Shooting at Sikh Temple

[Katzndogz]

A woman killed more people then this guy on a riverboat. How come not the same publicity?

 

[Dick Tuck]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Hasn't Page been out of the service since 1998? also why did he target Sikhs? did he think they were Muslims?

He was a psychological operations analyst in the Army. His discharge reflected the fact that he had gotten in some trouble, like DUIs, and for whatever other reasons we don't know about, but he was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” (a Pentagon official told CNN). A Dishonerable discharge is given to an enlisted man only after a general court martial, and "for reprehensible conduct."

" The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, says on its website that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power (music) band known as End Apathy "

Who are the folks who go around calling every body else sheep and sheeple which are the epitomy of the apathetic they might like to end? I suspect he was part of the paranoid community that sees a conspiracy and a one world government as just around the corner because it fits their paranoid outlook, so the exotic nature of the Sikh temple and it's members might have been a big factor.

To me it just looks like he was a very messed up individual.

What's your source saying he got a dishonorable discharge. The military, quoted in the Washington Post story said he was given a General Discharge.

Wade Michael Page, military veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter - The Washington Post

In a news conference, Edwards identified him as Wade Michael Page, 40, a six-year Army enlistee. A senior law enforcement official said Page rose to the rank of sergeant before being demoted to specialist and leaving the military in 1998.

...

Page “was the only shooter that was involved at the temple,” Edwards told reporters. He said Page received a “general discharge” from the military and was “ineligible for reenlistment.”

The discharge was in 1998. I wonder if it has anything to do with White Power hate group organizing. The military cracked down on this crap after McVeigh and Nichols.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Two things we are going to find out about this guy when his name is released...

1) Everyone in his life knew he was crazy.

2) He was able to still get a gun much too easily.

Any takers?

We already found out something about you.

That I've seen enough of these incidents to know how they play out?

Hey, I'll add a third

3) Despite the obvious point that letting crazy people buy guns is a really, really bad idea, there will be no meaningful move to keep it from happening in the future.

The guy was a, apparently, a vet. Are we supposed to stop vets from having guns too?

 

[Interpol]

This is such an incomprehensibly sad event, now that I'm finally tuning into it.

I'm thinking he mistook Sikhs for Muslims, since I don't know what kind of beef anyone could have with Sikhs otherwise.

Naturally, we seem to have another shooter that we're learning was a troubled person and that a long list of people probably knew that, and still this happens.

We need to give our vets better access and attention when it comes to mental health wellness.

 

[Luissa]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Hasn't Page been out of the service since 1998? also why did he target Sikhs? did he think they were Muslims?

That is what I was thinking.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Hasn't Page been out of the service since 1998? also why did he target Sikhs? did he think they were Muslims?

He was a psychological operations analyst in the Army. His discharge reflected the fact that he had gotten in some trouble, like DUIs, and for whatever other reasons we don't know about, but he was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” (a Pentagon official told CNN). A Dishonerable discharge is given to an enlisted man only after a general court martial, and "for reprehensible conduct."

" The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, says on its website that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power (music) band known as End Apathy "

Who are the folks who go around calling every body else sheep and sheeple which are the epitomy of the apathetic they might like to end? I suspect he was part of the paranoid community that sees a conspiracy and a one world government as just around the corner because it fits their paranoid outlook, so the exotic nature of the Sikh temple and it's members might have been a big factor.

To me it just looks like he was a very messed up individual.

An administrative discharge is not the same as a dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge is the result of a court martial, and requires that you be found guilty of an actual crime.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hasn't Page been out of the service since 1998? also why did he target Sikhs? did he think they were Muslims?

He was a psychological operations analyst in the Army. His discharge reflected the fact that he had gotten in some trouble, like DUIs, and for whatever other reasons we don't know about, but he was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” (a Pentagon official told CNN). A Dishonerable discharge is given to an enlisted man only after a general court martial, and "for reprehensible conduct."

" The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, says on its website that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power (music) band known as End Apathy "

Who are the folks who go around calling every body else sheep and sheeple which are the epitomy of the apathetic they might like to end? I suspect he was part of the paranoid community that sees a conspiracy and a one world government as just around the corner because it fits their paranoid outlook, so the exotic nature of the Sikh temple and it's members might have been a big factor.

To me it just looks like he was a very messed up individual.

What's your source saying he got a dishonorable discharge. The military, quoted in the Washington Post story said he was given a General Discharge.

Wade Michael Page, military veteran, identified as Sikh temple shooter - The Washington Post

In a news conference, Edwards identified him as Wade Michael Page, 40, a six-year Army enlistee. A senior law enforcement official said Page rose to the rank of sergeant before being demoted to specialist and leaving the military in 1998.

...

Page “was the only shooter that was involved at the temple,” Edwards told reporters. He said Page received a “general discharge” from the military and was “ineligible for reenlistment.”

The discharge was in 1998. I wonder if it has anything to do with White Power hate group organizing. The military cracked down on this crap after McVeigh and Nichols.

The SPLC says he did not get involved with hate groups until 2000.

 

[American Horse]

Hasn't Page been out of the service since 1998? also why did he target Sikhs? did he think they were Muslims?

He was a psychological operations analyst in the Army. His discharge reflected the fact that he had gotten in some trouble, like DUIs, and for whatever other reasons we don't know about, but he was dishonorably discharged in 1998 for “patterns of misconduct,” (a Pentagon official told CNN). A Dishonerable discharge is given to an enlisted man only after a general court martial, and "for reprehensible conduct."

" The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, says on its website that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power (music) band known as End Apathy "

Who are the folks who go around calling every body else sheep and sheeple which are the epitomy of the apathetic they might like to end? I suspect he was part of the paranoid community that sees a conspiracy and a one world government as just around the corner because it fits their paranoid outlook, so the exotic nature of the Sikh temple and it's members might have been a big factor.

To me it just looks like he was a very messed up individual.

What's your source saying he got a dishonorable discharge. The military, quoted in the Washington Post story said he was given a General Discharge.

[...]

TIME U.S.

The Army’s former top psychiatrist urges caution before linking Page’s horrific act to his military duty. “It is too early to know whether or not his military service, which ended with a dishonorable discharge and reduction in rank from sergeant to specialist in 1998, had anything to do either with his neo-Nazi leanings or the shooting,” says Elspeth Ritchie, now a Battleland contributor. “But we do know that he didn’t serve in combat. Hopefully this tragic episode will not serve to further stigmatize those who have served honorably.”

WHO is Elspeth Ritchie

 

[Katzndogz]

If Page says that he thought they were Jews, he's be released by now.

 

[Dick Tuck]

If Page says that he thought they were Jews, he's be released by now.

The man is dead, moron. I suspect you see him as a real patriot.

 

[Black_Label]

If Page says that he thought they were Jews, he's be released by now.

The man is dead, moron. I suspect you see him as a real patriot.

You can bet if he was still alive and opened a defense fund, it would be flooded by donations from the baggers claiming he was a hero.

 

[LoneLaugher]

wait until you KNOW whats happening you fools

When the media makes no mention of race, religion or motive, even in speculation, you pretty much KNOW what the story is.

What is the story?

 

[JoeB131]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Good questions... seriously. Although it appears his disciplinary problems in the army were alcohol related... which makes me wonder how much he was drinking.

This guy was on the SPLC's watch list... and yet he was able to buy a gun...

 

[Political Junky]

UPDATE: Page was the leader of a white supremacist band called End Apathy, and gave an interview to a music website declaring that he wanted to "end people's apathetic ways" and that "I was holding myself back," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Page said he had been part of the white power movement since 2000.

Wade Michael Page Identified As Sikh Temple Shooting Suspect (LIVE UPDATES)

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Good questions... seriously. Although it appears his disciplinary problems in the army were alcohol related... which makes me wonder how much he was drinking.

This guy was on the SPLC's watch list... and yet he was able to buy a gun...

I support some level of gun control, and I like and donate to the SPLC every year, but I think it's pretty ridiculous that their watch list should be used to prevent people from buying guns...

 

[JoeB131]

Page was discharged with a less than honorable discharge. Was there any indication then that he was unbalanced?

Once Holmes dropped out of school, his doctor (who knew he was dangerous) did nothing further. Once Page was discharged did those who also knew he was dangerous do nothing further?

Good questions... seriously. Although it appears his disciplinary problems in the army were alcohol related... which makes me wonder how much he was drinking.

This guy was on the SPLC's watch list... and yet he was able to buy a gun...

I support some level of gun control, and I like and donate to the SPLC every year, but I think it's pretty ridiculous that their watch list should be used to prevent people from buying guns...

Why not?

When a company is about to give me a credit card, they check all three credit agency ratings to make sure I'm who I say I am..

Why not make the background check for a gun be at least as thorough as the background check for a job or a credit card or a home loan?

One day, reporters and investigators figured out this guy was bad news. Dishonorably discharged from the Army, belongs to hate groups....

This is the information age! Now, yeah, maybe I'll be hassled because I might have to wait a week while I prove I'm not the Joe B131 from Colorado with the shoplifting conviction. But better that than the alternative.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Good questions... seriously. Although it appears his disciplinary problems in the army were alcohol related... which makes me wonder how much he was drinking.

This guy was on the SPLC's watch list... and yet he was able to buy a gun...

I support some level of gun control, and I like and donate to the SPLC every year, but I think it's pretty ridiculous that their watch list should be used to prevent people from buying guns...

Why not?

When a company is about to give me a credit card, they check all three credit agency ratings to make sure I'm who I say I am..

Why not make the background check for a gun be at least as thorough as the background check for a job or a credit card or a home loan?

One day, reporters and investigators figured out this guy was bad news. Dishonorably discharged from the Army, belongs to hate groups....

This is the information age! Now, yeah, maybe I'll be hassled because I might have to wait a week while I prove I'm not the Joe B131 from Colorado with the shoplifting conviction. But better that than the alternative.

The SPLC put him on their watch list because he started a band, not because he was thinking about killing people. Why should that be any part of buying a gun?

 

[JoeB131]

He started a band that sang about how much fun it would be to kill non-white people.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

He started a band that sang about how much fun it would be to kill non-white people.

What about the band Cannibal Corpse?

They sing about raping corpses, killing people, torture, mutilation, bestiality, cannibalism, and countless other unsavory things.

Should they be allowed to buy guns?

 

[JoeB131]

He started a band that sang about how much fun it would be to kill non-white people.

What about the band Cannibal Corpse?

They sing about raping corpses, killing people, torture, mutilation, bestiality, cannibalism, and countless other unsavory things.

Should they be allowed to buy guns?

I wouldn't sell them A-1 Steak Sauce or a Weber Grill!