Secession: Proposed Constitutional Amendment

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    Some people think that States can summarily secede, others say no. A few like me think they can by following the same process used to be admitted to the Union.

    OK, lets make it official.



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    Although I think seccession is silly, in this theoretical exercise I would change a few things.

    1st, people who have paid into social security ONLY would get back what they paid in. Its only fair as this was the concept of SS, a retirement fund. its like leaving a job, you take what you put in back, unvested.

    2nd: Any "federal" land is returned to the state. It was the states in the first place.

    3rd. Any mobile assets should leave, with the exception of national guard equipment.
     
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    Well no.

    There absolutely should be no right to secede.

    There is a right for folks to leave. If they are unhappy they should use that right.
     
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    I hope we can do this without bloodshed.
     
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    Right now there isnt, the civil war proved that. But this would be a framework, via amendment, that would create that right at state level.
     
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    I disagree, if you want to give up your citizenship, do so. Don't expect the rest of us to pay you bills for the rest of your life.

    "Federal" land is a fixed asset and can't be moved so it would become part of the new country.

    Nope, national guard equipment belongs to DOD a federal agency paid for by the federal government. Since they get to keep all fixed assets paid for with federal dollars (buildings, roads, bridges, dams, etc.) then they all mobile equipment gets moved out.

    Although part of the negotiations conducted during the (up to) 60 day negotiation period could be setting a price on how much we'd sell the equipment to then for.


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    Actually this creates a framework at the federal level. Just as a prospective State needs approval at the federal level to join the Union, it needs approval at the federal level to leave the Union.

    How a Bill of Secession is passed within the State, that is at the State level.



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    Ever notice how the majority of libruls never support State's rights?? As to secession, they don't support that either.. that one is a no brainer. They wouldn't have any taxpayer base to fund their welfare programs.
     
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    What a bunch of whiny fucking crybabies.
     
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    BULLSHIT.. The Federal government does not get to dictate it's FASCIST mandates to the States. That's the entire concept of States rights.
     

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