Screw "Tax The Poor" Capitalism.

[danielpalos]

We could have solved simple poverty; but, the rich wanted their bailout.

 

[danielpalos]

I make a motion to end the labor cost tax preference, for foreign labor employed by US Firms. Only US labor should qualify US Firms for a tax preference.

I make a motion to end the labor cost tax preference, for foreign labor employed by US Firms.

US firms can't deduct foreign salary for foreign workers in a foreign land.

Great job!

LMAOROG, Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

Educate me.

Pretty simple Bubs, it's a COST which they get to deduct, sorry to disappoint you Bubs

You think a US company can hire a guy in India and deduct his salary off US taxes?

Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

what part of "labor cost" do you not understand? There is no reason for that tax preference, at US labor's expense.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's get serious, for 36+ years the GOP has had a goal of "starve the beast" which ISN'T for making deficits or debt smaller!

Yes starve the beast since the beast according to our genius and saintly Founders was the thing that needed to be starved most!! Why do you oppose the basic principle of America?

But also they have shut down the govt, opposed debt ceiling increases, and signed the Pledge as our Founders would have wanted

but mostly they have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson's first to make debt illegal. Libcommie Democrats have killed every one of them. Do you know why? Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders?

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG, After BJ Bill's first surplus the GOP passed a $792+ billion tax cut he had to veto to get 3 more surpluses, THEN the Dubya/GOP policy took over and we saw how fiscally conservative you Klowns were!

You're really one of the most ignorant on this board Bubs, and that's a low bar!

A tax on consumable items that you can choose to purchase or not isn't the same thing as a tax on one's labor...now is it? You can avoid the gas tax by not having a car, no? BTW, there never was a "surplus" under Bill "drop trou"...it's a total myth. The last time USA.INC ever had a "surplus" was under Andrew Jackson when he refused to renew the charter of the central bank. What was the public debt under Bill "drop trou"????? The total national debt on September 30th, 2000 was 5.6 trillion dollars....so what about that alleged "surplus"? Bushpuppet doubled it and then the Barrypuppet doubled it...see? That is what happens when you have a debt based fiat currency system with a central banking system...it's nothing but a machine of perpetual debt slavery.

Ah another right winger not understanding the difference with a yearly budget and the debt. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org


About 90% of current debt can be traced back to POLICIES by Ronnie Reagan AND Dubya

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives to limit government spending by cutting taxes, in order to deprive the federal government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force it to reduce
spending.

Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."

Starve the beast - Wikipedia

No, what remains at the end of the day is the 5.6 Trillion dollars owed to the foreign owned central bank known as the "Federal Reserve" after Bill "drop trou" left office and that debt has doubled with each presidency. You have a lot to learn. Have you ever heard of the "Grace Commission"? How the "income tax" does not fund "da gubermint" but pays the interest to the mostly foreign owned private bank known as the "Federal Reserve" that is neither "federal" and has no reserves"????

what remains at the end of the day is the 5.6 Trillion dollars owed to the foreign owned central bank known as the "Federal Reserve"

The debt is owed to everyone who owns Treasury securities, not just the Fed.
The Fed is owned by the US government.
On Jan 17, 2001, the Fed held $516,288,000 in Treasuries, not quite $5.6 trillion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I make a motion to end the labor cost tax preference, for foreign labor employed by US Firms.

US firms can't deduct foreign salary for foreign workers in a foreign land.

Great job!

LMAOROG, Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

Educate me.

Pretty simple Bubs, it's a COST which they get to deduct, sorry to disappoint you Bubs

You think a US company can hire a guy in India and deduct his salary off US taxes?

Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

what part of "labor cost" do you not understand? There is no reason for that tax preference, at US labor's expense.

Which part of, "not a deductible expense in the US" do you not understand?

 

[Spare_change]

THAT $20 TRILLION IN DEBT CAN BASICALLY BE TRACED BACK TO 2 GUYS POLICIES SINCE 1981 (Hint RR, Dubya)

Ignore the black fella who added $9.3 trillion, eh?

Care to name the policies the black guy passed that created that debt Bubs? Oops

FEBRUARY 28, 2013

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

Care to name the policies the black guy passed that created that debt Bubs?

Transfer payments are $1 trillion a year higher than before the crisis.
Are you saying that poor black fella was powerless to make any changes during his 8 years?
He has zero responsibility for the $9.3 trillion addition to the debt?

Got it, you can't name the policy/laws by the black guy that caused the debt. Let me help

REAGAN/BUSH TAX CUTS WERE THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF DEBT. Dubya's UNFUNDED wars came in second.

lets be serious! Republicans have always been for making deficits and debt illegal while Democrats have killed each and every effort because they don't want to risk always more welfare entitlement spending that they use to buy votes.

Let's get serious, for 36+ years the GOP has had a goal of "starve the beast" which ISN'T for making deficits or debt smaller!


THE ONLY 2 GUYS TO LEAVE THE NEXT GUYS A SMALLER DEFICIT THAN THE ONE THEY INHERITED WERE BJ BILL AND OBAMA

Deficit? Seriously?

Who the hell cares about the deficit? I know ---- we fucked up less than you fucked up.

In the meantime, the debt just keeps growing.

 

[danielpalos]

LMAOROG, Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

Educate me.

Pretty simple Bubs, it's a COST which they get to deduct, sorry to disappoint you Bubs

You think a US company can hire a guy in India and deduct his salary off US taxes?

Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

what part of "labor cost" do you not understand? There is no reason for that tax preference, at US labor's expense.

Which part of, "not a deductible expense in the US" do you not understand?

a labor cost is a labor cost; show me where the IRS doesn't give a tax preference for labor costs.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Let's get serious, for 36+ years the GOP has had a goal of "starve the beast" which ISN'T for making deficits or debt smaller!

Yes starve the beast since the beast according to our genius and saintly Founders was the thing that needed to be starved most!! Why do you oppose the basic principle of America?

But also they have shut down the govt, opposed debt ceiling increases, and signed the Pledge as our Founders would have wanted

but mostly they have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson's first to make debt illegal. Libcommie Democrats have killed every one of them. Do you know why? Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders?

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG, After BJ Bill's first surplus the GOP passed a $792+ billion tax cut he had to veto to get 3 more surpluses, THEN the Dubya/GOP policy took over and we saw how fiscally conservative you Klowns were!

You're really one of the most ignorant on this board Bubs, and that's a low bar!

why avoid the question???

Why do you oppose the basic principle of America?

Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Educate me.

Pretty simple Bubs, it's a COST which they get to deduct, sorry to disappoint you Bubs

You think a US company can hire a guy in India and deduct his salary off US taxes?

Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

what part of "labor cost" do you not understand? There is no reason for that tax preference, at US labor's expense.

Which part of, "not a deductible expense in the US" do you not understand?

a labor cost is a labor cost; show me where the IRS doesn't give a tax preference for labor costs.

Find the tax form that lets a corporation deduct the foreign salary paid to a foreign worker in a foreign country.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

What about GW and Whiskey Rebellion?? You clean forgot to say. I wonder why???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG,

Are you saying that Newt didn't pass a BBA in the House that fell one vote short in the Senate thanks to liberals? Are you saying debt today would be $17 trillion or $0 dollars if it had passed?

 

[JonKoch]

Labor huh? lol



I'll wait for your BS interpretation on the Chapter 11 nonsense!

Yeah, "labor"....why should my exchanging one hour of my skill and labor for something I can use as a medium of exchange be subjected to a tax? I know the reason as to why it is done and it's not for the reasons that you think it is nor is it even constitutional and before 1933, the SCOTUS ruled that the 16th amendment did not give "da gubermint" any new taxing powers. Let's say I change the brakes on a car for a friend and to show her or his appreciation, they give me a 12 pack of beer or bake me a cake....is "da gubermint" entitled to four of those beers or the cost thereof because technically I engaged in commerce per the UCC or that I should report the market value of a two layer cake? Before I school you about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of March 5th, 1933 and how that pertains to what we are dealing with today, I would like your response to the above question and I want to see you justify a progressive income tax and what exactly is "income" as it pertains to Black's Law dictionary 6th Edition...........

"is "da gubermint" entitled to four of those beers or the cost thereof because technically I engaged in commerce "

YES

Really? Based on what? Make an argument for yourself..........

Pretty simple, WE AS A SOCIETY DECIDED!

Everything is basically taxed but you have the choice of paying it via consumption......so why do YOU believe that the labor of someone must be taxed????? The SCOTUS and the Constitution (the organic one) were against a progressive income tax...BTW, a progressive income tax is one of the planks of the communist manifesto...are you a commie?????

Know who else advocated progressive taxes? Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt!



“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.” Thom Jefferson


"All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."." Ben Franklin

 

[JonKoch]

Let's get serious, for 36+ years the GOP has had a goal of "starve the beast" which ISN'T for making deficits or debt smaller!

Yes starve the beast since the beast according to our genius and saintly Founders was the thing that needed to be starved most!! Why do you oppose the basic principle of America?

But also they have shut down the govt, opposed debt ceiling increases, and signed the Pledge as our Founders would have wanted

but mostly they have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson's first to make debt illegal. Libcommie Democrats have killed every one of them. Do you know why? Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders?

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG, After BJ Bill's first surplus the GOP passed a $792+ billion tax cut he had to veto to get 3 more surpluses, THEN the Dubya/GOP policy took over and we saw how fiscally conservative you Klowns were!

You're really one of the most ignorant on this board Bubs, and that's a low bar!

A tax on consumable items that you can choose to purchase or not isn't the same thing as a tax on one's labor...now is it? You can avoid the gas tax by not having a car, no? BTW, there never was a "surplus" under Bill "drop trou"...it's a total myth. The last time USA.INC ever had a "surplus" was under Andrew Jackson when he refused to renew the charter of the central bank. What was the public debt under Bill "drop trou"????? The total national debt on September 30th, 2000 was 5.6 trillion dollars....so what about that alleged "surplus"? Bushpuppet doubled it and then the Barrypuppet doubled it...see? That is what happens when you have a debt based fiat currency system with a central banking system...it's nothing but a machine of perpetual debt slavery.

Ah another right winger not understanding the difference with a yearly budget and the debt. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.


Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org


About 90% of current debt can be traced back to POLICIES by Ronnie Reagan AND Dubya

"Starving the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives to limit government spending by cutting taxes, in order to deprive the federal government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force it to reduce
spending.

Before his election as President, then-candidate Ronald Reagan foreshadowed the strategy during the 1980 US Presidential debates, saying "John Anderson tells us that first we've got to reduce spending before we can reduce taxes. Well, if you've got a kid that's extravagant, you can lecture him all you want to about his extravagance. Or you can cut his allowance and achieve the same end much quicker."

Starve the beast - Wikipedia

No, what remains at the end of the day is the 5.6 Trillion dollars owed to the foreign owned central bank known as the "Federal Reserve" after Bill "drop trou" left office and that debt has doubled with each presidency. You have a lot to learn. Have you ever heard of the "Grace Commission"? How the "income tax" does not fund "da gubermint" but pays the interest to the mostly foreign owned private bank known as the "Federal Reserve" that is neither "federal" and has no reserves"????

LMAOROG, You anti federal Banksters are a funny group...

Foreign owned? lol


Myth 1: The Fed is run by foreigners

Myth 2: The Fed isn’t part of the US government

Myth 3: The Fed prints money

Myth 4: The Federal Reserve is not audited

5 Myths Debunked About The Federal Reserve

 

[JonKoch]

Let's get serious, for 36+ years the GOP has had a goal of "starve the beast" which ISN'T for making deficits or debt smaller!

Yes starve the beast since the beast according to our genius and saintly Founders was the thing that needed to be starved most!! Why do you oppose the basic principle of America?

But also they have shut down the govt, opposed debt ceiling increases, and signed the Pledge as our Founders would have wanted

but mostly they have introduced 30 Balanced Budget Amendments since Jefferson's first to make debt illegal. Libcommie Democrats have killed every one of them. Do you know why? Do you know why our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and elected Obama/Sanders?

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG, After BJ Bill's first surplus the GOP passed a $792+ billion tax cut he had to veto to get 3 more surpluses, THEN the Dubya/GOP policy took over and we saw how fiscally conservative you Klowns were!

You're really one of the most ignorant on this board Bubs, and that's a low bar!

A tax on consumable items that you can choose to purchase or not isn't the same thing as a tax on one's labor...now is it? You can avoid the gas tax by not having a car, no? BTW, there never was a "surplus" under Bill "drop trou"...it's a total myth. The last time USA.INC ever had a "surplus" was under Andrew Jackson when he refused to renew the charter of the central bank. What was the public debt under Bill "drop trou"????? The total national debt on September 30th, 2000 was 5.6 trillion dollars....so what about that alleged "surplus"? Bushpuppet doubled it and then the Barrypuppet doubled it...see? That is what happens when you have a debt based fiat currency system with a central banking system...it's nothing but a machine of perpetual debt slavery.

LABOR is getting paid, regardless of how you are paid, consumable or not!

Jackson? Oh right the possibly worst Prez EVER. Follow what happened after the debt was cleared up

No, we are not "paid", we are given a medium of exchange that has no intrinsic value that cannot be exchanged for REAL money which is silver/and or gold. That was done away with when USA.INC declared Bankruptcy in March of 1933 and under penalty of a huge fine and a five year prison sentence, the people had to turn in their REAL money (gold) in exchange for a Federal Reserve Note and people lost allodial rights to property. Are you familiar with HJR 192 per chance?

MORE right wing BS, Why do you want OUR money supply tied to ANY commodity? Oh right the righties LOVE to be serfs!

 

[JonKoch]

Care to name the policies the black guy passed that created that debt Bubs? Oops

Here is the result of his policies. First president in history to go his entire term without having a single year of growth above 3%. This was caused by his policies restricting the growth of companies, halting new businesses and limiting the number of employees. The failed Obamacare scam has also added greatly to our debt.

RIGHT WING BS, I'd expect from the low informed types



DECEMBER 2007
THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF MR. BUSH

The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.
The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush


OCTOBER 17, 2008

The Economic Blue Screen of DeathTheir work suggests that this growth was entirely due to MEWs. In fact, MEWs contributed over 3% to GDP growth in 2004 and 2005, and 2% in 2006. Without US homeowners using their homes as an ATM, the economy would have been very sluggish indeed, averaging much less than 1% for the six years of the Bush presidency.

Let's look at a graph I used two years ago, from work done by James Kennedy and Alan Greenspan, on the effect of mortgage equity withdrawals (MEWs) on the growth of the US economy.

Notice that in both 2001 and 2002, the US economy continued to grow on an annual basis (the "technical" recession was just a few quarters).

Their work suggests that this growth was entirely due to MEWs. In fact, MEWs contributed over 3% to GDP growth in 2004 and 2005, and 2% in 2006. Without US homeowners using their homes as an ATM, the economy would have been very sluggish indeed, averaging much less than 1% for the six years of the Bush presidency.


Indeed, as a side observation, without home equity withdrawals the economy would have been so bad it would have been almost impossible for Bush to have won a second term.

The Economic Blue Screen of Death

What did Obama do to cause all those things?
Be specific.

You first Bubba, YOU asked about the debt under Obama, I asked for HIS policies that created it???? I'll wait

He was President for 8 years. He didn't put any policies in place?

I guess he wasn't so smart.

Got it, you can't come up with ANY policies he had that added $9+ trillion to our debt

 

[JonKoch]

Got it, you can't name the policy/laws by the black guy that caused the debt. Let me help

REAGAN/BUSH TAX CUTS WERE THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF DEBT. Dubya's UNFUNDED wars came in second.

REAGAN/BUSH TAX CUTS WERE THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF DEBT.

That's awful! And then Obama continued Bush's cuts.
And blew $800 billion on a "stimulus" package.

Dubya's UNFUNDED wars came in second.

Didn't the black fella end those wars and save us trillions?

If by extended you meant blackmailed by the GOP Dec 2010? YEP

Stimulus? Right WAY to small to fill the whole 8 years of Dubya/GOP policy put US in. But it still stopped US from going into GOP great depression 2.0


What Debate? Economists Agree the Stimulus Lifted the Economy
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/...ree-the-stimulus-lifted-the-economy.html?_r=0


“The stimulus worked” is the overwhelming conclusion of a panel of elite economists surveyed as part of the University of Chicago’s IGM Economic Experts Panel. The survey asked whether the unemployment rate at the end of 2010 was lower than it would have been because of the U.S. government’s 2009 fiscal stimulus act. Out of the 37 panelists who responded, 36 agreed, an even better response than an identical 2012 survey.
Economists Agree: The Stimulus Worked | Moody's Analytics Economy.com


Sorry the black guy can't put wars back in the box after Dubya opened up those TRILLIONS of dollars wars!

If by extended you meant blackmailed by the GOP Dec 2010? YEP

Smartest president in the history of forever continued the Bush tax cuts. LOL!

“The stimulus worked” is the overwhelming conclusion of a panel of elite economists

Awesome! What did we get for that $800 billion?

Among those who responded, 36 agreed that the stimulus bill had lowered the unemployment rate,

By how much?

Sorry the black guy can't put wars back in the box

But he was gonna make the world love and respect us again. What went wrong?

"Awesome! What did we get for that $800 billion?"

Kept US out of GOP great depression 2.0


Keep scratching at my kneecaps Bubs

Kept US out of GOP great depression 2.0

By wasting $800 billion?

Or was there something else you had in mind?

Sorry, I only think the 40% of the $787 billion stimulus which were tax cuts, trying to get a few GOPers on board, was a waste Bubs

 

[JonKoch]

I make a motion to end the labor cost tax preference, for foreign labor employed by US Firms. Only US labor should qualify US Firms for a tax preference.

I make a motion to end the labor cost tax preference, for foreign labor employed by US Firms.

US firms can't deduct foreign salary for foreign workers in a foreign land.

Great job!

LMAOROG, Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

Educate me.

Pretty simple Bubs, it's a COST which they get to deduct, sorry to disappoint you Bubs

You think a US company can hire a guy in India and deduct his salary off US taxes?

Don't know much about the tax code either huh?

Yes, your inability to use reason and logic IS noted Bubs, again ,

 

[Dale Smith]

Yeah, "labor"....why should my exchanging one hour of my skill and labor for something I can use as a medium of exchange be subjected to a tax? I know the reason as to why it is done and it's not for the reasons that you think it is nor is it even constitutional and before 1933, the SCOTUS ruled that the 16th amendment did not give "da gubermint" any new taxing powers. Let's say I change the brakes on a car for a friend and to show her or his appreciation, they give me a 12 pack of beer or bake me a cake....is "da gubermint" entitled to four of those beers or the cost thereof because technically I engaged in commerce per the UCC or that I should report the market value of a two layer cake? Before I school you about the Chapter 11 Bankruptcy of March 5th, 1933 and how that pertains to what we are dealing with today, I would like your response to the above question and I want to see you justify a progressive income tax and what exactly is "income" as it pertains to Black's Law dictionary 6th Edition...........

"is "da gubermint" entitled to four of those beers or the cost thereof because technically I engaged in commerce "

YES

Really? Based on what? Make an argument for yourself..........

Pretty simple, WE AS A SOCIETY DECIDED!

Everything is basically taxed but you have the choice of paying it via consumption......so why do YOU believe that the labor of someone must be taxed????? The SCOTUS and the Constitution (the organic one) were against a progressive income tax...BTW, a progressive income tax is one of the planks of the communist manifesto...are you a commie?????

Know who else advocated progressive taxes? Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt!



“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.” Thom Jefferson


"All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."." Ben Franklin

Certainly don't see any quote about the taxing of one's labor in any of those quotes.........eh????

 

[JonKoch]

More of your BS, Hint Geo Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion AGAIN Bubs

What about GW and Whiskey Rebellion?? You clean forgot to say. I wonder why???

When he got up an army and visited those traitorous b*stards who were like the TeaT*rds today?

 

[JonKoch]

Balanced budget amendments? LMAOROG,

Are you saying that Newt didn't pass a BBA in the House that fell one vote short in the Senate thanks to liberals? Are you saying debt today would be $17 trillion or $0 dollars if it had passed?

Newt passed a BBA? And after BJ Bill's first surplus they passed a $792+ billion tax cut he had to veto to get 3 more surpluses? Weird.

Newt, almost ALWAYS wrong though:

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), February 2, 1993: We have all too many people in the Democratic administration who are talking about bigger Government, bigger bureaucracy, more programs, and higher taxes. I believe that that will in fact kill the current recovery and put us back in a recession. It might take 1 1/2 or 2 years, but it will happen

FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’

 

[JonKoch]

"is "da gubermint" entitled to four of those beers or the cost thereof because technically I engaged in commerce "

YES

Really? Based on what? Make an argument for yourself..........

Pretty simple, WE AS A SOCIETY DECIDED!

Everything is basically taxed but you have the choice of paying it via consumption......so why do YOU believe that the labor of someone must be taxed????? The SCOTUS and the Constitution (the organic one) were against a progressive income tax...BTW, a progressive income tax is one of the planks of the communist manifesto...are you a commie?????

Know who else advocated progressive taxes? Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt!



“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.” Thom Jefferson


"All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."." Ben Franklin

Certainly don't see any quote about the taxing of one's labor in any of those quotes.........eh????

Weird you mean over 250 years ago it didn't happen much? What did the Founders think about the ESTATE TAXES? Inequality?