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Every Canadian should be born with a Green Card ...
The general pattern for immigrants is that the first generation generally stay loyal to their home country's ways and culture. The second generation are basically American with a strong attachment to their country of origin. By the third generation, they are fully American with their heritage being not much more than an interesting bit of knowledge.
Mexico is different because we share a border with Mexico. Generally, when immigrants come to America, there is a large physical barrier to coming here. Not with Mexico. And with so many Mexicans, it is easy to become part of the community.
It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.
I think that before there became such a huge migration from Mexico, they probably DID try to assimilate better into American society. But now Mexicans will congregate more among their own, knowing they are disliked in general. Wouldn't you? And when there is more conversation in Spanish because of that, they will continue to speak their language first. It's the same with Puerto Rican's, who are actually Americans. They prefer mixing with their own kind. It isn't beyond comprehension. It's quite simple.
Those two particular groups you mentioned along with many, or it seems most others, want to come to this country not to be Americans as many of our ancestors did but rather they come here wanting to be a Mexican, African, Asian, Iranian etc etc etc in America.
We have entire sections of this country that now are more like third world shit holes where no English is spoken than ever before. These people have no desire to become Americans. They want to make America like the shit hole they left.
My great grandfather came through Ellis Island from Italy. The second he became a citizen, he proudly said he was an American. Not an Italian American.
Why is it that Canadians don't qualify their citizenship? I met a black guy from Ontario and he doesn't identify himself as an African Canadian.
We are watering down our culture in the name of diversity and it will end with the US becoming just another third world rat hole but worse because we will have no common language. Our government will have to print everything in 25 different languages and hire thousands of interpreters just to conduct its everyday business.
Immigrants Make More Jobs Than They Take
By Suzanne Smalley | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 15, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009
Lou Dobbs, take note: immigrants are good for our economy.
The most skilled create jobs in technology and engineering, says Duke professor Vivek Wadhwa, who estimates that in 2005 immigrant-founded engineering and tech companies employed 450,000 people and generated $52 billion in sales.
But even the least skilled more than repay their costs in schools and health care. Two highly respected Australian economists, Maureen Rimmer and Peter Dixon, studied the issue for the libertarian Cato Institute.
"The net impact on U.S. households from tighter border enforcement is unambiguously negative," they found, because even low-skilled immigrants expand the economic pie and create jobs farther up the ladder. Cato's Dan Griswold says the study shows a $250 billion difference between the most and least restrictive immigration policies.
Find this article at
Immigrants Create More Jobs Than They Take | Newsweek The Smart List | Newsweek.com
Those two particular groups you mentioned along with many, or it seems most others, want to come to this country not to be Americans as many of our ancestors did but rather they come here wanting to be a Mexican, African, Asian, Iranian etc etc etc in America.
We have entire sections of this country that now are more like third world shit holes where no English is spoken than ever before. These people have no desire to become Americans. They want to make America like the shit hole they left.
My great grandfather came through Ellis Island from Italy. The second he became a citizen, he proudly said he was an American. Not an Italian American.
Why is it that Canadians don't qualify their citizenship? I met a black guy from Ontario and he doesn't identify himself as an African Canadian.
We are watering down our culture in the name of diversity and it will end with the US becoming just another third world rat hole but worse because we will have no common language. Our government will have to print everything in 25 different languages and hire thousands of interpreters just to conduct its everyday business.
Those two particular groups you mentioned along with many, or it seems most others, want to come to this country not to be Americans as many of our ancestors did but rather they come here wanting to be a Mexican, African, Asian, Iranian etc etc etc in America.
We have entire sections of this country that now are more like third world shit holes where no English is spoken than ever before. These people have no desire to become Americans. They want to make America like the shit hole they left.
My great grandfather came through Ellis Island from Italy. The second he became a citizen, he proudly said he was an American. Not an Italian American.
Most Italians, though, congregated in Italian areas and spoke primarily Italian.
There is no reason to believe that today's immigrants want to be any less American than their forefathers. Most people have an emotional tie from where they came, and that includes people who were born in America and move away to another region of the country.
Why is it that Canadians don't qualify their citizenship? I met a black guy from Ontario and he doesn't identify himself as an African Canadian.
The Canadian governments actively promote multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is official policy of the Canadian federal government. There is far less emphasis on being Canadian in Canada than there is being American in America.
We are watering down our culture in the name of diversity and it will end with the US becoming just another third world rat hole but worse because we will have no common language. Our government will have to print everything in 25 different languages and hire thousands of interpreters just to conduct its everyday business.
I disagree. America has absorbed relatively far more immigrants in the past. American culture is extremely vibrant and strong, so strong that it creates resentment around the world.
So?
Our immigration policy should be geared for one thing and one thing only and that is benefiting the socioeconomic well being of the country.
If our economy does not have a need for a potential immigrant's skill, he or she should be denied entry.
If a potential immigrant cannot speak read and write English, rather than contributing to our resource pool, they diminish it as we foot the costs for them because they cannot or will not learn the language.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Let's elect you the next POTUS and see how long you last.
tremendous insight, mags, may we quote you?
That's simply not true.It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.
Of adult first-generation Latinos, just 23% say they can carry on a conversation in English very well. That share rises sharply, to 88%, among the second generation of adults, and to 94% among the third and higher generations.
Considering I live within four miles of an Italian-American Club, I'd say right off the top of my head that you're clueless. Almost any immigrant is proud of his native country and proud of his adopted country. Black people who were forced to come to America, together with their subsequent history of oppression, ultimately becoming Americans in their own right, have every reason to attach the two regions as inclusive.
Nothing new there, either.
It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.
Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.
"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.
If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.
And yet your first knee-jerk reaction was this: I want to know who ever said legal immigration was not good for our country.
Many, many legal immigrants cannot speak (and especially write) English when they first arrive unless they are from English-speaking nations. English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.
True....Not shocking at all.And even more SHOCKING statistics from Cato:
Bipartisan Visa Program Could Fix Nation's Illegal Immigration Mess | Daniel Griswold | Cato Institute: Commentary
Of course, it should come as no surprise that a libertarian-leaning organization like Cato would publish such statistics.
Still, the best immigration control I can think of would be the abolition of the socialistic welfare giveaway state. Then, all who came to America, legally or not, would at least have to pull the full financial weight for any services rendered.
That's simply not true.It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.
This isn't the specific study I was looking for, but it will do: http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/82.pdf
Of adult first-generation Latinos, just 23% say they can carry on a conversation in English very well. That share rises sharply, to 88%, among the second generation of adults, and to 94% among the third and higher generations.
(the one I'm trying to find references immigrants n general and shows similar results for any group, not just Hispanics)
That's simply not true.It is understandable that first generation immigrants don't speak English. However, it is beyond comprehension why second generation immigrants would not. English is effectively the global language today, primarily because of the United States. People all around the world take English as their primary second language to attain a better life. (In Switzerland, where there are four official languages but two primary ones - German and French - German-speaking school children are now learning English first before they learn French.) It is utterly mind-boggling that people born in the United States would not know English. Their parents are doing an enormous disservice to their children by not having them taught English.
This isn't the specific study I was looking for, but it will do: http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/82.pdf
Of adult first-generation Latinos, just 23% say they can carry on a conversation in English very well. That share rises sharply, to 88%, among the second generation of adults, and to 94% among the third and higher generations.
(the one I'm trying to find references immigrants n general and shows similar results for any group, not just Hispanics)
What's not true? I'm trying to figure out what you are contradicting of what I said.
English is the most difficult language in the entire world to learn.
Nothing new there, either.Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?
It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.
It would make sense that a higher percentage of legal immigrants (which I would assume these people are) would know English.Nothing new there, either.Seriously do we want tens of thousands of immigrants entering the country who after 20 years will still refuse to learn English?
It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.
Now that is a hoot. Where I work, the head of the lab is from
China - speaks English.
The top electrical engineer is a woman from Bolivia - speaks English.
The electronics engineer, from India - speaks English.
Visiting electrical engineer from Germany - speaks English.
Mechanical engineers from Mexico - both speak English - one tutors Physics at De Paul University the other works part time writing programs for government agencies.
Test Line - woman from Mexico - speaks English
Test Line - from Korea - speaks English.
All immigrants.
Why should the immigrants in the here and now be any different from any of the other immigrants that gave us places like little Italy, Ybor City and the Chinatowns.Nothing new there, either.
It's extremely rare for 1st generation immigrants to learn the language, no matter where you are.
Exactly my point. We should be more discriminating in our process.
"Are you able, to speak and write English?" Should be the first question on the list.
If the answer to that question is "No" , then you don't get a green card. Period.
While there is indeed a lot of things for which to legitimately gig on immigrants (especially the illegals), the language thing is soooooo petty.
That 2nd generation immigrants do not speak English. That's clearly not the case.
Unless I read your post wrong and you're saying they DO, then I apologize for misunderstanding you.
Immigrants Make More Jobs Than They Take
By Suzanne Smalley | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 15, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009
Lou Dobbs, take note: immigrants are good for our economy.
The most skilled create jobs in technology and engineering, says Duke professor Vivek Wadhwa, who estimates that in 2005 immigrant-founded engineering and tech companies employed 450,000 people and generated $52 billion in sales.
But even the least skilled more than repay their costs in schools and health care. Two highly respected Australian economists, Maureen Rimmer and Peter Dixon, studied the issue for the libertarian Cato Institute.
"The net impact on U.S. households from tighter border enforcement is unambiguously negative," they found, because even low-skilled immigrants expand the economic pie and create jobs farther up the ladder. Cato's Dan Griswold says the study shows a $250 billion difference between the most and least restrictive immigration policies.
Find this article at
Immigrants Create More Jobs Than They Take | Newsweek The Smart List | Newsweek.com
Immigrants Make More Jobs Than They Take
By Suzanne Smalley | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 15, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Aug 31, 2009
Lou Dobbs, take note: immigrants are good for our economy.
The most skilled create jobs in technology and engineering, says Duke professor Vivek Wadhwa, who estimates that in 2005 immigrant-founded engineering and tech companies employed 450,000 people and generated $52 billion in sales.
But even the least skilled more than repay their costs in schools and health care. Two highly respected Australian economists, Maureen Rimmer and Peter Dixon, studied the issue for the libertarian Cato Institute.
"The net impact on U.S. households from tighter border enforcement is unambiguously negative," they found, because even low-skilled immigrants expand the economic pie and create jobs farther up the ladder. Cato's Dan Griswold says the study shows a $250 billion difference between the most and least restrictive immigration policies.
Find this article at
Immigrants Create More Jobs Than They Take | Newsweek The Smart List | Newsweek.com
I never had a doubt.
An increasing population is good for our economy.
Plus the Mexicans here are the hardest working people I have seen.
