GreenAndBlue
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The story with the Bible has always been about finding contradictions from the low brow internet atheists. After all, the contradictions came to evolution right away and was shown to be false as Dawin was wrong and it lead to social Darwinism, Eugenics, Hitler, the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood. Satan had his own book and could not have done it better. However, people continue to fall for it as natural selection is used for microevolution and falsity becomes the truth. Part is true, so the rest is true. That's a fallacy in itself. Anyway, the Bible has not been contradicted. It is infallible as God's word is infallible. Thus, how can the non-believers be anything else but wrong? Atheist science is a lie and wrong, wrong, wrong. In a way, it is prophecized that there will be global warming when the entire Earth is destroyed by fire and the lamb shall come again. The irony.
"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them." Isaiah 11:6
"And one of the elders said to me, âWeep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.â
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Revelation 5:5-6
Revelation 5 continues with John the Apostle noticing there is a scroll in the right hand of the man on the throne. The scroll has writing on the inside and is sealed with seven seals. Only one lamb is worthy to receive the scroll and break the seals.
The scroll could be our universe as its seven seals are broken and the lamb comes again to take away the sins of the world through fire this time.
And like with the flood, there will be survivors and the rest, the spiritually dead, will perish in the fire.
You apparently took a great deal of time gathering as many clichĂ©s as you could find at your IDâiot / creation ministries. You rattle on about contradictions in biological evolution and how it is false yet, as usual, you are unable to offer a single relevant example.
Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). IDâiot / creationism asserts a supernatural cause for existence Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID asserts a supernatural cause at the git-go, and doesn't even answer the most fundamentally flawed elements of its own assertions:
A. If there is required an intelligent designer because existence displays a complex design, then doesn't the intelligent designer also require an intelligent designer to have designer it as well? (Translation: If your premise is: "X" needs a Designer because it's complicated, then the Designer needs a designer because it's even MORE complicated than "X", in order to have designed it in the first place.)
B. What are the characteristics of this "Designer"? Assume the "Designer" assertion is true -- why does this "Designer" become important at all? It may be long dead. It may have no vested interest. Is it at all demonstrable?
The fundie xtian attempt to conflate evolution and eugenics is classic dishonesty and misrepresentation spewed by the Christian fundie ministries. Itâs all so stereotypically corrupt which defines the angry, self-hating fundies.
CA002.1: Social Darwinism.
Claim CA002.1:
Darwinism leads to social Darwinism, the policy that the weak should be allowed to fail and die.
Source:
Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.
Response:
Links:
- This is an example of the naturalistic fallacy -- the argument that how things are implies how they ought to be. But "is" does not imply "ought." Evolution only tells how things are; it does not say how they should be.
- The source of social Darwinism was not Darwin but Herbert Spencer and the tradition of Protestant nonconformism going back to Hobbes via Malthus. Spencer's ideas of evolution were Lamarckian. The only real connection between Darwinism and social Darwinism is the name.
- Diverse political and religious ideas draw upon evolutionary biology, including ideas advocating greater cooperation.
- Evolutionary theory shows us that the long-term survival of a species is strongly linked with its genetic variability. All Social Darwinist programs advocate minimizing genetic variability, thus reducing chances of long-term survival in the event of environmental change. An understanding of evolution should then rebuke any attempt at social Darwinism if the long-term survival of humanity is treated as a goal.
- Eugenics and social Darwinian accounts are more often tied to the rise of the science of genetics than to evolutionary theory.
Wilkins, John, 1997. Evolution and philosophy: Does evolution make might right? Evolution and Philosophy: Social Darwinism
I didn't get it from Henry Morris. This is one of the conclusions I got from reading Darwin and learning about what happened afterward. This is no harmless fallacy nor a contradiction. This is what Darwin basically was saying in his second book. You do not get it from secular science as they cover up their lies. They were part of the racism. The only thing they had evidence for was microevolution and they took it to macroevolution and applied it to humans. Darwin was not able to figure out how to get the long-time. He also did not find the transitional fossils, so thought his work was wrong. Thus, he focused on the survival of the fittest which he got from Herbert Spencer and promptly put it in his book. This is how evolution produced favored races which is what Spencer taught. Prior to this, there was a history of racist thinking in science from Darwin's peers and his father's friends. Men were superior to women and certain races were more evolved than others. The racism is evident in his second book The Descent of Man. He decided to focus on humans because he could not demonstrate how animals changed from one creature to another. It still does not happen today. We do not find transitional fossils, but instead find living fossils. Thus, how could there have been a transition mutation?
However, focusing on humans was enough for another scientific best seller. The rest they say is history. "Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwinâs theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitlerâs government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitlerâs administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the âsuperior raceâ. This required at the very least preventing the âinferior racesâ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latterâs gene pool. The âsuperior raceâ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwinâs original âsurvival of the fittestâ theory. This philosophy culminated in the âfinal solutionâ, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as âinferior racesâ." It's no wonder that a science book became such a popular best seller. Why were the Jews picked out by Hitler? Can you tell me that? He had others that he wanted to get rid of, too. This is your science history, so you should be able to explain. Hitler wasn't the only racist politician during the time. There were others, so it influenced the world. The ones who tried to save the Jews such as Oscar Schindler and Corrie ten Boom and her family were few in number. Why did other countries remain isolationist and appeased Germany? Did they believe only the strong survive and this was how the weak were weeded out?
It's the ToE. "The theory of evolution is based on individuals acquiring unique traits that enable those possessing the new traits to better survive adverse conditions compared to those who donât possess them. Superior individuals will be more likely to survive and pass on these traits to their offspring so such traits will increase in number, while the âweakerâ individuals will eventually die off. If every member of a species were fully equal, natural selection would have nothing to select from, and evolution would cease for that species."
- Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust -
Of course you stole your long cut and paste from Henry Morris. Your link above is to AIG which is a stereotypical clearinghouse for Henry Morris groupies / xtian zealots.
Itâs not surprising then that the entirety of your cutting and pasting consists of 1990âs vintage clichĂ©s and nonsensical Christian fundamentalist tripe from AIG and creation.com.
The Christian fundamentalist claim linking Hitler to âDarwinismâ is actually pretty ironic as Hitler and Christianity had close ties.
Claim CA006.1:
Adolf Hitler exploited the racist ideas of Darwinism to justify genocide.
Source:
Weston-Broome, Sharon. 2001. Louisiana House Concurrent Resolution no. 74: CIVIL RIGHTS: Provides relative to racism and education about racism. HLS 01-2652 ORIGINAL.
Response:
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- Hitler based his ideas not on Darwinism but on a "divine right" philosophy:Thus, it [the folkish philosophy] by no means believes in an equality of races, but along with their difference it recognizes their higher or lesser value and feels itself obligated, through this knowledge, to promote the victory of the better and stronger, and demand the subordination of the inferior and weaker in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe. (Hitler 1943, 383)The first edition of Mein Kampf suggests that Hitler may once have believed in a young earth: "this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men" (p. 65; the second edition substitutes "millions" for "thousands," and chapter 11 refers to "hundreds of thousands of years" of life in another context.)
- Other passages further support his creationist leanings:The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. (Hitler 1943, 383)andWhat we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. (Hitler 1943, 214)Quotes from Hitler invoking Christianity as a basis for his actions could be multiplied ad nauseam. For example:Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord (Hitler 1943, 65)."[T]he task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission (Hitler 1943, 398).A campaign against the "godless movement" and an appeal for Catholic support were launched Wednesday by Chancellor Adolf Hitler's forces (Associated Press 1933).Of course, this does not mean that Hitler's ideas were based on creationism any more than they were based on evolution. Hitler's ideas were a perversion of both religion and biology.
- The Nazi Party in general rejected Darwinism and supported Christianity. In 1935, Die BĂŒcherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a list of guidelines of works to reject, including:Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (HĂ€ckel). (Die BĂŒcherei 1935, 279)On the other hand, an undated "Blacklist for Public Libraries and Commercial Lending Libraries" includes the following on a list of literature which "absolutely must be removed":c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk. (Blacklist n.d.)
- Genocide and racism existed long before Darwin. Obviously, they did not need any contribution from Darwinism. In many instances, such as the Crusades and the Spanish conquest of Central America, religion was explicitly invoked to justify them.
- Evolution does not promote social Darwinism or racism or eugenics.
- "Blacklist for Public Libraries and Commercial Lending Libraries." Quoted from University of Arizona Library, "Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939", transl. Roland Richter, When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939
- Die BĂŒcherei 2:6 (1935). Quoted from University of Arizona Library, "Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939", transl. Roland Richter,When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939
- Hitler, A. 1943. Mein Kampf. Transl. R. Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. Mein Kampf, Introduction or http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/
- Associated Press. 1933. Hitler aims blow at 'Godless' move, Lansing State Journal (Michigan), Feb. 23, 1933. Reprinted atHitler's Religion
Evolution theory is a fraud
This one fact proves this
Not a single life form out of trillions has mutated its genes to stop the dominance and pressure of humans on them
Therefore no evolution especially when applied to a human being
History proves humans are on a journey to become gods of the universe !!