Scott Walker recall effort starts Tuesday

How many times have I asked you to join in on the thread and you ignore it!

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Wisconsin reforms are WORKING! What was the leftist solution to a $3.7 billion budget short fall? Tax the rich! Yet that wouldn't even make a dent. Tax the corporations? First, we see it first hand in IL. Corporations will leave UNLESS they get a backdoor tax deal. The results in IL is corporations like Caterpillar, Novastar, Groupon, Motorolla, Sears, John Deere, etc now pay less in taxes! That would happen in WI.

This short video explains what led up to the need for reform and the results!

It's Working - YouTube

Either link the special deal CAT got or admit you're LYING out of your ass.

Not only did CAT not get any special deals, they invested ONE BILLION more dollars in their Illinois plants.

Press Release

Although Oberlehman said there were no deals cut to keep Caterpillar in Illinois, he likely got some face-to-face assurances from Quinn that the governor’s office would take steps to address the company’s concerns about the state’s business climate.

CEO: Caterpillar Is Staying In Illinois « CBS Chicago
 
Claims that the Wisconsin budget cuts "are working" are completely beside the point. As has been pointed out before (to no effect, because conservative politics isn't fact-based so pointing out facts generally accomplishes little), the unions had ALREADY AGREED to all of the proposed budget cuts BEFORE Gov. Walker and his cronies in the legislature passed their union-gutting act.

The issue is not the state budget. The issue is the rights of working people. Restoring the rights of working people will neither improve nor worsen the problems of the state budget.

No public worker should have collective bargaining rights.
Public employees SERVE THE PUBLIC....Their unions serve themselves. Their unions use their money and power to influence elections to place in office politicians who are favorable to unions. The politicians rubber stamp tax increases by the bucket loads to pay public workers far above market wages and give them gold plated benefits.
No public servant should come out better off than those they are paid to serve.
 
If unions had the political pull conservatives like to attribute to them then collective bargaining would not be in the peril it has been in for thirty years. republicans have done some pretty destructive things for no other reason then to destroy a major supporter of democrats.
 
Claims that the Wisconsin budget cuts "are working" are completely beside the point. As has been pointed out before (to no effect, because conservative politics isn't fact-based so pointing out facts generally accomplishes little), the unions had ALREADY AGREED to all of the proposed budget cuts BEFORE Gov. Walker and his cronies in the legislature passed their union-gutting act.

The issue is not the state budget. The issue is the rights of working people. Restoring the rights of working people will neither improve nor worsen the problems of the state budget.

None of the rights of the working people are being threatened in any way. One does not have the right to collectively bargain.

you do by contract if you've negotiated for it.

the issue hads zip to do with money. the unions in wisconsin agreed to all the financial demands. it has to do with union busting. that is the only goal.

Problem is there is no negotiation. For decades, public worker unions have had it all their way. That has to end. It will end.
 
Claims that the Wisconsin budget cuts "are working" are completely beside the point. As has been pointed out before (to no effect, because conservative politics isn't fact-based so pointing out facts generally accomplishes little), the unions had ALREADY AGREED to all of the proposed budget cuts BEFORE Gov. Walker and his cronies in the legislature passed their union-gutting act.

The issue is not the state budget. The issue is the rights of working people. Restoring the rights of working people will neither improve nor worsen the problems of the state budget.

None of the rights of the working people are being threatened in any way. One does not have the right to collectively bargain.

you do by contract if you've negotiated for it.

the issue hads zip to do with money. the unions in wisconsin agreed to all the financial demands. it has to do with union busting. that is the only goal.

Contracts don't give you rights. They legally bind agreements.
 
Claims that the Wisconsin budget cuts "are working" are completely beside the point. As has been pointed out before (to no effect, because conservative politics isn't fact-based so pointing out facts generally accomplishes little), the unions had ALREADY AGREED to all of the proposed budget cuts BEFORE Gov. Walker and his cronies in the legislature passed their union-gutting act.

The issue is not the state budget. The issue is the rights of working people. Restoring the rights of working people will neither improve nor worsen the problems of the state budget.

No public worker should have collective bargaining rights.
Public employees SERVE THE PUBLIC....Their unions serve themselves. Their unions use their money and power to influence elections to place in office politicians who are favorable to unions. The politicians rubber stamp tax increases by the bucket loads to pay public workers far above market wages and give them gold plated benefits.
No public servant should come out better off than those they are paid to serve.

There is no such thing as collective bargaining rights.
 
He needs to be recalled if for no other reason then to send a message that there are consequences to negating any right no matter the situation or rationalization.

Where in the Constitution does it say 'and the right to collective bargaining'?

The constitution is not the entirety of our laws, many times in our history questions of rights have been settled by the congress and the courts, it is called "settled law" and until recently it was very bad form to overturn long standing precedent. It will happen again and again, our rights being nibbled away a bit at a time while we are distracted by partisan bullshit.
 
He needs to be recalled if for no other reason then to send a message that there are consequences to negating any right no matter the situation or rationalization.

Where in the Constitution does it say 'and the right to collective bargaining'?

The constitution is not the entirety of our laws, many times in our history questions of rights have been settled by the congress and the courts, it is called "settled law" and until recently it was very bad form to overturn long standing precedent. It will happen again and again, our rights being nibbled away a bit at a time while we are distracted by partisan bullshit.

Name one.
 
He needs to be recalled if for no other reason then to send a message that there are consequences to negating any right no matter the situation or rationalization.
There is no set in stone right to collective bargaining.
Collective bargaining rights are by legislation. Laws can be repealed or overturned.
The people of Wisconsin have spoken. Public workers who are opposed are free to find work in the private sector.
 
Welcome back to American sweat shops, it is the prize that awaits at the end of this all out attack on worker rights.
 
Perhaps "Amelia" would care to comment on one of Governor Walker's supporters, Randy Hopper, who representing the 18th District from 2009 until lhis recall and defeat on July 12, 2011.

- according to the Fond du Lac Reporter, Hopper, a Wisconsin millionaire. managed to pay state income tax only once between 1997-2008, while the 3 businesses he owned paid no net income tax!
 
Perhaps "Amelia" would care to comment on one of Governor Walker's supporters, Randy Hopper, who representing the 18th District from 2009 until lhis recall and defeat on July 12, 2011.

- according to the Fond du Lac Reporter, Hopper, a Wisconsin millionaire. managed to pay state income tax only once between 1997-2008, while the 3 businesses he owned paid no net income tax!


No problem, throwing the tax burden onto the backs of workers who have no right to collectively confront exploitation in the workplace and no representation or protection in government is all part of the master plan.
 
Perhaps "Amelia" would care to comment on one of Governor Walker's supporters, Randy Hopper, who representing the 18th District from 2009 until lhis recall and defeat on July 12, 2011.

- according to the Fond du Lac Reporter, Hopper, a Wisconsin millionaire. managed to pay state income tax only once between 1997-2008, while the 3 businesses he owned paid no net income tax!


No problem, throwing the tax burden onto the backs of workers who have no right to collectively confront exploitation in the workplace and no representation or protection in government is all part of the master plan.

Sounds good.
 
Perhaps "Amelia" would care to comment on one of Governor Walker's supporters, Randy Hopper, who representing the 18th District from 2009 until lhis recall and defeat on July 12, 2011.

- according to the Fond du Lac Reporter, Hopper, a Wisconsin millionaire. managed to pay state income tax only once between 1997-2008, while the 3 businesses he owned paid no net income tax!

link?
 
Welcome back to American sweat shops, it is the prize that awaits at the end of this all out attack on worker rights.

Worker rights are not being attacked.

It's no accident that many conservatives also want to gut various agencies that protect the public and especially workers from the things that "Make America too expensive to do business in". They take a look at China and see a recipe for success, a workforce of easily exploited wage slaves and almost nonexistent environmental protections. They were fools to allow Americans compete directly with such a tyrannical industrial nightmare.
 

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