Self Destruction Is What We Are Planning

[Annie]

Good lord:


http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local...936.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breakingheadlines

Incoming FDNY chaplain questions 9/11 story




BY CAROL EISENBERG
STAFF WRITER

September 30, 2005

An imam slated to be sworn in Friday as the second Muslim chaplain in Fire Department history said he questioned whether 19 hijackers were responsible for the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and suggested a broader conspiracy may have brought down the Twin Towers and killed more than 2,700 people.

In a telephone interview Thursday, Imam Intikab Habib, 30, a native of Guyana who studied Islam in Saudi Arabia, said he doubted the United States government's official story blaming 19 hijackers associated with al-Quaida and Osama bin Laden.

"I as an individual don't know who did the attacks," said Habib, 30, a soft-spoken man who immigrated to New York in July 2000 after spending six years in Saudi Arabia getting a degree in Islamic theology and law. "There are so many conflicting reports about it. I don't believe it was 19 ... hijackers who did those attacks."

Asked to elaborate on his reasons for doubting that story, he talked about video and news reports widely disseminated in the Muslim community.

"I've heard professionals say that nowhere ever in history did a steel building come down with fire alone," he said. "It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours. Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down, or was it a conspiracy?"

Questioned about who he believed was responsible for the attacks, Habib said he didn't know. He said, however, that he did not expect to raise his doubts with rank-and-file firefighters -- nor did he share them two weeks ago when he participated in several Sept. 11 memorials on behalf of the Fire Department.

"My position as a chaplain is that whoever did it, it's a tragic incident," he said. "I feel sorrow for the families who lost loved ones and for the firefighters who died in it. Whoever did it, it was a very wrong thing. It's always wrong to take an innocent human life."

A spokesman for the Fire Department, Frank Gribbon, said that Habib was recommended by the department's Islamic Society and was hired "based on his credentials as a religious person. We don't ask new employees about their political views before we hire them."

Stephen Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, could not be reached for comment.

Habib's remarks about the attacks came in response to questions about whether he thought firefighters would accept a chaplain who had been educated in Saudi Arabia.

He said he did not expect that to be an issue because "I come from a country where you're accustomed to living with people of different ethnic, religious and racial backgrounds."

When pressed further about whether the hijackers' backgrounds -- 15 of whom were Saudi -- might make his training an issue for still-grieving firefighters, he went on to express his own doubts about the hijacker story.

Habib was one of several imams recommended for the chaplain's job by the Islamic Society for the Fire Department, as a result of his work teaching junior high students at Al-Ihsan Academy in Ozone Park, a private Islamic school, where he worked for about five years.

"He's a good man," said Hakim Braxton, president of the Islamic Society. "Any statements he's made, he's responsible for ... But I would ask that the citizens of this city give him a chance and judge him on his actions."

Braxton also stressed that neither he nor anyone in the Islamic Society would agree with anyone who tried to justify the terror attack in any way. "I lost friends, family, co-workers," he said.

Braxton described Habib as a "humble, grounded and family man, which is a good thing in this job, because he's trying to help everyone and he's representing a very diverse community."

Habib himself said he saw his role as ministering to every member of the Fire Department, not just to Muslims.

"Being a chaplain in the Fire Department, I serve the whole Fire Department," he said.

 

[GotZoom]

Nothing will happen to him.

If he was fired because of his comments, it would be called insensitivity and discrimination.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Disclaimer: Ok, I'm totally not saying this is real or that I believe this to be the truth at all. But this ties in to what the Imam is talking about.

Some of you may have seen this already.

Flight 77 9/11 Conspiracy

 

[Annie]

Disclaimer: Ok, I'm totally not saying this is real or that I believe this to be the truth at all. But this ties in to what the Imam is talking about.

Some of you may have seen this already.

Flight 77 9/11 Conspiracy

Yeah, Pentagon? Heard of it,

 

[theHawk]

Yes we've seen that doctored video.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

My apologies oh great one! You will not hear it from my lips ever again!

 

[GotZoom]

My apologies oh great one! You will not hear it from my lips ever again!

Do you really think that, considering the nature of the message board and some of the people that are here (not to mention, come and gone), that we haven't heard all this before?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Do you really think that, considering the nature of the message board and some of the people that are here (not to mention, come and gone), that we haven't heard all this before?

Everything else gets repeated over and over here, why get angry about this?

 

[dmp]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

 

[GotZoom]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here, why get angry about this?

Who is angry?

 

[GotZoom]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

Does not.

 

[Annie]

That was fast"

http://www.nynewsday.com/nyc-imam01,0,995232,print.story?coll=nyc-topheadlines-span

Imam resigns as incoming FDNY chaplain after report




BY CAROL EISENBERG
STAFF WRITER

September 30, 2005, 11:20 AM EDT

An imam slated to be sworn in today as the second Muslim chaplain in Fire Department history, instead resigned after making controversial remarks on the Sept. 11 attacks in an interview with Newsday.

"The Fire Department this morning received the resignation of Imam Intikab Habib from his position of FDNY Chaplain," said FDNY Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta. "Based on comments he made to Newsday, Imam Intikab Habib would have been unable to effectively serve in the role he was appointed to."

In a telephone interview Thursday, Habib, 30, a native of Guyana who studied Islam in Saudi Arabia, said he questioned whether 19 hijackers were responsible for the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and suggested a broader conspiracy may have brought down the Twin Towers and killed more than 2,700 people.

He said he doubted the United States government's official story blaming 19 hijackers associated with al-Quaida and Osama bin Laden.

"I as an individual don't know who did the attacks," said Habib, 30, a soft-spoken man who immigrated to New York in July 2000 after spending six years in Saudi Arabia getting a degree in Islamic theology and law. "There are so many conflicting reports about it. I don't believe it was 19 ... hijackers who did those attacks."

Asked to elaborate on his reasons for doubting that story, he talked about video and news reports widely disseminated in the Muslim community.

"I've heard professionals say that nowhere ever in history did a steel building come down with fire alone," he said. "It takes two or three weeks to demolish a building like that. But it was pulled down in a couple of hours. Was it 19 hijackers who brought it down, or was it a conspiracy?"

Questioned about who he believed was responsible for the attacks, Habib said he didn't know. He said, however, that he did not expect to raise his doubts with rank-and-file firefighters -- nor did he share them two weeks ago when he participated in several Sept. 11 memorials on behalf of the Fire Department.

"My position as a chaplain is that whoever did it, it's a tragic incident," he said. "I feel sorrow for the families who lost loved ones and for the firefighters who died in it. Whoever did it, it was a very wrong thing. It's always wrong to take an innocent human life."

A spokesman for the Fire Department, Frank Gribbon, said that Habib was recommended by the department's Islamic Society and was hired "based on his credentials as a religious person. We don't ask new employees about their political views before we hire them."

Stephen Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, could not be reached for comment.

Habib's remarks about the attacks came in response to questions about whether he thought firefighters would accept a chaplain who had been educated in Saudi Arabia.

He said he did not expect that to be an issue because "I come from a country where you're accustomed to living with people of different ethnic, religious and racial backgrounds."

When pressed further about whether the hijackers' backgrounds -- 15 of whom were Saudi -- might make his training an issue for still-grieving firefighters, he went on to express his own doubts about the hijacker story.

Habib was one of several imams recommended for the chaplain's job by the Islamic Society for the Fire Department, as a result of his work teaching junior high students at Al-Ihsan Academy in Ozone Park, a private Islamic school, where he worked for about five years.

"He's a good man," said Hakim Braxton, president of the Islamic Society. "Any statements he's made, he's responsible for ... But I would ask that the citizens of this city give him a chance and judge him on his actions."

Braxton also stressed that neither he nor anyone in the Islamic Society would agree with anyone who tried to justify the terror attack in any way. "I lost friends, family, co-workers," he said.

Braxton described Habib as a "humble, grounded and family man, which is a good thing in this job, because he's trying to help everyone and he's representing a very diverse community."

Habib himself said he saw his role as ministering to every member of the Fire Department, not just to Muslims.

"Being a chaplain in the Fire Department, I serve the whole Fire Department," he said.

Copyright © 2005, Newsday, Inc.

 

[GotZoom]

Best thing that could have happened.

 

[USViking]

Excellent, now let's put this no good SOB
in line for a one-way ticket back to Guyana.

 

[USMCDevilDog]

About the Chaplain, who cares, he might be good, but I think for sure the firefighters wouldn't have treated him nicely.

About that Pentagon video, I for one haven't seen that before and it raised some good questions. I too remember looking at the TV screen when they were showing the damage done maybe 3-5 minutes after the "plane" hit and there was NO plane remnants. Like the video said, a Boeing 757 would definetely leave something and would have blown up way more then that little section. Also, not alot of people were asked what happened, you'd think after the PENTAGON, in D.C. was hit by a plane, the people who saw it would be on the news talking about it, but there were hardly any.
Also, my Uncle and some of my family live up in Pittsburgh. They say they remember the local news coming on and the reporter was asking a resident near the crash site of Flight 97 (I think thats the flight, the one in Pennsylvania) said that she (her neighbors and people from other neighborhoods said the same thing) saw a military jet flying behind the plane, she heard a big boom and the jet was gone, then the plane crashed. Almost immediatley after this came on it was off the TV and it went to a "Loss of Footage" screen. My family says they've never seen it since, but know people, alot of them who say they saw that jet. Some say there wasn't even a plane. Kinda freaky though if you look at pictures and videos, theres NO plane what-so-ever, no fragments or anything where it hit in Penn.
Another thing is the "Missile" that's on the planes that hit the WTC's, but I think thats BS, but who knows.

All this shit is on this site http://www.letsroll911.org/ I'm sure everyone has seen it already.

I think this is just another incident that we're gonna be asking questions about for a very long time, kinda like the Kennedy assassination.

 

[insein]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

 

[Annie]

About the Chaplain, who cares, he might be good, but I think for sure the firefighters wouldn't have treated him nicely.

About that Pentagon video, I for one haven't seen that before and it raised some good questions. I too remember looking at the TV screen when they were showing the damage done maybe 3-5 minutes after the "plane" hit and there was NO plane remnants. Like the video said, a Boeing 757 would definetely leave something and would have blown up way more then that little section. Also, not alot of people were asked what happened, you'd think after the PENTAGON, in D.C. was hit by a plane, the people who saw it would be on the news talking about it, but there were hardly any.
Also, my Uncle and some of my family live up in Pittsburgh. They say they remember the local news coming on and the reporter was asking a resident near the crash site of Flight 97 (I think thats the flight, the one in Pennsylvania) said that she (her neighbors and people from other neighborhoods said the same thing) saw a military jet flying behind the plane, she heard a big boom and the jet was gone, then the plane crashed. Almost immediatley after this came on it was off the TV and it went to a "Loss of Footage" screen. My family says they've never seen it since, but know people, alot of them who say they saw that jet. Some say there wasn't even a plane. Kinda freaky though if you look at pictures and videos, theres NO plane what-so-ever, no fragments or anything where it hit in Penn.
Another thing is the "Missile" that's on the planes that hit the WTC's, but I think thats BS, but who knows.

All this shit is on this site http://www.letsroll911.org/ I'm sure everyone has seen it already.

I think this is just another incident that we're gonna be asking questions about for a very long time, kinda like the Kennedy assassination.

Ummm let's see. It's before 9a.m. on 9/11, a plane crashes into Tower 1. NY media starts covering, many turn on CNN. There are reports of small plane or helo crashing, but all can see the hole is too big. While watching, we see the 2nd plane hit. For the first time, the lights start dawning from some, NYC is under attack. Planes ordered to land.

Reports of planes not responding-more than 2 more. If there is any conspiracy to be found, it's that others got away, not that the terrorists hit the Pentagon and crashed while under attack in PA.

 

[USMCDevilDog]

Ummm let's see. It's before 9a.m. on 9/11, a plane crashes into Tower 1. NY media starts covering, many turn on CNN. There are reports of small plane or helo crashing, but all can see the hole is too big. While watching, we see the 2nd plane hit. For the first time, the lights start dawning from some, NYC is under attack. Planes ordered to land.

Reports of planes not responding-more than 2 more. If there is any conspiracy to be found, it's that others got away, not that the terrorists hit the Pentagon and crashed while under attack in PA.

I don't understand your point? I'm not being rude, I honestly don't understand what you meant by that, please elaborate

 

[dmp]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

 

[GotZoom]

Everything else gets repeated over and over here.

Does not.