given the amount of money you'd be making. Oh, and if you have a Super Walmart, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if your wife still shops there, and you just don't know it. Food, games, household items, CD's, plants, pharmacy, bank, open 24 hours... etc.. who could ask for more in one place. :D

(You'll notice I left out clothes, jewelry, and audio/visual equipment - those suck, so I prefer to leave them in the store, and shop elsewhere for them.)
LOL. You are 100% right in some of your statement. "If it were me". Thats all we have is Super Wal-Mart. Don't mention Wal-Mart to my wife. She gets so mad when I do that she wants to pull my arm off and beat me to death with it. She doesn't like it half as well as I do. Yes, there are more people that wants them than don't want them. I think that has been established. But in "my opinion", it is a blight on society. Don't worry though, I can't close them down or I already would have. But a little in their defense, I won't shop at any conglomerate. Wal-Mart happens to be the number one on my non shopping list.
 
Merlin said:
LOL. You are 100% right in some of your statement. "If it were me". Thats all we have is Super Wal-Mart. Don't mention Wal-Mart to my wife. She gets so mad when I do that she wants to pull my arm off and beat me to death with it. She doesn't like it half as well as I do. Yes, there are more people that wants them than don't want them. I think that has been established. But in "my opinion", it is a blight on society. Don't worry though, I can't close them down or I already would have. But a little in their defense, I won't shop at any conglomerate. Wal-Mart happens to be the number one on my non shopping list.

Kohl's is trying to take over Target; Boston Store is trying to take over Kohl's..Pick & Save is trying to beat out Sentry, and so on.. Everyone's trying to overpower everyone else.. So... where DO you shop? (I didn't even put K-Mart in the running, since they're still so close to bankruptcy that it's not even worth it.)
 
Shattered said:
Kohl's is trying to take over Target; Boston Store is trying to take over Kohl's..Pick & Save is trying to beat out Sentry, and so on.. Everyone's trying to overpower everyone else.. So... where DO you shop? (I didn't even put K-Mart in the running, since they're still so close to bankruptcy that it's not even worth it.)
We're fortunate enough to have everything we need in the small town that we live in. Well, most everything. The supermarket and hardware stores we shop at is owned by families that I have known 60 years or more. For garden supply's there is a Feed & Seed store that has been there since 1947 and has a large variety of stuff, including harness and plows for you mule if you have one. (I was at their grand opening by the way) There is one thing more about conglomerates that irritates me. There are no personal interface. We still have a couple of stores that if you want to go pick up a few things you can tell the cashier "add this up. I forgot my wallet, or, I don't have enough cash till next week, catch you then". When we travel we still try to patronize the smaller stores. Sometimes it's not feasible, but it won't be Wal-Mart.
 
The claims made by the reporter in this article against Wal-Mart can't be disputed and are a few of the reasons Wal-Mart is able to undercut their competition, but the big reason they can keep their prices low and beat out their competition is their business arrangement with China, a communist country and avowed enemy to America. Just remember that when you buy at Wal-Mart to save a few pennies, your money is going to China where it is being used, among other things, to build missiles pointed directly at American cities.

There is a huge trade imbalance between China and America, and Wal-Mart is a huge contributor to this deficit. I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's the last resort, which is to say hardly ever. When Wal-Mart decides to take some of their billions of dollars and start plowing it back into the American economy--say by building production plants to provide the goods needed for their stores--then I would consider shopping there. But this will never happen. They would have to pay American workers more than China pays its workers to produce the same goods, and that would decrease the big bucks going into the Walton coffers each year. Can't have the Waltons falling out of the top five billionaires in the world, you know.
 
Adam's Apple said:
The claims made by the reporter in this article against Wal-Mart can't be disputed and are a few of the reasons Wal-Mart is able to undercut their competition, but the big reason they can keep their prices low and beat out their competition is their business arrangement with China, a communist country and avowed enemy to America. Just remember that when you buy at Wal-Mart to save a few pennies, your money is going to China where it is being used, among other things, to build missiles pointed directly at American cities.

There is a huge trade imbalance between China and America, and Wal-Mart is a huge contributor to this deficit. I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's the last resort, which is to say hardly ever. When Wal-Mart decides to take some of their billions of dollars and start plowing it back into the American economy--say by building production plants to provide the goods needed for their stores--then I would consider shopping there. But this will never happen. They would have to pay American workers more than China pays its workers to produce the same goods, and that would decrease the big bucks going into the Walton coffers each year. Can't have the Waltons falling out of the top five billionaires in the world, you know.
Wal-Mart in the USA buys almost all their products from US companies... sure, the US companies often have their products made overseas (China being a big one), but the actually companies selling to Wal-Mart are US owned. I have a friend right that sells into Wal-Mart. I looked into buying a company outside Houston, TX a couple of years ago that had 50 employees and Wal-Mart was their biggest customer. But everything they sold to Wal-Mart was made in China. So even though the products are made in China, they are 1) creating jobs here and 2) providing those in the lower income brackets to have things that are as nice (at least looking) as some from the middle and upper middle income brackets.

If you think Costco isn't selling shit from China, or K-Mart, or Sears, or whomever, you're frigg'n high. Why pick on Wal-Mart?

Don't forget, Wal-Mart has a few hundred Super Wal-Marts in China already and they are kicking ass there. Those stores in turn create jobs here in America to support them. They might be admin jobs, but hey, and admin job pays better than a cashier job or a job manufacturing toy trucks, it is indoors, worked during normal hours, etc. overall, not that bad.

Your theory or assertation about China holds no water... you are totally forgetting about the 1,000's of stores in America buying stuff made in China. And believe it or not, some of those stores are the "mom and pop" stores everybody is claiming Wal-Mart is putting out of business by buying from China. They want to be able to buy from China, but they bitch when Wal-Mart does.... damn, life's a bitch ain't it!?!
 
I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's the last resort, which is to say hardly ever.

That makes your entire post hypocritical. Fact is, you DO shop there - beit a "last resort" or not, you do shop there. There is nothing there that you can't get elsewhere with a bit of extra driving.

You never answered my question - what DO you think someone standing behind a giant calculator should be making, if more than $8 is too little? It requires no training, no degree, no education of ANY kind. A complete fucking idiot (or monkey) could do it.
 
Shattered said:
<i>I don't shop at Wal-Mart unless it's the last resort, which is to say hardly ever. </i>

That makes your entire post hypocritical. Fact is, you DO shop there - beit a "last resort" or not, you do shop there. There is nothing there that you can't get elsewhere with a bit of extra driving.

You never answered my question - what DO you think someone standing behind a giant calculator should be making, if more than $8 is too little? It requires no training, no degree, no education of ANY kind. A complete fucking idiot (or monkey) could do it.

I don't think that those without a calculator or college degree are complete fucking idiots. With that said, I do think that Walmart, McD's, Home Depot, offer alternatives to those without post HS education, that can be beneficial. That some want to boycott the little guy, makes me upset.

You can't teach, practice law or medicine, or most accounting without a degree. You can't even be a cop or fireman in many municipalities without a degree or proof of armed services time in. Even with armed service, one must return to college for promotion, not a joke.
 
Kathianne said:
<b>I don't think that those without a calculator or college degree are complete fucking idiots.</b> With that said, I do think that Walmart, McD's, Home Depot, offer alternatives to those without post HS education, that can be beneficial. That some want to boycott the little guy, makes me upset.

You can't teach, practice law or medicine, or most accounting without a degree. You can't even be a cop or fireman in many municipalities without a degree or proof of armed services time in. Even with armed service, one must return to college for promotion, not a joke.

I never said all of them were.. But how hard is it to answer a simple question, which is what *should* these people be making without any form of education, and while doing a job that *ANYONE* can do? CNA's in training don't even make that much to start with, and personally, I think that job is a worth a hell of a lot more...
 

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