CDZ Serious question for independents/moderates/centrists, etc.

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Mac1958, May 13, 2017.

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    I very seldom watch any news at all. But then, I am not a moderate. My principles have long been established. News has no effect on my political leanings as a result.
     
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    Okay. I'll shut up then. I don't think things are in as bad shape as Mac thinks, that was my point.
     
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    You know, when I was a kid, the old timers never stopped repeating this old phrase...
     
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    Did you learn anything? BTW, "Go Bears"
     
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    Yes, of course.

    I added to my existing knowledge, having read Rawl's theories of social justice while a senior in high school when I was 16.

    Of course, that was most likely well before you were born. You sound very young.
     
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    A slight disagreement here. First, science is science. It either is or it isn't. Politically-driven science often isn't.

    Politicians often control money, science is funded by money. Even Galileo depended upon patrons, patrons who often had to bow to the will of government. In their case, a theocratic government. Still, no matter how much government desires to sway or stop scientific inquiry, as Galileo proved, the truth always wins in the end.
     
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    But look at the climate change debate. I'll hear from one "source" that temperatures are increasing pretty much every year, then from another that they haven't increased in 15.

    I'm not saying that one side is right and the other is wrong, I don't want to move this to that topic, but I'm saying that each side of the argument views their data as "factual", which essentially kills the debate right out of the gate. You can't have any kind of conversation, let alone a constructive conversation, when the participants can't even agree on FACTS.

    So one "news" source pushes one side, and another pushes the other. People VOTE for people who agree with THEIR "facts". That's where we are right now, and it's only getting worse.
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    Comedic actress. Lately, a guest on SNL, but she's made several funny movies such as Bridesmaids (her breakout movie), Spy and the Heat.
     
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    I "sound"? Your reading skill are exceptional, if you can hear my age by the written word. Actually, I studied Poli Sci at CAL, along with US History. But who cares, you will probably dismiss it as all fake facts, given that CAL is a public U. and not a private one.

    Q. Did you enjoy the pubs in East Palo Alto during your matriculation on the farm?

    BTW: I was at CAL '65 - '67 (Active Duty USNR, 2/67 to 1/69) & '69 - '72. When did you attend Stanford?
     
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    Disagreed. They are strongly biased toward Russia and, unlike the "capitalist pig" American networks, they are a direct arm of government. No better than Pravda or the People's Daily.
     

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