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"Gut our foreign intelligence agency"? You betcha. Where was the CIA when NK invaded SK, the Russians put up the Berlin Wall, the NVA invaded the south and ....freaking 9-11....? You almost gotta laugh that the CIA spent time and energy promoting the fake story that George Bush "outed" socialite Valery Plame when it was reporter Robert Novak. The bottom line is that the CIA has become a redundant old fart that needs serious scrutiny. What's the worst that can happen?There are no secrets left and the CIA hasn't been on top of any important threat since WW2. Time to drain another swamp.
Yes. Gut our foreign intelligence agency. Brilliant idea.
I have some doubts about Trump's competency, but I'm fairly confident that he's at least smarter than you are. Goddamn ...
Those hacking......were caught........and expulsions and sanctions happened to Russia........did you forget about that.Dear Russia
I just wanted you to know that I am a-OK with you meddling in our elections.
There was a time when I would have been really, really upset by a foreign country trying to interfere with our democracy. Heck, if you had helped the Democrats, I'd probably still be pissed! But what I'm deathly afraid of is darkies and people who are different than me.
So go ahead, do whatever you want. Because Making America Great Again means letting you hack our voter rolls.
Signed
Trump is My God
"Gut our foreign intelligence agency"? You betcha. Where was the CIA when NK invaded SK, the Russians put up the Berlin Wall, the NVA invaded the south and ....freaking 9-11....? You almost gotta laugh that the CIA spent time and energy promoting the fake story that George Bush "outed" socialite Valery Plame when it was reporter Robert Novak. The bottom line is that the CIA has become a redundant old fart that needs serious scrutiny. What's the worst that can happen?There are no secrets left and the CIA hasn't been on top of any important threat since WW2. Time to drain another swamp.
Yes. Gut our foreign intelligence agency. Brilliant idea.
I have some doubts about Trump's competency, but I'm fairly confident that he's at least smarter than you are. Goddamn ...
No, I would prefer a more friendly and respectful world.
But I am certainly not going to support a return to the Bad Old Days of Cold War over such a minor incident.
Excuse me, a possible minor incident.
Do you think Estonia would be worth fighting a World War over?
What is wrong with holding them to account for their actions? It has nothing to do with a cold war. If Russia decides to escalate tensions to that level, then that was their intention all along. Putin is openly hostile toward the U.S. and the West in general as is. Do you really think holding him to account for this (which he at least knew about and condoned) is really the thing to push him over the edge? Unlikely.
Hillary was talking about issuing a No Fly Zone in Syria. That would involve ordering US Pilots to shoot down Russian planes if they were in the wrong place.
That is WAY beyond anything Ronald Reagan ever did, or would have done.
You say "hold accountable" as though it would just be words.
We need to be working to lessen tensions, not increase them.
Do you think that Estonia is worth fighting a World War over?
No, but at the same time, simply letting Putin do whatever he wants while only giving him a stern lecture ... what does that tell him?
I'll tell you; "The U.S. has no balls. I can do whatever I want and they'll do nothing but whine, cry, and stamp their feet."
Same issue Obama had. He talked tough, but he didn't actually do much when it came to Syria. Everyone wrote him and the U.S. off as a big dog that's still just all bark with no bite.
RUSSIA has to make concessions to the U.S. openly for what they did in the election. They need to admit that they did it and give something up for having done it. Maybe then I could see real development talking place. Of course, that will never happen; they will continue lying, even though all our intelligence has confirmed it. They themselves are making it more difficult to get over it.
Not to mention that these aggressive, hostile cyber behaviors continue as we speak.
Do you believe that the US meddled in the Ukrainian elections?
The scope of what they did is unlike anything we've done in Ukraine or Russia. And the main goal of it wasn't to get Trump elected, by the way; it was to stir up controversy, to get us to fight each other. The Russian meddling wasn't just about the election results. It was very much about attacking democracy itself, getting Americans to fight each other and doubt our political structure ("deep state" conspiracies and the rise of the socialist left).
And they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
This is such a retarded excuse. You should be embarrassed.Rand Paul on Russian election meddling: 'We all do it'
Duh! Leftists don't care about election meddling though...that's just their excuse for losing and conservatives don't care about meddling in other countries elections because they enjoy "expanding democracy". I am against it in ALL ways..don't want anyone messing with ours and don't want us messing with anyone elses.
CIA agents probably don't know 1% of the CIA's incompetence. The CIA failed to uncover a traitor for ten years who was sitting in a freaking foreign intelligence cubicle and they failed to protect 3,000 Americans who were murdered on a pretty day in September. All the pop-culture raised idiot generation knows about the CIA is what Hollywood tells them."Gut our foreign intelligence agency"? You betcha. Where was the CIA when NK invaded SK, the Russians put up the Berlin Wall, the NVA invaded the south and ....freaking 9-11....? You almost gotta laugh that the CIA spent time and energy promoting the fake story that George Bush "outed" socialite Valery Plame when it was reporter Robert Novak. The bottom line is that the CIA has become a redundant old fart that needs serious scrutiny. What's the worst that can happen?There are no secrets left and the CIA hasn't been on top of any important threat since WW2. Time to drain another swamp.
Yes. Gut our foreign intelligence agency. Brilliant idea.
I have some doubts about Trump's competency, but I'm fairly confident that he's at least smarter than you are. Goddamn ...
Are you in the CIA? You probably don't know about 1% of what they do.
Libs love to vague it up. Because on some level, they want to believe, and to fool other people into believing, that Trump only won because Evul Russian hackers changed the votes.
So if you call them on it, they take about internet trolls and well timed leaks, but what they are really pushing is the Lie that Trump did not win fair and square.
They are vile scum like that.
Is Rand Paul a liberal?
I don't care. I don't think that he is being cited as an Authority, just his argument is being presented.
DO you have a point to make regarding what he said?
Oh, wait, you are trying to change the subject to the PERSON, instead of the TOPIC.
Got it.
Your request to discuss Rand Paul personally is rejected.
Are 99 out of the 100 Senators in Congress Liberals?
FYI, this thread is about a Rand Paul interview in case you forgot.
No, this thread is about his point that meddling in elections is something that is fairly common and that we have done it also.
Thus, the manufactured hysteria, on the part of the left, is as always, pure bullshit.
That is what this thread is about, and I understand why you are desperate to change the subject.
You don't practice what you preach.
You said this thread was about the meddling, not what people believe... only to say that it is only Liberals that believe in the election meddling.
Then when I bring up the fact that it isn't just liberals, a la Rand Paul, you say that's not what this thread is about.
Is Rand Paul a liberal? Because in the interview he said he believes Russia meddled in the U.S. election.
A 2016 study by Dov Levin found that, among 938 global elections examined,[a] the United States and Russiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention#cite_note-6 combined had involved themselves in about one out of nine (117), with the majority of those (68%) being through covert, rather than overt, actions. The same study found that "on average, an electoral intervention in favor of one side contesting the election will increase its vote share by about 3 percent," an effect large enough to have potentially changed the results in seven out of 14 U.S. presidential elections occurring after 1960.[2][c][d] According to the study, the U.S. intervened in 81 foreign elections between 1946 and 2000, while the Soviet Union or Russia intervened in 36.[2] A 2018 study by Levin found that the electoral interventions determined in "many cases" the identity of the winner.
