Sex offender claims religious rights denied

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The Associated Press: NH sex offender claims religious rights denied

The case of 35-year-old Jonathan Perfetto of Manchester marks the first time the New Hampshire Supreme Court is being asked to rule on whether a probation condition that effectively bars church attendance violates a person's constitutional rights to religious freedom.


What say you, USMB members?

The man was never charged of actually touching a child. Only had pictures.
Does he pose a threat?
Should he be denied his right to exercise, freely, his religion?
 
The Associated Press: NH sex offender claims religious rights denied

The case of 35-year-old Jonathan Perfetto of Manchester marks the first time the New Hampshire Supreme Court is being asked to rule on whether a probation condition that effectively bars church attendance violates a person's constitutional rights to religious freedom.


What say you, USMB members?

The man was never charged of actually touching a child. Only had pictures.
Does he pose a threat?
Should he be denied his right to exercise, freely, his religion?

Where does it say one can freely exorcise one's religion?
 
we got this guy here....a mousey little guy...he has been caught peeping.....we were discussing this guy yesterday...what if he gets a kid...the kid begins to cry...he puts his hand over the kids mouth and suffocates the kid....i was shocked by this scenario...the men were not...they pointed out...its always the little guy that no one thought would be harmful who is harmful.

he cannot control his impulses and thinks its okay to peep
 
The Associated Press: NH sex offender claims religious rights denied

The case of 35-year-old Jonathan Perfetto of Manchester marks the first time the New Hampshire Supreme Court is being asked to rule on whether a probation condition that effectively bars church attendance violates a person's constitutional rights to religious freedom.


What say you, USMB members?

The man was never charged of actually touching a child. Only had pictures.
Does he pose a threat?
Should he be denied his right to exercise, freely, his religion?

Where does it say one can freely exorcise one's religion?

Ummm....Bill of Rights, maybe?
Since he's been convicted of a felony, are you saying he has forfeited that right just as he would forfeit his right to gun ownership?
 
we got this guy here....a mousey little guy...he has been caught peeping.....we were discussing this guy yesterday...what if he gets a kid...the kid begins to cry...he puts his hand over the kids mouth and suffocates the kid....i was shocked by this scenario...the men were not...they pointed out...its always the little guy that no one thought would be harmful who is harmful.

he cannot control his impulses and thinks its okay to peep

Just like the guy with the pics, in the OP, many experts think it's just a first step. That touching or assaulting is next.


In another article, somehwere, I read that a lot of the church members didn't want him there.
That's the main reason I put this in religion.
Should the Jehovah's Witnesses be a little more forgiving and accepting and allow this guy to repent?
 
no, jw's are very strict in what they believe but when it comes to child molestors they report them just like anyone else...they protect their kids...
 
The Associated Press: NH sex offender claims religious rights denied

The case of 35-year-old Jonathan Perfetto of Manchester marks the first time the New Hampshire Supreme Court is being asked to rule on whether a probation condition that effectively bars church attendance violates a person's constitutional rights to religious freedom.


What say you, USMB members?

The man was never charged of actually touching a child. Only had pictures.
Does he pose a threat?
Should he be denied his right to exercise, freely, his religion?

his right to exercise his religion ends at the nose of a child who can't protect himself.

there is no such thing as a pedophile who's just a voyeur.

he is absolutely a threat.
 
His religious rights have not been violated. If he wants to be a Jehovah's Witness ... he can have them come to his house - they'd be more than willing to do so. Worshiping God does not require one's physical appearance in church. For that matter, what kind of truly religious Christian person participates in activity that God would condemn in the first place. He can't have it both ways and my vote would be to err on the side of a child's safety.
 
The Associated Press: NH sex offender claims religious rights denied




What say you, USMB members?

The man was never charged of actually touching a child. Only had pictures.
Does he pose a threat?
Should he be denied his right to exercise, freely, his religion?

Where does it say one can freely exorcise one's religion?

Ummm....Bill of Rights, maybe?
Since he's been convicted of a felony, are you saying he has forfeited that right just as he would forfeit his right to gun ownership?

Yes.
 
There really wasn't a legible way to post this as a poll.
And, so far, I agree with everyone's responses.
Yes, he gave up his rights when he was convicted.
No, he has absolutely no business being around kids.
 
Where does it say one can freely exorcise one's religion?

Ummm....Bill of Rights, maybe?
Since he's been convicted of a felony, are you saying he has forfeited that right just as he would forfeit his right to gun ownership?

Yes.

i can tell you that the case law doesn't concur. Because the right to practice one's religion is a fundamental right specifically guaranteed by the 1st amendment, any regulation of that right is subjected to strict scrutiny by the courts. That would mean that the government would have to show a substantial governmental interest in the specific regulation.

There would be such an interest in keeping firearms from a felon.
 
Ummm....Bill of Rights, maybe?
Since he's been convicted of a felony, are you saying he has forfeited that right just as he would forfeit his right to gun ownership?

Yes.

i can tell you that the case law doesn't concur. Because the right to practice one's religion is a fundamental right specifically guaranteed by the 1st amendment, any regulation of that right is subjected to strict scrutiny by the courts. That would mean that the government would have to show a substantial governmental interest in the specific regulation.

There would be such an interest in keeping firearms from a felon.
How do you see this shaking out, then, Jillian?
 

i can tell you that the case law doesn't concur. Because the right to practice one's religion is a fundamental right specifically guaranteed by the 1st amendment, any regulation of that right is subjected to strict scrutiny by the courts. That would mean that the government would have to show a substantial governmental interest in the specific regulation.

There would be such an interest in keeping firearms from a felon.
How do you see this shaking out, then, Jillian?

I think they will try to direct an alternative church where there are no children. I don't know if such a thing exists. I DO think they will, ultimately, permit him to be chaparoned.

But... the church doesn't have to let him attend and can toss his butt.... which is what I hope will happen.
 
It's an interesting case. They're basically saying that going to a Church is a religious freedom as opposed to this guy just practicing prayer, contemplation and meditation at home. It's as if the institution of the Church has the rights.

If anyone needs religious practice this guy does. If I were a member of his Church I would be very concerned about his attendance. Some Churches feel that they need to minister to the worst sinners in their congregation and will not kick out a member even when he's hurt another member.
 
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Ummm....Bill of Rights, maybe?
Since he's been convicted of a felony, are you saying he has forfeited that right just as he would forfeit his right to gun ownership?

Yes.

i can tell you that the case law doesn't concur. Because the right to practice one's religion is a fundamental right specifically guaranteed by the 1st amendment, any regulation of that right is subjected to strict scrutiny by the courts. That would mean that the government would have to show a substantial governmental interest in the specific regulation.

There would be such an interest in keeping firearms from a felon.

I think a prosecutor could make the case that this individual does not have Christian values therefore his religion which embraces "child pornography" is not compatible with the churches any more than if a muslim wanted to set up camp in a christian church.
 

i can tell you that the case law doesn't concur. Because the right to practice one's religion is a fundamental right specifically guaranteed by the 1st amendment, any regulation of that right is subjected to strict scrutiny by the courts. That would mean that the government would have to show a substantial governmental interest in the specific regulation.

There would be such an interest in keeping firearms from a felon.

I think a prosecutor could make the case that this individual does not have Christian values therefore his religion which embraces "child pornography" is not compatible with the churches any more than if a muslim wanted to set up camp in a christian church.

Are Jehovah Witnesses considered Christian? I'm not sure they are.

Civil Liberties Union lawyer Barbara Keshen said the court's ruling could determine the religious rights of people who are under court supervision, on either parole or probation. http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=eceba732-779a-49e2-b489-04419a0654c7
 
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Yes - they are considered Christian just as Mormons are considered Christians. Basically, Christianity is any church that follows the teachings of Christ - including the Catholic Church. I don't know why the Catholic Church is always left out of the Christian equation. The Catholic Church held the strings of the Christian faith for centuries - any anyone who disagreed with its teachings was considered a heretic.
 

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