Self-directed individual travel in Cuba is prohibited by Trump

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    Last November- December I spent vocation in Cuba. It was very interesting and unusual experience enjoyed much.
    Met a lot of Canadians, Europeans and people from Latin America, few Americans. They are met in Havana and Varadero, not while traveling over the country.

    Trump announces Cuba policy changes

    I am absolutely sure the more we communicate the more we know each other the less lie can tear nations from each other.
    People in Cuba was the greatest discovery for me - they are very kind, ready to help, friendly... I was surprised to see they are happy in spite of being poor according to my conception of living.
    Any barriers do not serve right.
     
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    People in Cuba risk their lives to escape Cuba. Nice you had a great vaca and all, but they are poor. That they are kind in spite of it, is all the more reason not to support their oppressor. I have the feeling that the people that did escape there are better qualified to weigh in on the real Cuba, (not vacation Cuba), and they all seem thrilled with what Trump just did.
     
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    Not all Cubans hated Castro's Cuba.

    This is Fidel’s legacy. Clean water and electricity for all. And universal free education and healthcare. Cubans often joke that they’re healthier and better educated than Americans despite the 50-year-plus US blockade.

    So for me, rural Cuba is Fidel’s Cuba. His ideals live on here – and the rural poor of Cuba have benefited the most from his cradle-to-grave policies. Here, the grandchildren of peasants really do go on to become consultant surgeons and commercial airline pilots. These are the people who idolise Fidel and will mourn his passing more than most.

    My family live in Cuba – the people may be poor, but Fidel Castro's legacy will live on
     
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    What is poor?
    In many countries of the world people often can see luxury in shops but have no possibility to get medical service or good education...
    But in Cuba medicine is one of the best and it is absolutely free for Cubans. All the Latin America comes to Cuban hospitals.
    Education: secondary is compulsory and free, higher one is free for those who can pass the exams.
    Food is poor for me but nobody is hungry in Cuba as they get free everything necessary every month.

    They are poor only if you look at their life through your vision. But why do you think that your vision is right?

    As far as I can judge the main reason why Cubans feel happy (they do really feel themselves happy according to numerous sociological surveys) is they do not have envy.
    Nobody has luxury, all people are equal.

    And there is no racism at all!

    Criminality is the lowest in both Americas.

    Cuba is another world. And I liked it very much.
     
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    The people of Cuba are certainly better off than the people living in Flint Michigan.
    Regardless of any income disparities.
     
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    Cuba repaid Obama ' s overtures with even greater repression. More than 50 years after the revolution, people are still risking their lives to LEAVE. Castro made education completely egalitarian, which is a main reason why he is not scorned for the kleptocrat that he was. It is infuriating that this murdering bastard remains an icon to American leftists. Nothing but psychotic masochism could motivate anyone to leave any other country to live in Cuba, which is why the phenomenon is almost unheard of.

    How can people be so blind? It is truly a puzzlement.
     
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    This is the first time I've read or heard that. What's your source?

    I haven't seen that in the news latetly...all I've heard in the foreign press is praise for Castro and his worldwide humanitarian efforts. What mad dictator has ever sent doctors all over the third world for free? What butchering murder has ever given so much to the health and welfare of those who have no other options.... Free medical school offered to all the underserved forlorn communities of the world. Castro's socialism is unlike any other. He actually believed in it and did something no other nation has done for the poor people of the world.

    What evidence do you have to support your kleptocrat premise?

    I don't call executing traitors murder.
    And Castro's world altruism has overshadowed any ideological leanings he might have had.

    Castro has seemingly worked miracles to maintain the health and welfare of his nation despite the U.S. embargo. I can only imagine how successful he might have been without the U.S. acting clandestinely trying, albeit in vain, to make him fail...

    I'm not blind. Thank God for allowing me to see things as they are and not be influenced by groupthink. I liked Castro and make no bones about it.
    I was sold on Castro as a good man when he sent troops to South Africa to fight against apartheid. You right wing conservatives were the darlings of those racist South African murderers. There...that was the example of murdering butchers.
    Get the fuck outta my face...
     
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