Science: In Warming World, Critters Run to the Hills

[westwall]

I suspect we currently have much more proof of evolution. The study of earth's climate is still in it's infancy. "Study" being the operative word. Scientists "study", right wingers "wish and imagine". No study involved.

Why is it that whenever a right winger points out the fallacy of your positions you just imagine they have no idea what they are talking about if you are a wannabe scientist? Shouldn't you actually study the facts instead of just wishing yourself right?

Really, you have shown the fallacy of global warming and GHGs? Since most here that have actually studied the issue post articles from real scientists, versus the nonsense from Heritage, it would seem that you are the one that is ignoring the facts.

Simple, show one Scientific Society, one National Academy of Science, or even one major University that states that AGW is not a fact.

No, your side hasn't proven its theory in the slightest.

 

[westwall]

Proof? There is no proof. There is a huge amount of evidence. You won't have enough proof until the end of the century to convince governments to take decisive action. If we were dealing with just a bunch of temperature studies by climatologists, the whole issue could be dismissed but we aren't. We're seeing supporting evidence from oceanologists, botanists, zoologists, geophysicists, and glaciologists from around world. Loss of biodiversity, decline in polar bears, shrinking arctic sea ice, melting glaciers, rise in acidifying of oceans, thinning ice, rising sea levels, coral bleaching, shifting wildlife habitat are just few of hundreds of studies that provide supporting evidence that the climate is rapidly changing.

Of course the opposition will dismiss all the evidence as a great left wing conspiracy. NASA, NOAA, National Science Foundation, National Academy of Science, 32 national science academies, and 75 out of 79 climate scientists, have got it all wrong.

Feel free to show us evidence that is not tainted and doesn't involve a computer model.

Well, well, Walleyes continues to call what the leading Physicists in the world write, drivel.

Come on, old fool, does the American Geophysical Union present 'tainted' evidence? Tainted by what and whom?

You are nothing but a posieur fronting for the energy companies.

Ah yes, falling back on the tried and true method of falsely accusing those who disagree with you. That stopped working about 5 years ago sunshine, I suggest you try a different tactic.

 

[westwall]

Astronomers tell us of galaxies thousands of light years from earth and we accept it or just ignore it. It has no effect on our lives so why should we care. Global warming does effect us and threatens our way of life. It's more socially acceptable to deny the facts than it is to deny our descendants a future.

IMHO, we may have passed the point where global warming can be stopped before our environment is destroyed. Scientists can't tell how much greenhouse gases have to be reduced to save the planet. In fact they can't tell us if it actually can be saved. That's not much of a basis to turn the world's economic system upside down.

Just like the addition of MTBE to gasoline proved far more disastrous to the environment then the pollution it was meant to control, the proposed methods for the control of AGW are far worse then the actual "problem". Conservatively, the IPCC projects a cost of a few trillion dollars to possibly reduce the temperature of the globe by one degree in 100 years.

Just imagine what you could do with a few trillion dollars that currently will enrich a few dictators in Africa and a whole bunch of wealthy bankers like those who run Goldman Sachs. Just imagine what that money could do to fix real problems and invent new technologies that will render the current energy systems obsolete.

You trivialize a one degree average change in the temperature of the planet. Just a one degree change in the average could mean a 20 degree colder winter and summer. That's enough to make some areas of the earth uninhabitable. This would be a bargain at a few trillion dollars. Projections of the IPCC are .1degs. Celecius/decade if the greenhouse gases are maintained at the current level which aren't.

Yes I trivialise a one degree change in the worlds temperature. Good gosh I live in an area that will swing from 100 degrees during the day and plummet to 35 degrees at night.
Let's see I'm a little rusty at math here but take away five...carry the two, ummmmm.... well shit that's a 65 degree swing in less then 15 hours! Holy shit we're all going to die! AHHHHHHHHH!

 

[westwall]

Proof? There is no proof. There is a huge amount of evidence. You won't have enough proof until the end of the century to convince governments to take decisive action. If we were dealing with just a bunch of temperature studies by climatologists, the whole issue could be dismissed but we aren't. We're seeing supporting evidence from oceanologists, botanists, zoologists, geophysicists, and glaciologists from around world. Loss of biodiversity, decline in polar bears, shrinking arctic sea ice, melting glaciers, rise in acidifying of oceans, thinning ice, rising sea levels, coral bleaching, shifting wildlife habitat are just few of hundreds of studies that provide supporting evidence that the climate is rapidly changing.

Of course the opposition will dismiss all the evidence as a great left wing conspiracy. NASA, NOAA, National Science Foundation, National Academy of Science, 32 national science academies, and 75 out of 79 climate scientists, have got it all wrong.

Feel free to show us evidence that is not tainted and doesn't involve a computer model.

Here are few articles summarizing hundreds of climate and earth science related scientific research projects.

Abrupt climate change
Antarctic Cold Reversal
Antarctic oscillation
Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
Arctic shrinkage
Atmospheric circulation
Attribution of recent climate change
Bio-energy with carbon capture and storage
Broad Spectrum Revolution
Callendar effect
Bio-geoengineering
Catastrophic climate change
Clathrate gun hypothesis
Climate change and agriculture
Climate cycle
Cloud reflectivity enhancement
Cool tropics paradox
Coral bleaching
Dendroclimatology
East Antarctic Ice Sheet
Effects of climate change on marine mammals
Effect of climate change on plant biodiversity
Effects of global warming on Australia
Effects of global warming on India
Global dimming
Greenhouse effect
Holocene Climatic Optimum
Keeling Curve
Long-term effects of global warming
Milankovitch cycles
North Atlantic Deep Water
North Atlantic oscillation
Ocean acidification
Ocean anoxia
Ozone depletion
Pacific decadal oscillation
Paleoclimate Modelling Intercomparison Project
Polar amplification
Quasi-biennial oscillation
Radiative forcing
Regional effects of global warming
Retreat of glaciers since 1850
Runaway climate change
Satellite temperature measurements
Sea level rise
Table of Historic and Prehistoric Climate Indicators
Temperature record of the past 1000 years
Temperature record since 1880
Thermohaline circulation
Stratospheric sulfur aerosols
West Antarctic Ice Sheet
World climate research programme

Index of climate change articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The very first article in the index is laughably wrong. There has been proven to be NO CORRELATION BETWEEN TEMPERATURE AND CO2 IN THE ANTARCTIC. Well that's not exactly true. What was found is that warming occured first and then hundreds of years after the warming CO2 levels rose, thus showing that CO2 content of the atmosphere is a response to temperatures. Not the way the AGW crowd would have you believe.

You're going to have to try harder then that my friend. First off wiki is so bad no legit institute of higher learning will allow wiki cites to be included in research papers....wellllll, climatologists probable do, they'll let anything in.

 

[westwall]

We've had global warming since the Ice age genius

Stating the obvious seems lost on these guys. They seem completely unable to grasp the fact that the ice has been melting back for 14,000 years now. It has melted back damned near 2,000 miles. For the life of me, I can't see what is upsetting, or surprising about the fact that a trend that is now 14,000 years old is continuing.

If you can't see what's so upsetting, you're not paying attention. Thousands of communities worldwide depend on the fresh water from melting glaciers for their domestic use. Some countries depend on the melting water from glaciers for their production of electricity. Agriculture in many nations depends primarily on melting glacier water that flows in their rivers. All this melting water is constantly replaced by fresh snow that compresses into ice over time and will subsequently melt into water. This cycle goes on and on maintaining a perfect balance in the generation of fresh water and size of the glacier.

Ahhhhhh yes, the infamous Himalayan glacier report....I guess you didn't get the memo? It turns out they were, well, let'sbe charitible, less then honest with their reporting (yes sunshine, that's correct, Pechauri willfully lied about the report) it seems those glaciers are going to be around for a few thousand years more then they were originally saying.
They also neglected to tell people that many glaciers were in fact ADVANCING.

If this is the best you've got you'd best tuck tail and run, you're about three years behind the curve.

 

[westwall]

Proof? There is no proof. There is a huge amount of evidence. You won't have enough proof until the end of the century to convince governments to take decisive action. If we were dealing with just a bunch of temperature studies by climatologists, the whole issue could be dismissed but we aren't. We're seeing supporting evidence from oceanologists, botanists, zoologists, geophysicists, and glaciologists from around world. Loss of biodiversity, decline in polar bears, shrinking arctic sea ice, melting glaciers, rise in acidifying of oceans, thinning ice, rising sea levels, coral bleaching, shifting wildlife habitat are just few of hundreds of studies that provide supporting evidence that the climate is rapidly changing.

Of course the opposition will dismiss all the evidence as a great left wing conspiracy. NASA, NOAA, National Science Foundation, National Academy of Science, 32 national science academies, and 75 out of 79 climate scientists, have got it all wrong.

We've had global warming since the Ice age genius

No, we have not. It warmed up rapidly, did a retreat in the Younger Dryas, and then pretty much stabalized for the last 10,000 years. Some warmer periods, one that exceeds where we are at present about 7 to 8 thousand years ago, related to the Storegga Slide. And a few minor coolings, like the little ice age. However, for the most part, a very stable period, until now.

Bullshit. Paleoclimate is chock full of major temperature variations that were much greater then today. How else do they find evidence of man below ice that was hundreds of feet thick? What a fool you are.

 

[westwall]

Oh, we will adapt. The question is how much will humans have to adapt? If population drops enough then there may be no need to take any steps to stop global warming.

Tell me flopper, what do you suppose we can do about the changing climate? Do you really believe that a trace gas in the atmosphere which has no capacity to absorb and retain heat can actually be responsible for a changing climate?

If you really believe it, then describe the mechanism by which you believe it happens.

I'm not a climate scientist. I don't need to understand the scientific details of climate change, but I do understand the recommendations and positions of the most prestigious scientific organizations on earth. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with the findings that the earth is warming and the vast majority state man is likely cause.

List of Academies of Science that agree that the planet is warming and man is the likely cause:
Australia,
Belgium,
Brazil,
Cameroon,
Royal Society of Canada,
Caribbean,
China,
Institut de France,
Ghana,
Leopoldina of Germany,
Indonesia,
Ireland,
Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy,
India,
Japan,
Kenya,
Madagascar,
Malaysia,
Mexico,
Nigeria,
Royal Society of New Zealand,
Russian Academy of Sciences,
Senegal,
South Africa,
Sudan,
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences,
Tanzania,
Turkey,
Uganda,
United Kingdom,
United States,
Zambia,
Zimbabwe.

List of Academies of Science that disagree that the planet is warming and man is the likely cause:
None

List of Scientific Societies that agree that the planet is warming and man is the likely cause:

General science:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Institute of Physics
American Physical Society
Australian Institute of Physics
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies

Earth sciences:
American Geophysical Union
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Association of Geoscience Teachers

Meteorology and oceanography:
American Meteorological Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization

Paleoclimatology:
American Quaternary Association
International Union for Quaternary Research

Biology and life sciences:
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Society for Microbiology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Institute of Biology (UK)
Society of American Foresters
The Wildlife Society (international)

Human Health:
American Academy of Pediatrics
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Medical Association
American Public Health Association
Australian Medical Association
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Health Organization

Miscellaneous:
American Astronomical Society
American Statistical Association
Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
International Association for Great Lakes Research
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand

I hate to tell you pal but appeals to authority died out years ago. Your clone olfraud prints that useless list at least 6 times a year and you know what? We still don't care. Those same societies swore that plate tectonics didn't exist till the 1960's in the face of overwhelming evidence 20 years before that. They were as wrong then as they are now.

 

[Flopper]

Feel free to show us evidence that is not tainted and doesn't involve a computer model.

Here are few articles summarizing hundreds of climate and earth science related scientific research projects.

Abrupt climate change
Antarctic Cold Reversal
Antarctic oscillation
Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
Arctic shrinkage
Atmospheric circulation
Attribution of recent climate change
Bio-energy with carbon capture and storage
Broad Spectrum Revolution
Callendar effect
Bio-geoengineering
Catastrophic climate change
Clathrate gun hypothesis
Climate change and agriculture
Climate cycle
Cloud reflectivity enhancement
Cool tropics paradox
Coral bleaching
Dendroclimatology
East Antarctic Ice Sheet
Effects of climate change on marine mammals
Effect of climate change on plant biodiversity
Effects of global warming on Australia
Effects of global warming on India
Global dimming
Greenhouse effect
Holocene Climatic Optimum
Keeling Curve
Long-term effects of global warming
Milankovitch cycles
North Atlantic Deep Water
North Atlantic oscillation
Ocean acidification
Ocean anoxia
Ozone depletion
Pacific decadal oscillation
Paleoclimate Modelling Intercomparison Project
Polar amplification
Quasi-biennial oscillation
Radiative forcing
Regional effects of global warming
Retreat of glaciers since 1850
Runaway climate change
Satellite temperature measurements
Sea level rise
Table of Historic and Prehistoric Climate Indicators
Temperature record of the past 1000 years
Temperature record since 1880
Thermohaline circulation
Stratospheric sulfur aerosols
West Antarctic Ice Sheet
World climate research programme

Index of climate change articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The very first article in the index is laughably wrong. There has been proven to be NO CORRELATION BETWEEN TEMPERATURE AND CO2 IN THE ANTARCTIC. Well that's not exactly true. What was found is that warming occured first and then hundreds of years after the warming CO2 levels rose, thus showing that CO2 content of the atmosphere is a response to temperatures. Not the way the AGW crowd would have you believe.

You're going to have to try harder then that my friend. First off wiki is so bad no legit institute of higher learning will allow wiki cites to be included in research papers....wellllll, climatologists probable do, they'll let anything in.

Maybe you would care to list the scientific societies, academies, and university that support your contention.

 

[westwall]

Here are few articles summarizing hundreds of climate and earth science related scientific research projects.

Abrupt climate change
Antarctic Cold Reversal
Antarctic oscillation
Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
Arctic shrinkage
Atmospheric circulation
Attribution of recent climate change
Bio-energy with carbon capture and storage
Broad Spectrum Revolution
Callendar effect
Bio-geoengineering
Catastrophic climate change
Clathrate gun hypothesis
Climate change and agriculture
Climate cycle
Cloud reflectivity enhancement
Cool tropics paradox
Coral bleaching
Dendroclimatology
East Antarctic Ice Sheet
Effects of climate change on marine mammals
Effect of climate change on plant biodiversity
Effects of global warming on Australia
Effects of global warming on India
Global dimming
Greenhouse effect
Holocene Climatic Optimum
Keeling Curve
Long-term effects of global warming
Milankovitch cycles
North Atlantic Deep Water
North Atlantic oscillation
Ocean acidification
Ocean anoxia
Ozone depletion
Pacific decadal oscillation
Paleoclimate Modelling Intercomparison Project
Polar amplification
Quasi-biennial oscillation
Radiative forcing
Regional effects of global warming
Retreat of glaciers since 1850
Runaway climate change
Satellite temperature measurements
Sea level rise
Table of Historic and Prehistoric Climate Indicators
Temperature record of the past 1000 years
Temperature record since 1880
Thermohaline circulation
Stratospheric sulfur aerosols
West Antarctic Ice Sheet
World climate research programme

Index of climate change articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The very first article in the index is laughably wrong. There has been proven to be NO CORRELATION BETWEEN TEMPERATURE AND CO2 IN THE ANTARCTIC. Well that's not exactly true. What was found is that warming occured first and then hundreds of years after the warming CO2 levels rose, thus showing that CO2 content of the atmosphere is a response to temperatures. Not the way the AGW crowd would have you believe.

You're going to have to try harder then that my friend. First off wiki is so bad no legit institute of higher learning will allow wiki cites to be included in research papers....wellllll, climatologists probable do, they'll let anything in.

Maybe you would care to list the scientific societies, academies, and university that support your contention.

I don't care about them. They are the same fools who said plate tectonics wasn't the way the world works. They are as wrong now as they were then olfraud.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here are few articles summarizing hundreds of climate and earth science related scientific research projects.

Abrupt climate change
Antarctic Cold Reversal
Antarctic oscillation
Arctic Climate Impact Assessment
Arctic shrinkage
Atmospheric circulation
Attribution of recent climate change
Bio-energy with carbon capture and storage
Broad Spectrum Revolution
Callendar effect
Bio-geoengineering
Catastrophic climate change
Clathrate gun hypothesis
Climate change and agriculture
Climate cycle
Cloud reflectivity enhancement
Cool tropics paradox
Coral bleaching
Dendroclimatology
East Antarctic Ice Sheet
Effects of climate change on marine mammals
Effect of climate change on plant biodiversity
Effects of global warming on Australia
Effects of global warming on India
Global dimming
Greenhouse effect
Holocene Climatic Optimum
Keeling Curve
Long-term effects of global warming
Milankovitch cycles
North Atlantic Deep Water
North Atlantic oscillation
Ocean acidification
Ocean anoxia
Ozone depletion
Pacific decadal oscillation
Paleoclimate Modelling Intercomparison Project
Polar amplification
Quasi-biennial oscillation
Radiative forcing
Regional effects of global warming
Retreat of glaciers since 1850
Runaway climate change
Satellite temperature measurements
Sea level rise
Table of Historic and Prehistoric Climate Indicators
Temperature record of the past 1000 years
Temperature record since 1880
Thermohaline circulation
Stratospheric sulfur aerosols
West Antarctic Ice Sheet
World climate research programme

Index of climate change articles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Repeatable lab experiments showing how a 100PPM increase in CO2 raises temperature = 0.

Is the Earth Warming?

"This is equal to only 0.25% of one Alka-Seltzer tablet (a quarter of 1%); this is a very small amount."

BRAVO!!

I've been saying this for years!!

MIT Never did it.

And note, the results weren't posted

 

[Flopper]

The very first article in the index is laughably wrong. There has been proven to be NO CORRELATION BETWEEN TEMPERATURE AND CO2 IN THE ANTARCTIC. Well that's not exactly true. What was found is that warming occured first and then hundreds of years after the warming CO2 levels rose, thus showing that CO2 content of the atmosphere is a response to temperatures. Not the way the AGW crowd would have you believe.

You're going to have to try harder then that my friend. First off wiki is so bad no legit institute of higher learning will allow wiki cites to be included in research papers....wellllll, climatologists probable do, they'll let anything in.

Maybe you would care to list the scientific societies, academies, and university that support your contention.

I don't care about them. They are the same fools who said plate tectonics wasn't the way the world works. They are as wrong now as they were then olfraud.

Yeah, the most prestigious scientific academies and societies on the planet have got it all wrong and you've got it right. This thread isn't worth my time.

These global warming threads should be posted under conspiracy theories.

 

[Douger]

You have until Sept. 26.
Have fun.

 

[wirebender]

I'm not a climate scientist. I don't need to understand the scientific details of climate change, but I do understand the recommendations and positions of the most prestigious scientific organizations on earth. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with the findings that the earth is warming and the vast majority state man is likely cause.

Brilliant. A completely impotent appeal to authority that completely ignores the money trail leading right to those you trust. Sad, but entirely unsurprising.

As to your list, you are aware, aren't you that the political heads of scientific societies are exactly that don't you; political heads? The vast bulk of scientists who belong to this or that society are not on board with the AGW hoax. Sorry you have been so completely duped. It is sad for you. And sad that either the educational system, or you, yourself, failed to equip yourself with the tools necessary to differentiate fact from fiction in the scientific fields.

 

[wirebender]

Yeah, the most prestigious scientific academies and societies on the planet have got it all wrong and you've got it right. This thread isn't worth my time.

It wouldn't be the first time they all got it wrong; or the second, or the third. And this time the "evidence" is even shakier than in previous instances.

Like I said, sad for you that either the educational system or you yourself failed to equip you with the tools necessary to distinguish fact from fiction in the scientific fields.

These global warming threads should be posted under conspiracy theories.

Says the man who can't even post one single piece of hard, observed, repeatable evidence that provides unequivocal support for the AGW fraud.

 

[IanC]

although I cant remember which society it was, the APS perhaps; a group of the members were astonished to find that their society's AGW statement included the word incontrovertible in it. as scientists are supposed to believe nothing is incontrovertible they pushed for a formal hearing to change the policy statement. the politically active committee formed to look into it simply reaffirmed the existing statement to the dismay of every scientist who cared about the reputation of their profession.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Maybe you would care to list the scientific societies, academies, and university that support your contention.

I don't care about them. They are the same fools who said plate tectonics wasn't the way the world works. They are as wrong now as they were then olfraud.

Yeah, the most prestigious scientific academies and societies on the planet have got it all wrong and you've got it right. This thread isn't worth my time.

These global warming threads should be posted under conspiracy theories.

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy."-- IPCC

 

[editec]

One of the things I love about this debate is that the environment cannot be propaganized, beaten down, intimidated or fooled.

It IS going to do what it is going to do regardless of what we might personally think.

You think Global Weirding is happening? Nature doesn't care.

You think Global Weirding is not happening? Nature doesn't care.

Time will tell.

Some of us think it is already quite telling, others deny it.

Some of us will live long enough to see who was right.

One can only HOPE that the vast majority of scientific community is wrong.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One of the things I love about this debate is that the environment cannot be propaganized, beaten down, intimidated or fooled.

It IS going to do what it is going to do regardless of what we might personally think.

You think Global Weirding is happening? Nature doesn't care.

You think Global Weirding is not happening? Nature doesn't care.

Time will tell.

Some of us think it is already quite telling, others deny it.

Some of us will live long enough to see who was right.

One can only HOPE that the vast majority of scientific community is wrong.

"BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?

Phil Jones: Yes..."

Feb 2010

BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

 

[editec]

One of the things I love about this debate is that the environment cannot be propaganized, beaten down, intimidated or fooled.

It IS going to do what it is going to do regardless of what we might personally think.

You think Global Weirding is happening? Nature doesn't care.

You think Global Weirding is not happening? Nature doesn't care.

Time will tell.

Some of us think it is already quite telling, others deny it.

Some of us will live long enough to see who was right.

One can only HOPE that the vast majority of scientific community is wrong.

"BBC: Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?

Phil Jones: Yes..."

Feb 2010

BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

Nature does not care what Phil Jones thinks.

Environmental science is NOT social science.

Unlike the social sciences (where right and wrong answers do not exist) there are RIGHT and WRONG answers in hard science.

Let's just HOPE that the majority of environmental scientists are WRONG this time, shall we?

I sincerely doubt anything mankind can do or not do right now is going to make a tinkers damn difference.

 

[konradv]

About 2,000 species examined are moving away from the equator at an average rate of more than 15 feet (five meters) per day, about a mile per year, according to new research published Thursday in the journal Science which analyzed previous studies. Species are also moving up mountains to escape the heat, but more slowly, averaging about four feet a year.

The species mostly from the Northern Hemisphere and including plants moved in fits and starts, but over several decades it averages to about eight inches (20 centimeters) an hour away from the equator.

”The speed is an important issue,” said study main author Chris Thomas of the University of York. ”It is faster than we thought.”

”It’s already affected the entire planet’s wildlife,” Thomas said in a phone interview. ”It’s not a matter that might happen in the lifetime of our children and our grandchildren. If you look in your garden you can see the effects of climate change already.”

Animals moving away from global warming faster | Sci-tech | DAWN.COM

A heat wave is sweeping the planet, and animals and plants are making a break for cooler climes. Or so scientists have always assumed. It's been hard to tie a species' migration directly to climate change, particularly with human activity destroying ecosystems every year. But researchers have now gathered more evidence for that link by compiling data from 54 scientific papers that collectively map the habitat ranges of more than 2000 species during the past 4 decades. On average, the team finds, creatures move both up mountains and farther away from the equator at a speed that keeps pace with the rate of climate change and at a pace that is far faster than previously predicted.

In Warming World, Critters Run to the Hills - ScienceNOW

I don't like the direction this is taking. It seems to be saying animals understand what Republicans can't.

It seems rdean has found his religion. The funny thing is these scientist are trying to prove something with a preconceived notion like "man made global warming" which is totally the opposite of what they are supposed to do., Another funny thing about these libs is they believe in evolution, but when it is taking place before their eyes,they want to try alter the natural process. Species become extent and adapt, it's the natural order of things, it's the way G-d made it

You say it's a natural process. I say it's man-made. So the concern over global warming and species extinction ISN'T about stopping anything nartural. Those chasnges occur over thousands to tens of thousands of years, NOT the ~200 since the advent of the Industrial Revolution.