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[Xenimus]

Wow, you covered alot here.

Originally posted by armstrong80
Strong defense is all about making money. Read a history book. Whenever there is a strong military buildup in this country, the economy flourishes. The reason is this: being a soldier is a paying job. It may not pay that much in $, but that's not reason you join service anyway. That soldier, who has job, has to fed clothed, housed, armed, and trained. That means that more people have jobs making uniforms, boots, housing complexes, armaments, and soldiers get to advance and become drill seargents (or drill instructers for the leathernecks). Thats means alot of money will change hands, and I learned in 1st grade math class that that is a good thing. When are liberals gonna wake up and realize that a huge military is n't good for the economy, it's frickin' wonderful. 1917- huge build up, great economy through the 20's

1941- huge build up, great economy through the 50's

1981- massive build up, great economy all the way through the 90's

You are correct, having perpetual war does make alot of money for the country, mostly private corporations, but there are jobs. After WWII this became standard do to our officials. Does that justify the result? These corporations that make billions off war, do have political effects on our goverment.
And concerning having a huge military? It is VERY good for our defense despite alot of military money wasted and stupid shit. We must ensure to have zero war profiteers.
And I pretty sure its Bush thats cutting our combat pay and veteran's benifits!!

Conservatives want to cut taxes across the board, which doesn't really matter, because poverty level gets all of their tax money back in the form of a refund. But let's talk stright here. If the rich have more money because of a tax cut, guess what? They are most likely gonna spend it. (This merely a rough example) Joe Somebody in Queens, making minimum wage is probably gonna spend his money on neccesities like food and bills. He can take his money and spend 88 cents on a can of corn. This can of corn took 18 people to make and get to the shelf. Bob the CEO just got a tax cut and decides to spend it on a brand new Gulfstream 5 that took 108 peple to build. Now Joe Somebody can get a job building a jet and buy more cans of corn, possibly a new chevy to drive around Queens. See how the rich having more money can help?

You are missing the point in your first comment here, we need to focus on the middle class so the lower class is almost none existant. See the middle class is not a natural thing here in America, we got it by pushing politically.
Trickle down econimics is a mythe, as Bush Sr. would say, Voodoo Economics. It merely is a push to focus the taxes on the lower classes of america by the rich. Those people who make their money sitting by the pool waiting for dividen check to arrive aren't gonna spend much more than they already have. Oh, and gulf stream is bad example, small businesses dont make gulfstreams.

Killing thousands in the name of peace? I sure am glad no one protested our war of independence.If they had, I would probably know all the words to "Hail to the King."

That was not a war for peace, WWII as war for peace. When the world is threatened by an evil like another hitler, they will see it. If Saddam was such a threat, there wouldn't be this kind of opposition and such a need to persuade. If there was an obvious problem we wouldnt hesitate, we would launch strikes almost instantly to protect our nation, its the law. Like if Iraq was holding nuclear weapons, and we found out! We would just blow the hell out of it, problem solved, no weapons. we have horrid border control too, like our seaports dont get checked nearly enough. So anyway do you still think the boston tea party was a protest against england?

Federal Marriage Protection Act- defines Marriage as a union between a man and a woman - signed into law by none other that Bill "A blowjob isn't sex" Clinton. If this was such an important issue, then why did the gay community wait until there was compassionate conservative in the White House?

Heh, this is void. I believe Clinton would have upheld civil unions to protect their right. And just because he did that does not mean hes going to go outlaw gay marraige. And who cares about clinton, he was mediocre anyway!!

woowee, lot of subjects, all I can squeeze out for now.

 

[armstrong80]

All valid points. I commend you. Will refute after after sleep.

Except Iraq is not a war for peace either, It is struggle for freedom and democracy, freedom from tyranny. Sound familiar? 1776?

"a conservatism that brings with it economic prosperity, personal opportunity, and a shining hope that someday all the peoples of the world - from Afghanistan to Nicaragua to Poland and, yes, to Angola - will know the blessings of liberty and live in the light of freedom."
Ronald Reagan


"Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong."
Ronald Reagan

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
Ronald Reagan

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

These are the reason's we fight. So the whole world may may enjoy the freedoms. These may not be the reasons we were given for going to war, but they are why we fight.


God Bless

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Thsi thing was so biased it wasn't even funny.

 

[jillian]

You are correct, having perpetual war does make alot of money for the country, mostly private corporations, but there are jobs. After WWII this became standard do to our officials. Does that justify the result? These corporations that make billions off war, do have political effects on our goverment.
And concerning having a huge military? It is VERY good for our defense despite alot of military money wasted and stupid shit. We must ensure to have zero war profiteers.
And I pretty sure its Bush thats cutting our combat pay and veteran's benifits!!

It is also the manufacturing jobs which previously created wealth during war time. It wasn't military salaries. And there are laws against profiteering. They just seem to not be enforced right now. And yes, Bush has cut combat pay and benefits. This has seemed a very strange way for the admin to support the troops.

You are missing the point in your first comment here, we need to focus on the middle class so the lower class is almost none existant. See the middle class is not a natural thing here in America, we got it by pushing politically. Trickle down econimics is a mythe, as Bush Sr. would say, Voodoo Economics. It merely is a push to focus the taxes on the lower classes of america by the rich. Those people who make their money sitting by the pool waiting for dividen check to arrive aren't gonna spend much more than they already have. Oh, and gulf stream is bad example, small businesses dont make gulfstreams.

Alll quite true. Also true is that poor folk aren't politically active. They haven't the time to be because their focus is on survival. It's the vital middle class which has resources and interest in the political process.

That was not a war for peace, WWII as war for peace. When the world is threatened by an evil like another hitler, they will see it. If Saddam was such a threat, there wouldn't be this kind of opposition and such a need to persuade. If there was an obvious problem we wouldnt hesitate, we would launch strikes almost instantly to protect our nation, its the law. Like if Iraq was holding nuclear weapons, and we found out! We would just blow the hell out of it, problem solved, no weapons. we have horrid border control too, like our seaports dont get checked nearly enough. So anyway do you still think the boston tea party was a protest against england?

Iraq occurred for one reason: the PNAC agenda as set forth in its letter to Bill Clinton in 1998:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

If you look at the signatories, you'll see a lot of familiar names.

Heh, this is void. I believe Clinton would have upheld civil unions to protect their right. And just because he did that does not mean hes going to go outlaw gay marraige. And who cares about clinton, he was mediocre anyway!!

I agree that civil unions would have been a non-issue and that discussing Clinton when he hasn't been in power for six years seems counterproductive.