Senate GOP Warns They Will Shut Down The Senate

[Jarlaxle]

Filibuster was a quaint custom that Republicans have been abusing

Go back to 51% vote like the Constitution intended

Then let's go back to Senators being appointed by Governors as well.

I'd be fine with that, actually.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

Did you complain about the Democratic deadlock when they were doing it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

My understanding is that there's only one day (the FIRST day of the new Congress legislative session) when the rule(s) can be changed. The abuses of the last few years makes changing the rules a necessary measure. Not doing so would be irresponsible.

Did you make that argument when the Republicans were considering the nuclear option?

 

[francoHFW]

OP: Great idea, if actually possible.. The rules as is help Pubs, who don't want anything done, just cutting taxes- which for some reason they can do with 51 votes.

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

Did you complain about the Democratic deadlock when they were doing it?

Yup....but they didn't do it half as much as Republicans

 

[Avatar4321]

Yes, we clearly need filibuster reform...

Republicans are obviously abusing the system

Time to reign them in

Yeah. Damn that checks and balances thing. People might actually use them. Can't have that.

 

[Avatar4321]

If the republicans do so, as the op is suggesting, they will pushbthe rest of the country farther away, so I hope they do so, cause if they do 2014/2016 will be good years.

The country is already divided, Obama saw to that in his first term. If disagreeing with Democrat attempts to alter how are government operates simply to make it easier to implement their twisted ideologies, then consider me pushed away from them already.

The public has spoken an Dems have the majority in the Senate. The only difference is that Dems will be able to push through their bills the same way Republicans do in the House

Yeah the public has spoken. They are close to 50/50 divided in opinion.

 

[Avatar4321]

Filibuster was a quaint custom that Republicans have been abusing

Go back to 51% vote like the Constitution intended

Then let's go back to Senators being appointed by Governors as well.

State legislators. And that's a wonderful idea. The biggest problem with our Federal government is the people took away the check the State governments had. That's precisely why we saw government grow the way they did.

If the states have a say in the Federal Government again, you will go a long way to restoring limited government and the Constitution.

 

[Avatar4321]

Filibuster was a quaint custom that Republicans have been abusing

Go back to 51% vote like the Constitution intended

Then let's go back to Senators being appointed by Governors as well.

Go ahead

See if you can get it passed

Doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do to restore the Check the State governments have.

 

[Avatar4321]

No it wouldn't

It would only open up the offices to more corruption and the buying of Senate seats

You're joking, right? It's much easier to buy a senate seat when you are directly supplying campaign contributions to the Senator for a reelection bid than if you have to pay off a bunch of state legislators to appoint someone you like.

Pay off one person v pay off a lot of people. Hmmmm which way do you think would be easier?

 

[Avatar4321]

How Authoritarian of you. What's next, make the Bush Family hereditary rulers?

Do you understand why the founders intended the Senators to be appointed by the Governors?

Was it the same reason they only gave the vote to white male property owners?

Nope. Especially since the Founders allowed women and others to vote back then. It wasn't until the political parties started taking off and realizing that certain groups were backing the "wrong" candidates that restrictions on women voting and others popped up.

 

[Avatar4321]

Do you understand why the founders intended the Senators to be appointed by the Governors?

Was it the same reason they only gave the vote to white male property owners?

Basicaly, yes

By having Senators appointed by the wealthy they could keep the Congressmen elected by the masses in check. There is also no accountability

You guys are seriously ignorant of history.

 

[rightwinger]

Mitch McConnell has never seen a filibuster he didn't like

Time to take away his favorite toy

 

[Avatar4321]

Basicaly, yes

By having Senators appointed by the wealthy they could keep the Congressmen elected by the masses in check. There is also no accountability

Yep, they would be acccountable to the state, the way the founders intended, instead of the wealthy that fund their elections. The intent was to have the house accountable to the people and the senate accountable to the states, now no one is accountable to anyone except their donors. No one should be able to donate to a campaign that is not physically located in the area the politician represents.

Senators would be accountable to the Governors who appointed them

Right now...Senators are accountable to the PEOPLE of the state they represent

I think you mean the special interests who paid for their campaign. They are supposed to be accountable to the STATES since they are the Check the States were given.

 

[Avatar4321]

Unless your answer is because he can you are wrong. The simple proff of that is he didn't even pass a budget when Nancy was still speaker of the House, and the Democrats had a large enough majority to pass anything they wanted. That alone proves it is not about the Republicans, like you think it is.

you mean the mere 90 days out of the last 4 years that democrats had a super majority that could have passed anything in the Senate?

No, I mean the two years that Democrats controlled the House of Representatives.

Just an FYI, budgets only require a majority vote, and cannot be filibustered anyway, so pointing out Reid did not have a super majority when we are talking about the budget makes you look even dumber than you usually do.

And even if there was a filibuster it wouldn't stop Reid from being able to put things up for a vote. Can't filibust things that were never allowed to be voted on.

 

[Avatar4321]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

So what was the filibuster intended to be use for if not to obstruct legislation not liked and to prevent up and down votes on measures?

And how does the current rule change the fact that Harry Reid isn't allowing legislation to come up for a vote in the first place?

 

[Avatar4321]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

The Founders designed the system to have lots of gridlock. When the politicians argue, the people are free.

 

[Avatar4321]

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

Did you complain about the Democratic deadlock when they were doing it?

Yup....but they didn't do it half as much as Republicans

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Avatar4321]

Mitch McConnell has never seen a filibuster he didn't like

Time to take away his favorite toy

Heaven forbid anyone object to legislation proposed.

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats would have to be crazy (or stupid) to give in to Republican threats when everyone knows that Republicans will only continue to use the filibuster in a way that it was never intended to be used simply to continue to obstruct any legislation they don't like by denying a free and fair up or down vote to measures they can't otherwise stop.

Republicans have abused their filibuster privileges to gridlock the legislative process.

Time to revoke their privilege

The Founders designed the system to have lots of gridlock. When the politicians argue, the people are free.

Yea...sure they did

If they wanted gridlock they could have put in a 60% vote requirement