Secession

[WorldAHope]

I agree. Secessionist chatter is Charley Manson politics. Keep the half wit followers all worked up with rabble rousing crazy talk, keep blowing that dog whistle so they don't recognize that Secession is a really bad idea for their states and teh nation, from every angle.

I say we send the SEALS out to find each Secesh, and just hang 'em. Short 10 minute trial.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..and think about it, if this socalist/marxist leader of yours can woo the likes of Hugo and Immadinajacket,, then surely he can be diplomatic with the Republican States of American can he not?

 

[Red Dawn]

a discussion about a very real political and historical issue in america

seccession is an act of treason, pure and simple.


I'm suprised Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Tom Delay and other GOPers are so proud of promoting treason.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, since there's no precedent since the Civil War, then I'd be all for letting them go it alone and wish them luck. But since DHS's Border Control is a U.S. agency, all Texans would need a passport to drive over to Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma and New Mexico, then go through customs at hubs if flying or by rail. Texans would need to apply for Green Cards in order to work in any of the other 49 states.

There are multitude of extremely SIMPLE problems with secession before they would even get to the MAJOR problems.

There are. That's true. but i dont think we have to worry about anything.

Of course not. This is just the latest in a whole stream of idiotic noise just to keep the haters riled up. Heaven Forbid they should sit back and take a deep breath and THINK.

You should listen to RichardH and expel us.. that will show us.

 

[WillowTree]

a discussion about a very real political and historical issue in america

seccession is an act of treason, pure and simple.


I'm suprised Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Tom Delay and other GOPers are so proud of promoting treason.

well why don't you take a moment and outline the benefits of remaining together given the intense level of hatred one party has for the other. I see no benefit do you? I hate that you hate me I see no reason not to seperate from you.. what say you?

 

[WillowTree]

I agree. Secessionist chatter is Charley Manson politics. Keep the half wit followers all worked up with rabble rousing crazy talk, keep blowing that dog whistle so they don't recognize that Secession is a really bad idea for their states and teh nation, from every angle.

I say we send the SEALS out to find each Secesh, and just hang 'em. Short 10 minute trial.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.


Jane Fonda Committed treason

Since the seceding states have not declared war on you or anyone else you have no legal basis to hang anyone and no treason has been committed.

 

[WorldAHope]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

 

[WorldAHope]

a discussion about a very real political and historical issue in america

seccession is an act of treason, pure and simple.


I'm suprised Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Tom Delay and other GOPers are so proud of promoting treason.

well why don't you take a moment and outline the benefits of remaining together given the intense level of hatred one party has for the other. I see no benefit do you? I hate that you hate me I see no reason not to seperate from you.. what say you?

Then leave, renounce US citizenship, but you can't take the state with you.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

nope,, not even close.

 

[WorldAHope]

I agree. Secessionist chatter is Charley Manson politics. Keep the half wit followers all worked up with rabble rousing crazy talk, keep blowing that dog whistle so they don't recognize that Secession is a really bad idea for their states and teh nation, from every angle.

I say we send the SEALS out to find each Secesh, and just hang 'em. Short 10 minute trial.

The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.


Jane Fonda Committed treason

Since the seceding states have not declared war on you or anyone else you have no legal basis to hang anyone and no treason has been committed.

Okay, but if we can't hang them, can't at least waterboard the secesh ?
Tickle them until they asphyxiate ? Truck them to the wasteland border of Mexico and let them loose in the desert, naked and blindfolded and handcuffed ?

 

[WillowTree]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

You haven't addressed the part about the intense political hatred and what benefit you see in sticking together. I see the country in a downward spiral don't you.. you didn't support President Bush, and I don't like the present regime. what good would staying together do given the intense level of hatred. in short why would you want to keep Republicans around knowing how much you hate and abhor everthing they stand for? Don't be a hypocrite..

 

[MaggieMae]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

You haven't addressed the part about the intense political hatred and what benefit you see in sticking together. I see the country in a downward spiral don't you.. you didn't support President Bush, and I don't like the present regime. what good would staying together do given the intense level of hatred. in short why would you want to keep Republicans around knowing how much you hate and abhor everthing they stand for? Don't be a hypocrite..

AT LAST, someone speaks the truth instead of dancing around the issue. Partisan divide forever, unless Republicans (cons) rule. I get it.

 

[WillowTree]

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

You haven't addressed the part about the intense political hatred and what benefit you see in sticking together. I see the country in a downward spiral don't you.. you didn't support President Bush, and I don't like the present regime. what good would staying together do given the intense level of hatred. in short why would you want to keep Republicans around knowing how much you hate and abhor everthing they stand for? Don't be a hypocrite..

AT LAST, someone speaks the truth instead of dancing around the issue. Partisan divide forever, unless Republicans (cons) rule. I get it.[/QUOTE]



Yes in a partisan divide sort of way you get it. You just got it backwards. Democwats never want to work together for the good of the country unless they are in power. It's been very noticable the last eight years.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..and think about it, if this socalist/marxist leader of yours can woo the likes of Hugo and Immadinajacket,, then surely he can be diplomatic with the Republican States of American can he not?

Man, you are so out of touch with reality. You don't live in the real world. By your own admission, you don't work and you sit around on a computer all day reading message boards and rightwing blogs. You're reality is totally warped by the coccoon you live in.

The real world is nothing like what you describe. Those of us who work, contribute, and live in the real world get along fine with conservative and republican peers at work. And most people with real lives don't even follow politics that much. Your assertion of a country full of "hate", is simply a figment of your imagination, and the fact that you live in a isolated bubble.

 

[WorldAHope]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

You haven't addressed the part about the intense political hatred and what benefit you see in sticking together. I see the country in a downward spiral don't you.. you didn't support President Bush, and I don't like the present regime. what good would staying together do given the intense level of hatred. in short why would you want to keep Republicans around knowing how much you hate and abhor everthing they stand for? Don't be a hypocrite..

How can one political party secede from the union ?
A Political party is not a governmental entity. It is not a state with geographic boundaries.

Do you suggest the USA does what India and Pakistan did after they separated from British rule in 1947, physically segregate Republicans from Democrats, make 2 seperate nations ?
..all because....YOU guys are so-o-o-o unhappy now.....'cos you lost all that politcal power...the large majority of American voters don't like the incompetent and corrupt GOP running things in Washington DC anymore.....boo hoo hoo. "We wanna GO !!1 boo ho hoo.."

Do you realize How pathetic and lame and childish you guys sound ?
Like you have lost all affinity for the USA, now that voters have cast their ballots.

IF you are a person who loves America, you will stick around and actually WANT to help clean up the MESS the GOP and Bush made.
If not, than you make it plain: you despise the entire idea of democracy in the United States of America.

Maybe you'd be happier somewhere else.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, think about it. Democrats hate Republicans and vice versa. It's totally evident in the WH, the House of Representatives, the Senate. And in everyday life. It's evident on the blogs, on message boards and in all walks of life. It's been that way for a long time. When a Republican is in the WH the Dems are miserable obstructive and bitching. When a socialist DEmocrat is in the WH the Republicans are whining obstructive and bitching. Secession may be the perfect solution to seperate those who are irrevreocably divided by political hatred..and think about it, if this socalist/marxist leader of yours can woo the likes of Hugo and Immadinajacket,, then surely he can be diplomatic with the Republican States of American can he not?

Man, you are so out of touch with reality. You don't live in the real world. By your own admission, you don't work and you sit around on a computer all day reading message boards and rightwing blogs. You're reality is totally warped by the coccoon you live in.

The real world is nothing like what you describe. Those of us who work, contribute, and live in the real world get along fine with conservative and republican peers at work. And most people with real lives don't even follow politics that much. Your assertion of a country full of "hate", is simply a figment of your imagination, and the fact that you live in a isolated bubble.

Not at all, I live in the real world too. I also watch C-span MSNBC CNN and all Press conferences.. I have yet to hear a Democrat say a nice thing about a Republican.. especially in the last eight years. it's all been unfiltered, unadulterated, unceasing hatred. Where do you live? on Mars?

 

[WillowTree]

So, can one town secede from their county if they don't like that their group lost political power in the recent election ?
Can one county or city secede from the state, say Orange County hates California's government,
or Austin hates the Texas government, and decides it wants out. ?

Suppose in Texas, or Alaska, citizens who don't want to secede hold a recall petition drive to get a recall election ?

Talk of Secession is like a pouty immature spoiled kid who doesn't get his/her way saying
"I'm taking my toys and going over to sulk by myself".
Not adult behavior. It is Not what democratically elected representatives in a republic should revert to when they can't get their policies shoved though.

Secession is treason, plain and simple. One more elected official or Governor calls for it, I want
Obama to send US Marshals to arrest him/her.

You haven't addressed the part about the intense political hatred and what benefit you see in sticking together. I see the country in a downward spiral don't you.. you didn't support President Bush, and I don't like the present regime. what good would staying together do given the intense level of hatred. in short why would you want to keep Republicans around knowing how much you hate and abhor everthing they stand for? Don't be a hypocrite..

How can one political party secede from the union ?
A Political party is not a governmental entity. It is not a state with geographic boundaries.

Do you suggest the USA does what India and Pakistan did after they separated from British rule in 1947, physically segregate Republicans from Democrats, make 2 seperate nations ?
..all because....YOU guys are so-o-o-o unhappy now.....'cos you lost all that politcal power...the large majority of American voters don't like the incompetent and corrupt GOP running things in Washington DC anymore.....boo hoo hoo. "We wanna GO !!1 boo ho hoo.."

Do you realize How pathetic and lame and childish you guys sound ?
Like you have lost all affinity for the USA, now that voters have cast their ballots.

IF you are a person who loves America, you will stick around and actually WANT to help clean up the MESS the GOP and Bush made.
If not, than you make it plain: you despise the entire idea of democracy in the United States of America.

Maybe you'd be happier somewhere else.

Why do you want to keep Republicans around? You don't support them at all.

 

[alan1]

Instead of discissing the seccession of Texas and Alaska, what we should be discussing is the legality of expulsion from the Union. After all do we really want these states, where the majority of the people actually believed that Sarah Palin was an acceptable vice president, to be part of our Union?

I think not!

Seriously, these states are obviously overloaded with dumb asses. We would be far better off without them. Just the fact that so many of them support the idea of secession is testimony enough.

Of course, whether by secession or expulsion, they would no longer enjoy the benefits of membership in the Union including national defense.

I'd give their independance a life expectancy of about a week before Mexico and Russia reclaimed them.

DUMB ASSES!!!!!

For Russia to "reclaim them", Russia would have first had to have some sort of claim in the past. Name a state where that is the case, genius.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If any single state did seceed, you'd see an ass whoppin'. Mexico even holds itself together with it's piss ant military. Rebels have taken capitals but it never last. If a state announced this, you'd see choppers and tanks moving so damned fast your head would spin. The governors guts would be all over TV.

You are assuming that any given American leader will have the balls to order the military to shoot Americans. Our leaders don't even have the stones to properly make war on a foreign people on the other side of the planet any more, thanks to CNN, et al and public opinion.

Remember the politics that followed Nixon's Kent State mistake? And that was before cable news and the internet.

-Joe

If you think that the Constitution declares that we shall "make war," then you misread the intent. It clearly calls for DEFENSE of the nation, not imperialism.

What the constitution calls for (based on any given interpretation of the words) has not always been what has transpired... my favorite example is congress abdicating their constitutional responsibility to manage the money supply to a semi-private corporation in 1913.

Just because someone can argue a case and convince a human judge with appetites and weaknesses, thus making something 'legal' does not make it 'right'.

Laws were made to be questioned - did we learn nothing from the 60's?

-Joe

 

[amrchaos]

How about this--instead of destroying our homes, how about finding a new nation to tear up and leave us out of it.

I mean, if you are so correct, why can't you shop your ideas elsewhere?