Science Channel Acknowledges Major Racial Differences

[Emanamana]

It's the quality of the individual not the group that's important.
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I doubt that you'd say this about a KKK member- even if it were just a kid.
Or a former KKK member, like David Duke.

 

[Ariux]

It's the quality of the individual not the group that's important.

Unless you're a Liberal, then you think it's the group, not the individual, that's important.

 

[IanC]

It's the quality of the individual not the group that's important.
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I doubt that you'd say this about a KKK member- even if it were just a kid.
Or a former KKK member, like David Duke.

an individual is an anecdote, a group is statistics.

 

[IanC]

Every time I hear this debate one name comes to mind that is never mentioned. Every since the start of testing statistics blacks have tested lower than whites. Never in one instance can you find a group of black students that test as well as white students. As the years go on the black students scores go up and down while the whites stay pretty much steady. This has been chalked up to blacks have lower intelligence than whites. Even blacks who get the same education test lower than whites, so what other explanation can there be? Enter Goeffery Canada and the Promise Academy. Canada took black 4th grade students that tested lower than average BLACK students. By 8th grade these same students out preformed EVERYONE!!!! Even the white students. Now Mr Canada has the educational world on it's head they are all running around trying find the reason he can take the worst students and make them the best. The Brookings institute did a study trying to debunk Mr Canada but they did 1 grade at 1 school the Harvard study was much more accurate and over a 4 year period. It showed progress and end result. So I guess if you that the PA's results with students.


Analyses
Dr. Fryer was able to obtain access to the New York City Department of Education data for Promise
Academy lottery applicants, regardless of their participation status. The requirement for a Promise
Academy entrance lottery affords an opportunity to compare the achievement of Promise Academy
attendees and non-attendees. The elementary school cohort was of particular interest to us, as these
students had spent their whole scholastic careers at Promise Academy (and many had also attended HCZ
early childhood programs).
In short order, he combined the lottery data HCZ provided with achievement, attendance, and grade
retention information from the DOE into a series of regression analyses. Dr. Fryer and his assistant, Will
Dobbie, used a variety of statistical models to examine all of these data.
To help contextualize our results, it is useful to know that effect sizes for interventions tend to be small.
For example, studies on small class size have found effect sizes around .22. In contrast, the racial
achievement gap is between .64 and .70 standard deviations in math and around .40 in ELA at school
entiy.
Dr. Fryer investigated performance of Promise Academy applicants over time, comparing their fourth
through eighth grade test results to those of white and black students citywide. More specifically, the test
results of (1) students who were accepted into Promise Academy and attended (compliers), (2) applicants
who were not accepted into Promise Academy and did not attend (non-compliers), (3) white students in
New York City, and (4) black students in New York City are presente
The following charts present historical mathematics test score data for Promise Academy students and for
several peer groups who were in the eighth grade in 2007-2008. The second chart differs from the first
only with regard to NYC white students: the first chart shows basic performance of all white students
while the second shows the results adjusted for socio-economic status (in general, white students have
more positive socio-economic indicators than black students).
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students, and slightly below black students in the 4th grade (before entry into Promise Academy, which
began at sixth grade). Over time, while NYC white and black students showed fiat performance from 4k"
to 8th grade, PA students experienced large improvements from year to year and were outperforming
white students by the 8thl grade (this is particularly true when we compare our students to the results of
NYC white students adjusted for socio-economic status)

I like G Canada but you have to actually look at what he did. he threw out the first cohort and many of the teachers after the first year of his experiment and it proved that he was serious about only accepting striving students and parents, and dedicated teachers. he also extended school hours.

two things stand out, at least to me. first the program cant be scaled up to include everyone. second, it is not clear to me that students receiving 50% more instruction should be compared to regular schools.

I am not saying anything bad about Canada, or the Harlem project. just be informed about the actual conditions involved.

What about the fact that the gap is not there when testing home schooled children? As far as the length of the classes, does it really make a difference? Supposedly Asians go to school much longer than we do but that is almost never talked about. Only how much smarter they are than us.

I havent seen the article on racial equality in homeschooled children. the amount of time spent on task is especially important for dull children. a smart kid learns quicker and then goes on to synthesis one fact with another to get a new idea. asian culture helps to some extent but probaly makes less difference that people think. just like environmental factors are likely less important than people think unless they are distinctly abusive.

 

[IanC]

Every time an ugly dude is turned down by a hot girl in a bar, that's eugenics at work.

Eugenics are about improving the quality of human beings. If you want to deny that some humans are higher-quality than others, go for it. But nobody believes it. Fact is, some humans are faster, stronger, smarter, prettier and just plain nicer than others.

For me to oppose welfare, which promotes the breeding of the shittier brands of humanity, does not deny anyone personal freedom. Actually, it improves my own.

And yes, some races are crappier than others. Race-mixing generally does lower the quality of humanity, especially when whites breed down with blacks and browns.

Of course eugenics can go to freaky levels that are no good. But the opposite -- no eugenics -- produces results that are just as horrifying. The truth is that the sine qua non of a decent society is decent people to make up that society. Without that, it doesn't matter what policies are in place... you're going to be living in hell.

I don't oppose welfare. I just think it should come with strings attached... or at least tied.

I concur. if you want to be supported like a child you shouldnt be upset that you are treated like a child. welfare recipients shouldnt vote, for one. why should people who, at least temporarily,cannot support themselves be in a postition to make decisions for the people who are paying for welfare?

 

[IanC]

Oddly, the one thing that did not stand out for you was that black academic success happened at all regardless of "actual" conditions.

Any conditional difference means that the intellectual potential exists REGARDLESS OF CONDITIONS!

One has to be careful about interpreting the results of these kinds of programs. You can raise test scores by coaching children to become more familiar with the material covered on the test, and it will raise their test averages as expected, but there isn't any compelling evidence that I am aware of that it actually raises their IQ. It is IQ, or general intelligence, which is most highly correlated with academic and financial success, so without raising IQs we cannot expect significant diminishment in racial outcomes.

Yes, you can coach test taking skills, but if this makes a significant difference in test results, then obviously the test was a shitty test of intelligence or academic success.

significant improvement? define significant in this case. it has also been shown that taking SAT tests out of the library and practising them is just as effective as taking a paid cram course. there is a benefit to familiarity but anyone can easily take practise exams, with rapidly diminishing returns.

 

[IanC]

Much of the research quoted in this topic comes from the "Bell Curve" which is based on research funded by the Pioneer Fund, which is frequently described as racist and "white supremacist" in nature.

The Pioneer Fund was described by the Sunday Telegraph (March 12, 1989) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.

Wickliffe Preston Draper, heir to a large fortune and the fund's de facto final authority, served on the Board of Directors from 1937 until 1972. He founded the Pioneer Fund after having acquired an interest in the Eugenics movement, which was strengthened by his 1935 visit to Nazi Germany, where he met with the leading eugenicists of the Third Reich who used the inspiration from the American movement as a basis for the Nuremberg Laws.

Racism Resurgent
Pioneer Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Bell Curve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most people from that era would be considered ranting racists by today's standards. no one ever says that any project subsidized by Ford should be dismissed because he was racist and anti-semetic. not only that but the funds available to be disbursed by the Pioneer Fund are the equivilent to a rounding error of funds going in politically correct fields. a million or two a year is not even a drop in the bucket. and if I am not mistaken, there was zero Pioneer Fund money used in preparing TBC

 

[Unkotare]

it has also been shown that taking SAT tests out of the library and practising them is just as effective as taking a paid cram course.

Link?

 

[IanC]

google it for yourself. its not a secret. you'll have fun and you probaly will even be able to find a citation or two that says the opposite. but most psychologists will concur that becoming familiar with tests and test taking are a fairly small effect that tops out quickly.

 

[Unkotare]

google it for yourself. its not a secret.

Link?

 

[Unkotare]

you probaly will even be able to find a citation or two that says the opposite.

Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah...............................

 

[Flopper]

It's the quality of the individual not the group that's important.

Unless you're a Liberal, then you think it's the group, not the individual, that's important.

Liberal and Conservative are tags used for stereotyping. Often, like race, they do not convey the qualities of the individual. Stereotyping is a shortcut that reduces the need to think.

 

[Ariux]

Liberal and Conservative are tags used for stereotyping. Often, like race, they do not convey the qualities of the individual. Stereotyping is a shortcut that reduces the need to think.

Then liberals should use stereotyping more often, so they won't need to resort to their poor thinking skills.

 

[Unkotare]

Also, at universities across the country, SAT scores carry very little weight in the admissions .

That is not true.



You are an idiot.

 

[GodSaveAmerica]

Much of the research quoted in this topic comes from the "Bell Curve" which is based on research funded by the Pioneer Fund, which is frequently described as racist and "white supremacist" in nature.

The Pioneer Fund was described by the Sunday Telegraph (March 12, 1989) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.

Wickliffe Preston Draper, heir to a large fortune and the fund's de facto final authority, served on the Board of Directors from 1937 until 1972. He founded the Pioneer Fund after having acquired an interest in the Eugenics movement, which was strengthened by his 1935 visit to Nazi Germany, where he met with the leading eugenicists of the Third Reich who used the inspiration from the American movement as a basis for the Nuremberg Laws.

Racism Resurgent
Pioneer Fund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Bell Curve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most people from that era would be considered ranting racists by today's standards. no one ever says that any project subsidized by Ford should be dismissed because he was racist and anti-semetic. not only that but the funds available to be disbursed by the Pioneer Fund are the equivilent to a rounding error of funds going in politically correct fields. a million or two a year is not even a drop in the bucket. and if I am not mistaken, there was zero Pioneer Fund money used in preparing TBC

Universities and scientific institutions have shut down research into racial differences. About 5 or 6 years ago, a geneticist named Bruce Lahn discovered that two genes involved in regulating brain size had evolved among Asians and Caucasians, and he was trying to find out whether these changes might account for higher white IQ. Once his research became public knowledge, however, the University of Chicago forced him to stop. In America, research on racial IQ is in reality forbidden.

Yet the most pressing domestic issue facing America today is low black IQ. Estimates of the cost of affirmative action - which essentially tries to overcome low black average IQ - runs into the hundreds of billions a year. Champions of racial equality like Richard Nisbett, James Flynn, and Tim Wise advocate spending additional tens of billions on early intervention programs to raise the IQs of blacks. All on the assumption that the environment is to blame. And we can't spend a few million dollars to fund the research to find out whether this assumption is true or not? I'd say America's willingness to deceive itself has reached Orwellian proportions.

 

[Samson]

Yet the most pressing domestic issue facing America today is low black IQ.

Please, continue to fill the tread with your vast ignorance.

It amuses us.

 

[Samson]

One has to be careful about interpreting the results of these kinds of programs. You can raise test scores by coaching children to become more familiar with the material covered on the test, and it will raise their test averages as expected, but there isn't any compelling evidence that I am aware of that it actually raises their IQ. It is IQ, or general intelligence, which is most highly correlated with academic and financial success, so without raising IQs we cannot expect significant diminishment in racial outcomes.

Yes, you can coach test taking skills, but if this makes a significant difference in test results, then obviously the test was a shitty test of intelligence or academic success.

significant improvement? define significant in this case. it has also been shown that taking SAT tests out of the library and practising them is just as effective as taking a paid cram course. there is a benefit to familiarity but anyone can easily take practise exams, with rapidly diminishing returns.

I said "significant difference" in test results.

If a test is designed to test intelligence, then "coaching" should not make much difference in the results, since intelligence cannot be coached.

For example:

The fact that this simple concept confuses you is evidence that your intelligence is below average.

No amount of test coaching will make a significant difference in your condition.

 

[MHunterB]

In ca 1973, Hengerer's department store in greater Buffalo, NY. Female sales clerks were paid $2.10/hr - males were paid $2.25/hr. Same job, same 'seniority' & experience.

Of course this was a 'nonunion' shop, yes....

Do you have a link?

Does anyone have a RECENT example of a woman being paid less for the same job with the same qualifications/experience, etc.?

LOL, I don't need a link: I worked there at the time.

Although it would be illegal today, there are ways around the law. Women who have taken time off from work to care for family members find themselves being shorted due to 'less time on the job'.

It's the same dodge a former employer used to not give returning Reservists a raise "You weren't here enough to evaluate your performance".

 

[GodSaveAmerica]

Yet the most pressing domestic issue facing America today is low black IQ.

Please, continue to fill the tread with your vast ignorance.

It amuses us.

Allow me to clarify what I mean. I see the biggest threat to America's survival to be the slide toward European style socialism. This is the great divide in the country today, whether the free market or government control will be the organizing principle by which our society is ordered. I believe the free market is the best way, but those on the left see complete government control as the answer.

The biggest criticism the institutional left has of the current system is the disparate outcomes along racial lines in employment rates, education, healthcare, wealth accumulation, and political influence. They say that our capitalist system is fundamentally racist and unfair, and should be done away with. I believe that the only way to prevent government expansion and the erosion of the private sector is by acknowledging that a low IQ black population cannot cope as well as whites in a free market system because of a low IQ gene pool. We can find other ways to deal with low black IQ, but we should not allow black underachievement to serve as a pretext for replacing free market capitalism with government oversight. Every time a conservative is attacked as being racist for adhering to conservative ideology, I would like to see them respond with the evidence that blacks underperform because of genes.

 

[Unkotare]

Slither back to stormfront, you douche.