CDZ Schumer offers 35 year-old trick_ open government and then we’ll talk border control

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    This is such a weak talking point

    "this isn't the WORST problem we have, so we should do nothing"
     
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    I dont understand why anyone would want the gov to open back up???

    the left thinks the constitution is oppressive

    the right says they stand with the constitution

    so this is a great opportunity to see the progams and agencies that are oppressive and not within constitutional authority

    use this to clean the system and return the country to what did make it great

    total freedom and total liberty through a constitutionally limited government
     
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    But, they aren't mutually exclusive either.
     
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    You wrote: "Illegal immigration is at a 46 year low point". The truth is, in the last three months there has been a major increase in activity at our border not to mention a huge spike in unaccompanied children and mothers with their children. The fact is, the border is still not secured and illegal border crossings continue.

    You also wrote: "walking across the desert is not the way the large majority of illegal immigrants get here." So, from what you wrote above, you concede the fact that illegal border crossings do occur. And, from what I have read, illegal border crossings are a major path for illegal immigration. Finally, did you miss the news about the caravans with thousands upon thousands of foreigners looking to cross our border?

    You end by writing: "There are better, lower cost, and more effective ways to solve the problems we have. It's stupid to waste that money on a wall" If you are talking about protecting our border, you forgot to identify those "more effective ways". Additionally, you allege a wall is stupid and a waste of money. And yet, the evidence is readily available that walls do work!

    Israel’s border wall along the Gaza Strip is very effective, and its southern border wall is likewise effective;

    The two-story corrugated steel fence built under Bush in El Paso, Texas has also proven to prevent illegal border crossings;

    And let us not forget Yuma, Arizona’s bipartisan wall cut illegal border crossings to a 10th of what they were in 2006.

    Walls do work, and for you to suggest otherwise is very, very suspicious. :rolleyes:


    JWK


    Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK




     
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    We are at a 46 year low. The large majority still come across at regular points of entry, not walking across the desert. The following chart is marked in 200,000 person increments. A few thousand either way won't make much of a difference.

    Those better, more effective ways include better security at regular points of entry, and appointing more judges to deal with the people who are here. Nobody is going to wait at the border for a year or more just to get a hearing. Trump's fantasy is a waste of time and money.
     
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    You are repeating yourself. Instead of addressing my response to you, and the evidence contained therein, you resort to an old and tired stupid debating trick ___ ignore your opponent's rebuttal and repeat your irrelevant remarks.

    :rolleyes:


    JWK


    Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK
     
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    Your response was irrelevant.
     
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    So, you really are not here to actually debate the issue. Who would have known?

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    The Democrat Party Leadership has been encouraging this ongoing invasion of our southern border since 1985 when amnesty was granted to 2.5 million illegal entrants in return for a guarantee to build a wall and secure our border. And here we are today, no wall, but 10-15 million new illegal entrants and the invasion continues
     
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    Your claim that Schumer's offer was a trick is not something worthy of debate. It was nothing more than more right wing mud slinging. It was wrong, and the only correct response is " your remarks/response are irrelevant."
     
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    Historical facts seem to not be your friend.

    JWK
     
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