Sergeant at eye of storm says he won't apologize

[MaggieMae]

No, I believe Gates is a racist, the cop was simply doing his job and was accused of a being a racist for no reason other than he was white.

Do you think the officer is a racist?

There is no evidence that the cop is a racist, only that he abused his authority. Plenty of cops get called names. It's part of their training not to let their buttons get pushed. This cop had a weak moment. The charges were dropped so obviously his superiors thought so also.

Bulcrap, the charges were dropped because Gates has friends in high places, including the POTUS. The cops career has been ruined by a racist professor looking to keep his job. Now he gets to make his documentary all about how there is still racism in america even though we have a black president. More than 50% of whites put that man in office, not the 90% of blacks that voted for him. Again, where's the racism?

I think it's clear that with Obama in office, the cries of racism are going to get louder, after all, without racism, people like the good professor would be out of a job.

The racism is watching as all you folks come crawling out of the woodwork with your racist opinions whining how YOU'RE the victims of racism. Or don't you recognize that's what you've done. That "racist professor" was hardly looking to keep his job. He's certainly not in danger of losing it over a local incident of turbo copping.

 

[MaggieMae]

How exactly did he abuse his authority?

Lying that Gates was following him to his car when the photo shows Gates handcuffed just outside his door. You don't go around arresting people because they piss you off. Gates did not break any laws and he was no threat to anybody. The cop also also refused to show ID. When cops are out of order and you ask them that, they don't like it.

The photo was AFTER the arrest, AFTER Gates followed him outsdie to his car. Were you born stupid or have you been working at it your whole life?

The photographs in all the papers show him cuffed, directly outside his front door on the porch, with the officer behind him. But hey, you just go ahead an make up your own version. You'll be ^5'd by all your other TexASSed friends. 'Tis a given.

 

[Againsheila]

I don't know who is racist or who isn't but the amazing thing is the belief that it is us, the citizens, who have to prove what it is we own, if it is our house, our car, etc. Some of you need a refresher in basic rights.

The burden is on the cop to have probable cause. The police do not have the right to make you prove anything. They have the burden of proof. How the fuck this got switched around in the minds of so many is beyond me. Are we now the new Soviet Union, like in the old spy movies, where there are men with guns around every corner who ask "let me see your papers"?

If I am putting a new roof on my house am I obligated to show any random cop my ID? Just so he can rest easy knowing I'm not roofing a strangers house?

This belief that cops have the right to demand identification at any given instance is absurd. This fucking country will have the police state it deserves. You fucking twits not only asked for it, you're already believing in it.

I was thinking alone those same lines, but in the context of all the screeching by the righties about the "right" to shoot and kill someone to protect their "property" (per the Constitution, so they say). What would have happened if Mr. Gates, being shocked and surprised, had pulled a gun and shot the cop? After all, someone had plundered into his home. Would he have been 'Constitutionally right" to shoot the perceived intruder?

Had the cop been plain clothed and stepped into the home without identifying himself, yes, Gates would have had the right to shoot him. Happy now? Of course, that wouldn't have helped Gates much since from where I sit, it was to his benefit to get arrested. According to people on this board he used to be in staff housing, now he's been downgraded to student housing. We have a black president and his job depends on racism, if there isn't any, then where's his job? Now he's got plans for a PBS documentary, etc. If he hadn't announced that immediately after his arrest, I wouldn't have suspected that he had motive to be arrested. Before the announcement, I just thought he was tired and overreacted after a long trip and having to break into his own house.

BTW, I have a young black man living with me. I've discussed this with him. HE thinks the prof was out of bounds. Of course, he only has my word for what happened, I would like him to research it for himself and then we can discuss it.

 

[Againsheila]

The officer doesn't need to apologize for being a racist.
He should be reprimanded for making a totally unnecessary arrest all because his widdle feewings were hurt by being called a racist.

That's just stupid. Gates was warned TWICE. He wouldn't let it go and he was arrested. It's HIS fault, he deserved it, but because he's a black Harvard professor, he gets away with it and will ruin the career of a good cop simply because he's white. Racism is indeed alive and well in the United States.

Yes, it is, and you just proved it. Why are you automatically taking the cop's side?

I automatically take the cop's side until evidence to the contrary comes out. I was raised to respect authority and cooperate with the police. Of course, I'm an Air force brat, maybe that has something to do with the fact that I respect men in uniform, be they military, cops, firemen or milkmen.

 

[Againsheila]

There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

I am shocked that people exist that are as stupid as you.

What difference does it make if Gates walked, crawled, flew or was beamed onto the porch by Scotty?

I thought you promised us you were going away?

I think you must just be a troll playing stupid for attention because no one could be as clueless as you. You don't arrest a guy on the street and then walk him back up to his front door. The photo shows that Gates was arrested inside or just outside his door.
You claim the photo shows the cops were wearinmg badges and name tags. I only see badges. And it's not even clear if Officer Crowley is in the photo.

I see name tags, I can't see names, but those sure look like name tags to me.

 

[MaggieMae]

Have you read the report?

Now, I could be wrong, but I believe if you refuse to show your id to the cops, they have the right to arrest you until they discover your identity. Plus, he had a call about a break in, if Gates refused to show his id, the cop had every right to arrest him until his identity could be determined, that's the cops job. Do you really think that if someone sees you break into your own home and calls the cops that you have the right to refuse to show id and you won't get arrested?

Gates keep YELLING at the cop. He was beligerant and he refused to back down. His conduct was disorderly and that's why he was arrested. Had he not been a Harvard prof with friends in high places, he'd most likely still be in jail.

Gates showed his ID. There was no question of his identity and that he was in his own home.

It would behoove you to read all the reports again. You will clearly see ( but then again maybe not) that Gates was asked three times to show ID, the third time he complied. Satisfied the cop was leaving, Gates having already hurled epitaphs and threats proceeded to follow the cop outside where he (Gates) was warned several times about his conduct, warnings he did not heed, therefore the only recourse the officer had was to place the idiot under arrest.

I tried typing slow so as not to confuse you. I hope that helped.

What reports (plural) are you reading? There's only one police report, and I find it a little strange that Sgt. Crowley didn't complete it himself. Instead, it was completed by the backup officer, Figueroa. I thought it was SOP that cops never approached a potentially dangerous situation alone? If Crowley thought there was a B&E in progress, it was pretty dumb for him to proceed solo, especially since the 911 call said there were two black men, not one. But because Crowley WAS alone, until the backup arrived, anything HE says that happened is simply his word against Gates' version of the incident.

 

[Againsheila]

There is no evidence that the cop is a racist, only that he abused his authority. Plenty of cops get called names. It's part of their training not to let their buttons get pushed. This cop had a weak moment. The charges were dropped so obviously his superiors thought so also.

Bulcrap, the charges were dropped because Gates has friends in high places, including the POTUS. The cops career has been ruined by a racist professor looking to keep his job. Now he gets to make his documentary all about how there is still racism in america even though we have a black president. More than 50% of whites put that man in office, not the 90% of blacks that voted for him. Again, where's the racism?

I think it's clear that with Obama in office, the cries of racism are going to get louder, after all, without racism, people like the good professor would be out of a job.

The racism is watching as all you folks come crawling out of the woodwork with your racist opinions whining how YOU'RE the victims of racism. Or don't you recognize that's what you've done. That "racist professor" was hardly looking to keep his job. He's certainly not in danger of losing it over a local incident of turbo copping.

I have young men not related to me living in my house right now. One is white, one is black. One is paying rent, one isn't as he has no job. Now if I kick out the one that's not paying rent, am I a racist? If I keep the one that is paying rent, am I a racist? If I keep them both, am I a racist? Please define racism in this instance because I can't see it. A cop arrests a man for disorderly conduct and you claim it's racism, if the cop was black and the perp was white, would you hold that same view?

 

[MaggieMae]

The photo was AFTER the arrest, AFTER Gates followed him outsdie to his car. Were you born stupid or have you been working at it your whole life?

How did he get from the car back up onto his porch if he had been arrested at the car? How was he a threat to the officer by standing on his own porch? I don't think he ever was off his own porch till after he was arrested.

"How did he get from the car back up onto his porch if he had been arrested at the car?"

He walked.

"How was he a threat to the officer by standing on his own porch?"

I never said he was a threat, I did say he threatened the officer, those facts are in evidence. Simply read the report.

" I don't think he ever was off his own porch till after he was arrested"

That's part of your problem, you "don't think".

If yuo had read the reports, you would have known that Gates was not IN his house or ON his porch when he was arrested.

Time to just SHUT UP, Lonestar. Here's the proof.

 

[MaggieMae]

"How did he get from the car back up onto his porch if he had been arrested at the car?"

He walked.

So the cop just let him walk back up on his porch after arresting him?

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

Oh sweet jeezus--which FOX reporter came up with that beaut?? Surely you've watched enough cop shows to know they PUT THE PERP IN THE CAR AND SECURE THAT, then return to the building if necessary. (And cop cars don't have door handles in the back.)

 

[MaggieMae]

So the cop just let him walk back up on his porch after arresting him?

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

Not the least of which is that Crowley didn't write up the report. Very unusual. I was a part-time dispatcher in college (midnight-8AM, and I could also study), and I can guarantee that even back then, the arresting officer was the one who wrote up the Incident Report, of course...

 

[Anguille]

So the cop just let him walk back up on his porch after arresting him?

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

Oh sweet jeezus--which FOX reporter came up with that beaut?? Surely you've watched enough cop shows to know they PUT THE PERP IN THE CAR AND SECURE THAT, then return to the building if necessary. (And cop cars don't have door handles in the back.)

Bu... but ...Lonestar informed us yesterday that he/she is an expert on police procedure!

 

[MaggieMae]

If the cop was in uniform and was wearing his rank and had a name plate presumably some part of his uniform also had his identification number, then ask yourself why Gates demanded the cop's id.

We don't know that he was or if he was willing to stand still long enough so that GAtes could note it. I imagine it was his intention to report the officer.
Cops here do not always wear a badge and name tag. I had to ask a cop for ID once. His badge was in his wallet.

The photo clearly shows the officers are wearing badges and name tags.

But nice try.

And the photo ALSO shows Gates handcuffed, ON HIS PORCH. Checkmate.

 

[Anguille]

Yes, the man was handcuffed and escorted by police. The reason (if you'd read the reports) are obvious. One officer went inside to retrieve Gates' cane and they could not leave the premises until it was secure.

There were several officers there. No need to make Gates go back up on the porch. Since he uses a cane all the more reason not to make him go back up steps. There is much in the officer's report that is suspect.

Not the least of which is that Crowley didn't write up the report. Very unusual. I was a part-time dispatcher in college (midnight-8AM, and I could also study), and I can guarantee that even back then, the arresting officer was the one who wrote up the Incident Report, of course...

A lot of things don't jive. I don't believe Gates claim that he never yelled at the cop either. But something is a little fishy about that police report. And the fact that they quickly dropped charges.

 

[MaggieMae]

an officer of the law who's been "called out" by the President of the United States apoligizes instantly if he's guilty-- this sergeant has been in and on the force long enough to understand the chain of command and what kind of "stage" he's on at the moment-- obviously, the gent knows he was just doing his job and Professor Gates decided to go all Bobby Seale on him-- sounds like we need to let the good professor slather and spit a bit more and then he'll go back to being the "...world famous black scholar" that nobody knew about-- i'm sure he is ashamed for behaving like he did-- once a cop sees ID he'll leave u alone unless u cross the line with "loud and tumultuous" behavior or threats-- i'm thinking Gates did both-- luckily he was able to piss off to Martha's Vin. for a well deserved R&R after his exhausting trip to China-- it'll all blow over quickly and then we can go back to pretending everything is A-OK between the "races"-- Regards, probus

A little pissed are we that black men are proving they can be just as successful as white men? You do one-sentence on the actual incident, then turn the rest into a racist rant.

 

[MaggieMae]

so,, in conclusion,, white police officers are always wrong in the liberal playbook,, anarchy is in the Alinsky handbook and Ayeres is their hero! so to know a libral you gotta know your 3 A.'s

Acorn

Alinsky

Anarchy

There's only one 'A' in your playbook.

 

[del]

There is no evidence that the cop is a racist, only that he abused his authority. Plenty of cops get called names. It's part of their training not to let their buttons get pushed. This cop had a weak moment. The charges were dropped so obviously his superiors thought so also.

How exactly did he abuse his authority?

Lying that Gates was following him to his car when the photo shows Gates handcuffed just outside his door. You don't go around arresting people because they piss you off. Gates did not break any laws and he was no threat to anybody. The cop also also refused to show ID. When cops are out of order and you ask them that, they don't like it.

wah wah wah

funny how all the witnesses disagree with you, isn't it?

 

[MaggieMae]

I don't know who is racist or who isn't but the amazing thing is the belief that it is us, the citizens, who have to prove what it is we own, if it is our house, our car, etc. Some of you need a refresher in basic rights.

The burden is on the cop to have probable cause. The police do not have the right to make you prove anything. They have the burden of proof. How the fuck this got switched around in the minds of so many is beyond me. Are we now the new Soviet Union, like in the old spy movies, where there are men with guns around every corner who ask "let me see your papers"?

If I am putting a new roof on my house am I obligated to show any random cop my ID? Just so he can rest easy knowing I'm not roofing a strangers house?

This belief that cops have the right to demand identification at any given instance is absurd. This fucking country will have the police state it deserves. You fucking twits not only asked for it, you're already believing in it.

I was thinking alone those same lines, but in the context of all the screeching by the righties about the "right" to shoot and kill someone to protect their "property" (per the Constitution, so they say). What would have happened if Mr. Gates, being shocked and surprised, had pulled a gun and shot the cop? After all, someone had plundered into his home. Would he have been 'Constitutionally right" to shoot the perceived intruder?

Had the cop been plain clothed and stepped into the home without identifying himself, yes, Gates would have had the right to shoot him. Happy now? Of course, that wouldn't have helped Gates much since from where I sit, it was to his benefit to get arrested. According to people on this board he used to be in staff housing, now he's been downgraded to student housing. We have a black president and his job depends on racism, if there isn't any, then where's his job? Now he's got plans for a PBS documentary, etc. If he hadn't announced that immediately after his arrest, I wouldn't have suspected that he had motive to be arrested. Before the announcement, I just thought he was tired and overreacted after a long trip and having to break into his own house.

BTW, I have a young black man living with me. I've discussed this with him. HE thinks the prof was out of bounds. Of course, he only has my word for what happened, I would like him to research it for himself and then we can discuss it.

That is an ignorant assumption.

So you have a black man living with you. Is he paying you rent? Do you have any other control over him? Assuming one or both of those, and if he has ONLY listened to YOUR warped version, no wonder he agrees. Hello??

 

[Anguille]

How exactly did he abuse his authority?

Lying that Gates was following him to his car when the photo shows Gates handcuffed just outside his door. You don't go around arresting people because they piss you off. Gates did not break any laws and he was no threat to anybody. The cop also also refused to show ID. When cops are out of order and you ask them that, they don't like it.

wah wah wah

funny how all the witnesses disagree with you, isn't it?

Not the one in the article you posted yesterday.

Can you explain to me how Gate's outburst in his own home warranted an arrest? Involving 6 officers and unknown lawyers and police administrators? How was he a threat to anyone other than to the thin skinned officer's own ego?

 

[del]

Gates showed his ID. There was no question of his identity and that he was in his own home.

It would behoove you to read all the reports again. You will clearly see ( but then again maybe not) that Gates was asked three times to show ID, the third time he complied. Satisfied the cop was leaving, Gates having already hurled epitaphs and threats proceeded to follow the cop outside where he (Gates) was warned several times about his conduct, warnings he did not heed, therefore the only recourse the officer had was to place the idiot under arrest.
I tried typing slow so as not to confuse you. I hope that helped.

wrong.


the officer could've (and in my opinion) should've....left well enough alone. A power trip is not what we pay policemen for. Cop sounds like he has a thin skin. Lots of Cambridge cops do. I know this for a fact. I also know that if Skip Gates was at his old house on the other side of the campus, the police would've acted differently. Cops are almost always bigger shits when dealing with poorer people

you're projecting again

 

[MaggieMae]

Bulcrap, the charges were dropped because Gates has friends in high places, including the POTUS. The cops career has been ruined by a racist professor looking to keep his job. Now he gets to make his documentary all about how there is still racism in america even though we have a black president. More than 50% of whites put that man in office, not the 90% of blacks that voted for him. Again, where's the racism?

I think it's clear that with Obama in office, the cries of racism are going to get louder, after all, without racism, people like the good professor would be out of a job.

The racism is watching as all you folks come crawling out of the woodwork with your racist opinions whining how YOU'RE the victims of racism. Or don't you recognize that's what you've done. That "racist professor" was hardly looking to keep his job. He's certainly not in danger of losing it over a local incident of turbo copping.

I have young men not related to me living in my house right now. One is white, one is black. One is paying rent, one isn't as he has no job. Now if I kick out the one that's not paying rent, am I a racist? If I keep the one that is paying rent, am I a racist? If I keep them both, am I a racist? Please define racism in this instance because I can't see it. A cop arrests a man for disorderly conduct and you claim it's racism, if the cop was black and the perp was white, would you hold that same view?

The fact that you're renting space in your home is moot. Apples and oranges. Your comments become racist when they ASSUME things that you couldn't possibly know about Gates, just because he is black. In a later post you ASSUME that he can't get a job unless it's involved in the black social genre. Get it now?