Scott Brown commits political suicide?

[thanatos144]

Scott Brown Comes Out In Favor Of Federal Assault Weapons Ban



Meanwhile, how many Rs have expressed sympathy over the mass murder?

Most won't go against the NRA and the NRA really doesn't care.

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

Like Ft. Hood?

You mean where the Islamic terrorist shot all those soldiers?

 

[Missourian]

Which types? There are rifles, shotguns and pistols.

A semi automatic weapon with a detachable magazine.

For shits and giggles just the firearms please. how is that different then a mag loaded 30/06?

Thanatos, do you think I have no right to search my conscience and mull over an issue lest I pass some freaking weapons "quiz" issued by some stranger online? What is your point?

Do you believe I am uninformed on what a semi-auto weapon is and that if "tested" and "scored" by you I might be enlightened by you? Please enlighten me what your point or objective is. I do not play internet games nor do I let anyone make me jump through some silly hoops because I choose to think outside the box. If you feel some need to educate me or others knock yourself out but don't play coy or behave like a pompous gun owner.

I am discussing this topic IRL and here and have drawn no conclusions as I stated in an earlier post. Does that trouble you that I am stepping out of some lockstep that exists to dare ponder things?

I am as pro gun as you can probably get, and I have definitely pondered these things in the light of the recent tragedies.

There is NO difference between a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip and a semi-automatic PISTOL (which obviously also has a pistol grip).

A pistol actually has a major advantage over the rifle in close quarters.

For this reason, logically I dismiss the AWB out of hand...it is the liberals who are fixated on them.

They are conditioned to fear them.

IMO it is the original AWB is that has brought these weapons to prominence.

I have seriously considered the large capacity magazine ban...but it is also mostly useless.

A three 10 round magazines is only nominally more time consuming than one 30 round magazine.

Those are the conclusions my ponderings led me to.

 

[g5000]

How does one "express sympathy of the mass murder," vote to trash the 2nd amendment?

I think the obligatory response is to burn the flag.

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[NYcarbineer]

Scott Brown Comes Out In Favor Of Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) will be departing the Senate at the end of the year, after Democrat Elizabeth Warren defeated him in his bid for reelection. But on Wednesday the moderate Republican stayed true to form, becoming the first senator in his party to announce support for a renewed federal assault weapons ban.

Meanwhile, how many Rs have expressed sympathy over the mass murder?

Most won't go against the NRA and the NRA really doesn't care.

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

There are 130,000 public schools, approximately, in the US. Would you like to mandate guards in every school?

Would you like, say, a 1% surcharge on federal income taxes to pay for it?

Would you like to mandate it to all private schools, at their expense? They can tack the cost onto their tuition?

Is that what you want?

 

[NYcarbineer]

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

Like Ft. Hood?

You mean where the Islamic terrorist shot all those soldiers?

Yes that's exactly who I mean, give him any name that makes you feel better.

Now answer the question:

If SOMEONE HAD BEEN ARMED AT FT. HOOD, would that massacre never have happened?

 

[Dreamy]

So you are not sure something should be banned cause of how it looks???? Again how is it that you think you are not uninformed? Fascism is fine as long that the thing they want to take looks dangerous?

I have drawn no conclusions. That you seem to oppose me thinking about an issue is strange to me.

In fact I truly think bans do not work because illegally owned and bought guns will always exist.

Thats the fucking problem cause you should have drawn a conclusion! Ether you want fascism or freedom! You choose!

No, I will think and draw conclusions on any issue on MY timetable not yours. By the way, the bombastic and inflammatory cry of "fascism or freedom" is simply message board theatrics imo.

By the way, I have talked to current and past military folks I know and several support the ban returning. They are as knowledgeable in weapons as anyone as is Scott Brown. Should I ignore their point of view and keep blinders on firmly?

In the end I will simply stating I am leaning against Fed ban but I will always reserve the right to think about any issue.

 

[g5000]

Which types? There are rifles, shotguns and pistols.

A semi automatic weapon with a detachable magazine.

For shits and giggles just the firearms please. how is that different then a mag loaded 30/06?

Thanatos, do you think I have no right to search my conscience and mull over an issue lest I pass some freaking weapons "quiz" issued by some stranger online? What is your point?

Do you believe I am uninformed on what a semi-auto weapon is and that if "tested" and "scored" by you I might be enlightened by you? Please enlighten me what your point or objective is. I do not play internet games nor do I let anyone make me jump through some silly hoops because I choose to think outside the box. If you feel some need to educate me or others knock yourself out but don't play coy or behave like a pompous gun owner.

I am discussing this topic IRL and here and have drawn no conclusions as I stated in an earlier post. Does that trouble you that I am stepping out of some lockstep that exists to dare ponder things?

"Assault weapon" is a term of convenience used by gun control freaks who have no idea what they are talking about. They just wanted to come up with a term that makes it sound really, really bad. Oooohhh, assault weapon. Who uses an assault weapon for anything but assaulting?

It's like the shameless pricks who said the kids in CT were killed "execution-style". Got to make it sound as horrible as possible, see. As if kids being killed weren't bad enough, we need to add some spice and toss in that old media invention, "execution-style".

There is a lot of flat out bullshit rhetoric out there, and you just regurgitated it without any idea what it means.

Did you know the "assault weapon" the CT shooter used was entirely legal under CT law? And CT gun laws are among the strictest in the nation, and almost identical to the federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 1994.

So if the AWB had not expired, it would not have made fuck-all of a difference to those kids in Connecticut, just like the assault weapons ban in Connecticut meant fuck-all.


You see, that's what people who want to step on the Bill of Rights never comprehend. There is no workable tenable position between freedom and totalitarianism.

.

 

[Dreamy]

For shits and giggles just the firearms please. how is that different then a mag loaded 30/06?

Thanatos, do you think I have no right to search my conscience and mull over an issue lest I pass some freaking weapons "quiz" issued by some stranger online? What is your point?

Do you believe I am uninformed on what a semi-auto weapon is and that if "tested" and "scored" by you I might be enlightened by you? Please enlighten me what your point or objective is. I do not play internet games nor do I let anyone make me jump through some silly hoops because I choose to think outside the box. If you feel some need to educate me or others knock yourself out but don't play coy or behave like a pompous gun owner.

I am discussing this topic IRL and here and have drawn no conclusions as I stated in an earlier post. Does that trouble you that I am stepping out of some lockstep that exists to dare ponder things?

I am as pro gun as you can probably get, and I have definitely pondered these things in the light of the recent tragedies.

There is NO difference between a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip and a semi-automatic PISTOL (which obviously also has a pistol grip).

A pistol actually has a major advantage over the rifle in close quarters.

For this reason, logically I dismiss the AWB out of hand...it is the liberals who are fixated on them.

They are conditioned to fear them.

IMO it is the original AWB is that has brought these weapons to prominence.

I have seriously considered the large capacity magazine ban...but it is also mostly useless.

A three 10 round magazines is only nominally more time consuming than one 30 round magazine.

Those are the conclusions my ponderings led me to.

I have seriously considered the large capacity magazine ban...but it is also mostly useless.

A three 10 round magazines is only nominally more time consuming than one 30 round magazine.

Thanks for a good post. My focus has been on the availability of illegal guns versus the actual particulars of each weapon so thanks for the focus in addressing this aspect also.

 

[Dreamy]

For shits and giggles just the firearms please. how is that different then a mag loaded 30/06?

Thanatos, do you think I have no right to search my conscience and mull over an issue lest I pass some freaking weapons "quiz" issued by some stranger online? What is your point?

Do you believe I am uninformed on what a semi-auto weapon is and that if "tested" and "scored" by you I might be enlightened by you? Please enlighten me what your point or objective is. I do not play internet games nor do I let anyone make me jump through some silly hoops because I choose to think outside the box. If you feel some need to educate me or others knock yourself out but don't play coy or behave like a pompous gun owner.

I am discussing this topic IRL and here and have drawn no conclusions as I stated in an earlier post. Does that trouble you that I am stepping out of some lockstep that exists to dare ponder things?

"Assault weapon" is a term of convenience used by gun control freaks who have no idea what they are talking about. They just wanted to come up with a term that makes it sound really, really bad. Oooohhh, assault weapon. Who uses an assault weapon for anything but assaulting?

It's like the retarded pricks who said the kids in CT were killed "execution-style". Got to make it sound as horrible as possible, see. As if kids being killed weren't bad enough, we need to add some spice and toss in that old media invention, "execution-style".

There is a lot of flat out bullshit rhetoric out there, and you just regurgitated it without any idea what it means.

Did you know the "assault weapon" the CT shooter used was entirely legal under CT law? And CT gun laws are among the strictest in the nation, and almost identical to the federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 1994.

So if the AWB had not expired, it would not have made fuck-all of a difference to those kids in Connecticut, just like the assault weapons ban in Connecticut meant fuck-all.


You see, that's what people who want to step on the Bill of Right never comprehend. There is no workable middle position between complete freedom and totalitarianism.

.

Good post.

I do know much of what you state and all of that I have discussed here and elsewhere. Where I get hung up is the difference in weapons which seem to have no purpose but to kill people versus killing deer. I have discussed Fed versus State bans and of course the fact that illegal guns will exist no matter what ban is in place.

There is no workable middle position between complete freedom and totalitarianism.

Perhaps but that is where I have been exploring in my own mind.

 

[ogibillm]

Scott Brown Comes Out In Favor Of Federal Assault Weapons Ban

Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) will be departing the Senate at the end of the year, after Democrat Elizabeth Warren defeated him in his bid for reelection. But on Wednesday the moderate Republican stayed true to form, becoming the first senator in his party to announce support for a renewed federal assault weapons ban.

Meanwhile, how many Rs have expressed sympathy over the mass murder?

Most won't go against the NRA and the NRA really doesn't care.

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

there was someone armed at the school. that's how the massacre happened.

 

[Missourian]

Scott Brown Comes Out In Favor Of Federal Assault Weapons Ban



Meanwhile, how many Rs have expressed sympathy over the mass murder?

Most won't go against the NRA and the NRA really doesn't care.

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

Like Ft. Hood?

I thought you said you were in the military?

All military weapons are held in the armory when not in use.

I don't know about conceal carry in the military, as that is a new concept since I was active duty.


I can tell you that when I enter a military post with a firearm, I must declare it at the gate, get a police escort to the armory, check it in, return to the gate, check into the instillation with the MP's or DOD Police, then preform my business on post, return to the gate, check out, get another escort back to the armory, retrieve my weapon and get escorted to the gate.

 

[Missourian]

Did you know the "assault weapon" the CT shooter used was entirely legal under CT law? And CT gun laws are among the strictest in the nation, and almost identical to the federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 1994.

So if the AWB had not expired, it would not have made fuck-all of a difference to those kids in Connecticut, just like the assault weapons ban in Connecticut meant fuck-all.

I didn't know this...

 

[Missourian]

Did you know the "assault weapon" the CT shooter used was entirely legal under CT law? And CT gun laws are among the strictest in the nation, and almost identical to the federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired in 1994.

So if the AWB had not expired, it would not have made fuck-all of a difference to those kids in Connecticut, just like the assault weapons ban in Connecticut meant fuck-all.

I didn't know this...

Is there a thread on this?

Is the media reporting this?

http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/assaultweapon.htm

http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202c.htm

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Scott Brown was as a Tea Party Conservative in a state where dead Democrat voters outnumber living Republicans, went Moderate, lost to a certifiable lunatic who thought she was an Indian and will lose again to whoever the Dems run against him.

Republicans Moderates are nothing more than Neo-Marxist enablers

 

[g5000]

Good post.

I do know much of what you state and all of that I have discussed here and elsewhere. Where I get hung up is the difference in weapons which seem to have no purpose but to kill people versus killing deer. I have discussed Fed versus State bans and of course the fact that illegal guns will exist no matter what ban is in place.

There is no workable middle position between complete freedom and totalitarianism.

Perhaps but that is where I have been exploring in my own mind.

There are many variations of the type of weapon used by the CT and OR shooters. Both shooters used variations of the AR-15.

The variations are strictly cosmetic. The AWB bans some of the cosmetic variations, and allows others. The underlying weapons itself, though, is freely available. So you don't get to buy an AR-15 with a flash suppressor under the AWB. Big deal. An AR-15 without a flash suppressor is just as deadly as one with a flash suppressor. Same with the pistol hand grip. Does a bullet not fly as fast from the barrel of an AR-15 that does not have the banned pistol hand grip as one that does? Does that really make a difference at the range from which the CT shooter was killing kids?

So then you have to try to find another position farther down the road between freedom and totalitarianism. You have to move toward banning the AR-15 itself.

But then if you ban the AR-15 itself outright, you would have to ban all semi-automatic rifles, and now you are even closer to totalitarianism.

And that is never going to happen. That would be a total violation of the Second Amendment.

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[Mac1958]

Either you want fascism or freedom! You choose!

An absolutely perfect, textbook example of the kind of simplistic, binary, black & white, absolutist thinking that has so damaged the GOP brand, allowing an amazingly vulnerable incumbent President and Senate to hold on to power.

I remain very hopeful the GOP gets past this stuff, and quickly.

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[NYcarbineer]

NRA members know that if there was someone armed at the school the massacre would never have happened.

Like Ft. Hood?

I thought you said you were in the military?

All military weapons are held in the armory when not in use.

I don't know about conceal carry in the military, as that is a new concept since I was active duty.


I can tell you that when I enter a military post with a firearm, I must declare it at the gate, get a police escort to the armory, check it in, return to the gate, check into the instillation with the MP's or DOD Police, then preform my business on post, return to the gate, check out, get another escort back to the armory, retrieve my weapon and get escorted to the gate.

I know that.

So why do military installations have such strict gun control, if it's so unsafe and such a bad idea?

 

[Dreamy]

Scott Brown was as a Tea Party Conservative in a state where dead Democrat voters outnumber living Republicans, went Moderate, lost to a certifiable lunatic who thought she was an Indian and will lose again to whoever the Dems run against him.

Republicans Moderates are nothing more than Neo-Marxist enablers

You don't like Brown. Fine. I do wish he was not a Republican because the party spits on moderates. As far as my state, yes it sucks to vote with uninformed pod people but I will never support the GOP party in whole as it looks today.

 

[Toro]

Scott still hasn't learned that Republican Moderates are guaranteed losers

So true.

If only there were a True Conservative in Massachusetts, he would be elected Senator For Life.

 

[Dreamy]

Good post.

I do know much of what you state and all of that I have discussed here and elsewhere. Where I get hung up is the difference in weapons which seem to have no purpose but to kill people versus killing deer. I have discussed Fed versus State bans and of course the fact that illegal guns will exist no matter what ban is in place.

There is no workable middle position between complete freedom and totalitarianism.

Perhaps but that is where I have been exploring in my own mind.

There are many variations of the type of weapon used by the CT and OR shooters. Both shooters used variations of the AR-15.

The variations are strictly cosmetic. The AWB bans some of the cosmetic variations, and allows others. The underlying weapons itself, though, is freely available. So you don't get to buy an AR-15 with a flash suppressor under the AWB. Big deal. An AR-15 without a flash suppressor is just as deadly as one with a flash suppressor. Same with the pistol hand grip. Does a bullet not fly as fast from the barrel of an AR-15 that does not have the banned pistol hand grip as one that does? Does that really make a difference at the range from which the CT shooter was killing kids?

So then you have to try to find another position farther down the road between freedom and totalitarianism. You have to move toward banning the AR-15 itself.

But then if you ban the AR-15 itself outright, you would have to ban all semi-automatic rifles, and now you are even closer to totalitarianism.

And that is never going to happen. That would be a total violation of the Second Amendment.

.

Very informative. Thank you. So do we know if the cry for a new Fed Ban on AW's will be the same as the earlier one in scope?