Shooting at the DC Holocaust Museum

[Shogun]

well. you know how those Nazis were all out enjoying their pluralistic nation based on democratic equality like we liberals in the US...



Nazis were fascists. Fascists are deep in the right wing. it's a fucking joke to suggest otherwise.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Well I didn't think that's what she was doing, but I can't interpret the fraulein's threads....I think I generally think she's saying the exact opposite of what I initially think she's saying.

A new sig is born...

 

[Ravi]

Yes I've had the "fascism is just the right-wing gone wild" convo on here.

The truth of the matter is, the Nazi party was LIBERAL by the standards of the gov't in place at the time.

Isn't that how liberals explain how both today's liberal and T. Jefferson are liberal?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe it wasn't liberal or conservative? Maybe it was ... Nazi? Binary thinking is dangerous and never correct.

Allie thinks liberals are Nazis, after all Hitler was a vegetarian.

Wait till she finds out Hitler wore socks!

 

[Sweet Willy]

White supremecists are extremists. They aren't "far right". They're nothing. The left's asinine insistence that they are somehow representative of the Christian majority is representative of their propaganda schtick, which could also be paralleled to the Nazi propaganda against Jews...associating Jews with all that is corrupt, disgusting and evil in order to marginalize and eventually annihilate them.

"Lyenko Urbanchich, Nazi propagandist and political powerbroker, 1922-2006....
He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals who infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s and coalesced with Australian rightists to form the "Uglies" faction."

Ardent Nazi took Liberal to extremes - Obituaries - smh.com.au

Sorry, they attach themselves to the far right. They endorse far right candidates.

The left would love to shake the nut jobs on their side too. Thing is, you don't chose them, they chose you.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

But they are the same dislikes no matter whose ethics they are.

"The same dislikes"? Could you translate this into something coherent?

My ethics don't vary according to political persuasion.

Liberals can't say the same.

 

[KittenKoder]

Binary thinking is necessary. Situational ethicists are dangerous.

The only thing in the world that is binary are electronics, and that tries to simulate rainbow thinking. Binary thinking is idiotic, it's like saying people are one or the other and ignoring all the variations between, ignoring 90% of the population.

Liberal and conservative are not the only schools of thought, neither are Republican or Democrat, anyone who thinks they are are completely batshit crazy.

 

[AllieBaba]

well. you know how those Nazis were all out enjoying their pluralistic nation based on democratic equality like we liberals in the US...



Nazis were fascists. Fascists are deep in the right wing. it's a fucking joke to suggest otherwise.

So you say, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[Agnapostate]

My ethics don't vary according to political persuasion.

Liberals can't say the same.

Actually, ideological stances on applied ethical issues play a major role in determining political persuasion, for liberals and conservatives alike.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Black separatists aren't racists? Do those racists tend toward the far right, too?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Binary thinking is necessary. Situational ethicists are dangerous.

The only thing in the world that is binary are electronics, and that tries to simulate rainbow thinking. Binary thinking is idiotic, it's like saying people are one or the other and ignoring all the variations between, ignoring 90% of the population.

Liberal and conservative are not the only schools of thought, neither are Republican or Democrat, anyone who thinks they are are completely batshit crazy.

Stereotypes are usually right.

 

[Nik]

Liberal reasoning: Removing the rights of some unworthy individuals increases rights for others.

Think abortion, euthanasia, socialized medicine.....

Euthanasia? You mean assisted suicide? Umm, thats giving someone a right, not taking it away, dumbass.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Suicide might be a right, but a state sponsored program to encourage it is euthanisia.

 

[Sweet Willy]

The terms extreme right or ultra right are used by some scholars to discuss only those right-wing political groups that step outside the boundaries of traditional electoral politics. This generally includes the revolutionary right, militant racial supremacists and religious extremists, neo-fascists, neo-Nazis and Klansmen.

Far right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The opposite of left. As with the term left-wing, the label right-wing has many connotations which vary over time and are often only understood within the particular political context. In advanced liberal democracies, perhaps more than anything else the right has been defined in opposition to socialism or social democracy. As a result, the ideologies and philosophies of right-wing political parties have included elements of conservatism, Christian democracy, liberalism, libertarianism, and nationalism; and for extreme-right parties racism and fascism.

right wing: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

 

[Shogun]

well. you know how those Nazis were all out enjoying their pluralistic nation based on democratic equality like we liberals in the US...



Nazis were fascists. Fascists are deep in the right wing. it's a fucking joke to suggest otherwise.

So you say, but that doesn't make it true.

yea, baba.. yuo go ahead and add your silly crap to the new wing of the Creation Museum. big people are talking.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Binary thinking is necessary. Situational ethicists are dangerous.

The only thing in the world that is binary are electronics, and that tries to simulate rainbow thinking. Binary thinking is idiotic, it's like saying people are one or the other and ignoring all the variations between, ignoring 90% of the population.

Liberal and conservative are not the only schools of thought, neither are Republican or Democrat, anyone who thinks they are are completely batshit crazy.

Are you saying I'm batshit crazy?

 

[AllieBaba]

White supremecists are extremists. They aren't "far right". They're nothing. The left's asinine insistence that they are somehow representative of the Christian majority is representative of their propaganda schtick, which could also be paralleled to the Nazi propaganda against Jews...associating Jews with all that is corrupt, disgusting and evil in order to marginalize and eventually annihilate them.

"Lyenko Urbanchich, Nazi propagandist and political powerbroker, 1922-2006....
He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals who infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s and coalesced with Australian rightists to form the "Uglies" faction."

Ardent Nazi took Liberal to extremes - Obituaries - smh.com.au

Sorry, they attach themselves to the far right. They endorse far right candidates.

The left would love to shake the nut jobs on their side too. Thing is, you don't chose them, they chose you.

That explains the universal exodus of the Dem racists in the 60s to the Republican Party.

Also explains the decline of the Repub Party, and explains why we are now having Repubs (who are really Dems) leave the party and re-join the left...where they belonged in the first place.

Sorry, "left" "right" "liberal" and "fascist" all depend on your geography, and there can be no meaningful debate without a universal definition of what the words mean.

Using MY definition of what constitutes liberalism, the Nazi Party was a liberal party. Liberal Americans supported them during WWII, and liberals continue to propose that some are more equal to others...which is a Nazi tenet.

The fact that they were corrupt is not an indication that they took a right somewhere along the line, it's just evidence that they, like our liberals today, were corrupt initially and lied to the people about their true motives. Ppl who will buy the line that a decrease in rights for some means an increase in rights for the rest are fucking stupid, bigoted and deserve what they get.

Or you could even go the route that they PRESENTED themselves as right wing, when REALLY they were left wing. I can go anywhere you take me, honest injun.

 

[KittenKoder]

Binary thinking is necessary. Situational ethicists are dangerous.

The only thing in the world that is binary are electronics, and that tries to simulate rainbow thinking. Binary thinking is idiotic, it's like saying people are one or the other and ignoring all the variations between, ignoring 90% of the population.

Liberal and conservative are not the only schools of thought, neither are Republican or Democrat, anyone who thinks they are are completely batshit crazy.

Are you saying I'm batshit crazy?

If you are thinking that everything fits in one of two groups, yes. The "us versus them" mentality is getting old and people are waking up to that shit. Here, try to put me into one of your "two" groups (binary thoughts):

I support the right to bear arms adamantly.

I support freedom of speech, in all but private forums.

I support the right for a woman to choose.

I support gay rights.

I support corporations and capitalism.

I support the right for corporations to hire qualified people over minorities.

I am against the excessive importance placed on schooling.

I support freedom of religion for all and do not believe that the government or country should have any religious alignment.

There, try to place that in one of your two groups.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

What are "gay rights?"

 

[AllieBaba]

Liberal reasoning: Removing the rights of some unworthy individuals increases rights for others.

Think abortion, euthanasia, socialized medicine.....

Euthanasia? You mean assisted suicide? Umm, thats giving someone a right, not taking it away, dumbass.

Hmmm...how many people do you know in prison because they want to commit suicide?

It's euthanasia. Alleged "mercy" killing.

"Euthanasia (the practice of killing for reasons of mercy) occurs not only at the end of life, but also at its beginning, when newborns are left to die. The so-called Bioethics Convention implements not only research on embryos, but also genetic research on adults unable to decide for themselves, who can be used only because they don’t understand what is happening to them. At the moment, the respect for human life is particularly threatened at the beginning of human life -- by abortion before birth -- and at its end by euthanasia. The fluid transition between abortion and euthanasia is quite visible when judges show increasing sympathy for parents who kill their living disabled children: the news magazine Focus recently titled an article, “Euthanasia: in the Name of Sympathy: A woman who has killed her disabled child finds mild judges, but little sympathy from the disabled,“1 for the woman was given a six-month sentence on probation -- no penalty at all.

In 1982, a British study discovered that euthanasia on newborns was already common practice, although no one admitted it publicly.2 British doctors also consider the extent of the right to abortion to include the time after birth,3 according to a medical journal of 1987: “The British Medical Association had now reformed its 17 year old euthanasia policies,4 although it declared active mercy killing illegal, it considered the decision justified not to prolong life in certain cases, such as a malformed child.“5 "

Oh, and let's not forget the Netherlands, that bastion of Nazism....strange that libs and Nazis should share so many core values:

"Once killing on demand has softened the ban on active homicide, victims are soon likely to be killed without their consent -- particularly in the case of the elderly, the infirm, the disabled and the mentally disturbed -- a consequence already to be observed in the Netherlands, according to John Keown.66 The increase of violence against patients and the killing of patients by medical personnel in German hospitals67 are serious precursors of such developments. We are well on the way to reinstating the euthanasia policies of the Third Reich,68 which carried out scientist’s (!) dreams. The supporter of active euthanasia Norbert Hoerster makes the fear of the National Socialist euthanasia responsible for Germany’s lag in admitting euthanasia: „I think that it is time that the question of euthanasia is no longer tabooed in our society under the pretext of Nazi euthanasia...“69"
Human Rights Threatened in Europe - The Euthanasia - Abortion - Bioethics - Convention

 

[Sweet Willy]

White supremecists are extremists. They aren't "far right". They're nothing. The left's asinine insistence that they are somehow representative of the Christian majority is representative of their propaganda schtick, which could also be paralleled to the Nazi propaganda against Jews...associating Jews with all that is corrupt, disgusting and evil in order to marginalize and eventually annihilate them.

"Lyenko Urbanchich, Nazi propagandist and political powerbroker, 1922-2006....
He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals who infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s and coalesced with Australian rightists to form the "Uglies" faction."

Ardent Nazi took Liberal to extremes - Obituaries - smh.com.au

Sorry, they attach themselves to the far right. They endorse far right candidates.

The left would love to shake the nut jobs on their side too. Thing is, you don't chose them, they chose you.

That explains the universal exodus of the Dem racists in the 60s to the Republican Party.

Also explains the decline of the Repub Party, and explains why we are now having Repubs (who are really Dems) leave the party and re-join the left...where they belonged in the first place.

Sorry, "left" "right" "liberal" and "fascist" all depend on your geography, and there can be no meaningful debate without a universal definition of what the words mean.

Using MY definition of what constitutes liberalism, the Nazi Party was a liberal party. Liberal Americans supported them during WWII, and liberals continue to propose that some are more equal to others...which is a Nazi tenet.

The fact that they were corrupt is not an indication that they took a right somewhere along the line, it's just evidence that they, like our liberals today, were corrupt initially and lied to the people about their true motives. Ppl who will buy the line that a decrease in rights for some means an increase in rights for the rest are fucking stupid, bigoted and deserve what they get.

Or you could even go the route that they PRESENTED themselves as right wing, when REALLY they were left wing. I can go anywhere you take me, honest injun.

There is no hard definition for these values. They shift. The only true indicator of where a group is, is who their values attract. The right attracts racist and bigots. They like the right's agenda, been that way since the 60's.