Secession

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Yurt, Apr 17, 2009.

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secession

  1. no, period

    8 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. yes, period

    3 vote(s)
    12.5%
  3. yes, constitution allows

    9 vote(s)
    37.5%
  4. yes, but the aftermath of the war is not worth it

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  5. no, constitution strictly forbids

    2 vote(s)
    8.3%
  6. i'm not sure

    1 vote(s)
    4.2%
  1. Yurt
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    a discussion about a very real political and historical issue in america
     
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    Im not sure what your asking with the poll. Are you asking whether its an option? Whether its legal? Whether its right? what?
     
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    It's illegal.

    Texas v. White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held in a 5–3 decision that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
     
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    Although the question is moot, as indicated by the Supreme Court Decison re: Texas, the original entry of Texas into the union is the reason that the question arose.

    The difference between Texas' admission and other states is that it was based not the usual course of admission, which is treaty, (a treaty meant two-thirds concurrence by the Senate, and this had resulted in a stalemate due to opposition of abolitionists), but by joint legislative resolution, which entailed a simple majority.

    Thus, some have suggested that Texas' admission was unconstitutional. This was adjudicated to be not the case.

    I recommend the book "Polk," by Walter Borneman, which covers this thoroughly.
     
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    Texas v White, a U.S. Supreme Court case decided in 1869, said Texas cannot secede. The court did allow some possibility of the divisibility of the Union in the following statement:

    "The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except (through revolution, or) through consent of the States."
     
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    It's a bad idea.
     
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    Not a bad idea... insane.

    again, a bunch of sore losers whining.

    we tolerated bush for eight years... no one said "we don't want to be americans anymore".

    i am so losing patience with this silliness.
     
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    lets discuss it on a reality farm..first lets take nc...we leave the union...now can we still cross into tn, va, sc, ga without papers? are we to have our own army? currency?

    lets look at the french canadian problem....each vote...is just by a few percentages where they vote not to leave...well fuck em....kick their frog asses out...make them fund their own currency...their own army etc....now note when they vote to leave they do not vote to give up all the benifits of being in canada...so why do they vote...they piss and moan and get money....you would not believe the advantages of being french....student loans...have you a little frenchie baby and loans are forgiven....on and on....have so many kids get this and that...free fucking vacation and no hell i am not making this up
    but i digress...

    i would allow separation as long as it was total just like another country
     
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    unintended consequences of voting a marxist in.. perhaps..
     
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    and if you libtards put every nasty thing you ever said about right wing nutters in a book and read it you would realize you really don't want to live with us anyways..
     

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