SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way...

[TakeAStepBack]

Yes we were so much better with a 50% literacy rate where a poor person had little opportunity to rise above their appointed station in the farm field or factory floor. Education is the ladder out of poverty, why are you attacking it without offering a viable alternative? Don't say home school, there is more to an education than a latchkey kid studying alone behind a locked door and a fearful parent insulating them from the harsh realities and uncomfortable truths of the world.

Drivel. Not even worth pointing out all the fallacies in the argument. Your world is pretty tiny and understanding of history even worse. Decent appeal to emotion. Causal reductionism AND cliche thinking. Well done on your failed rebuttal.

Is this all you do on this board snob?

If you don't like people pointing out that your arguments smell like manure, take some more time to present them minus all the fallacies.

 

[paulitician]

I went to government run indoctrination camp. Since I left and attended college, a private college, I learned that everything I learned about history in gubmint school was false. Literally almost everything.

My English and math skills needed an overhaul, and many of the concepts in science were watered down drastically.

Do I need to watch the video, Paulitician?

Nope. But check it out anyway. It's very good.

 

[occupied]

You clearly didn't watch the video or explore the links provided. Maybe you should? Just a suggestion anyway.

I watched it and it's jaundiced view of public schools does not reflect the reality, anything that starts out with a Nazi example and then applies it to to modern America is stupidity. Nazis did a lot of things that other countries did, does that make it all Nazi? What is your preferred educational system? Church schools? Home school? No possible indoctrination there.

Well obviously i disagree. I think its view was Spot-On and reflects reality perfectly.

OK, now tell us your solution, what alternative is there that is not in itself another form of religious or political indoctrination.

 

[eflatminor]

What is your preferred educational system?

One that embraces competition, choice and that understands it's the parents in charge, not a government bureaucrat.

Certainly the current system, where government dictates everything, from what's in the textbooks to how many tater tots are served for lunch cannot continue. Skyrocketing costs and plummeting results make that clear.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I went to government run indoctrination camp. Since I left and attended college, a private college, I learned that everything I learned about history in gubmint school was false. Literally almost everything.

My English and math skills needed an overhaul, and many of the concepts in science were watered down drastically.

Do I need to watch the video, Paulitician?

Nope. But check it out anyway. It's very good.

I'll give it a go later after my chores here at the office are complete.

 

[occupied]

Drivel. Not even worth pointing out all the fallacies in the argument. Your world is pretty tiny and understanding of history even worse. Decent appeal to emotion. Causal reductionism AND cliche thinking. Well done on your failed rebuttal.

Is this all you do on this board snob?

If you don't like people pointing out that your arguments smell like manure, take some more time to present them minus all the fallacies.

All you have done was act as if you have all the answers but we lowly insects do not have the frontal lobes to comprehend your dazzling brilliance, drop the snobbery.

 

[francoHFW]

As long as you need discipline to get education to kids, you can say it numbs curiosity.

There are 2 major things wrong with our system- class size is too large, and the society around failing schools is a mess. See sig pp1.

I was a teacher.

 

[paulitician]

As long as you need discipline to get education to kids, you can say it numbs curiosity.

There are 2 major things wrong with our system- class size is too large, and the society around failing schools is a mess. See sig pp1.

I was a teacher.

Check out the video. It really is very interesting.

 

[eflatminor]

"Public educators, like Soviet farmers, lack any incentive to produce results, innovate, to be efficient, to make the kinds of of difficult changes that private firms operating in a competitive market must make to survive."
-- Carolyn Lochhead

 

[bodecea]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

So, it talks about Horace Mann? (can't load video in my office)

 

[occupied]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

So, it talks about Horace Mann? (can't load video in my office)

It talks about how Since Germany was one of the first public school systems and German Nazis were socialist then all public school systems are socialist indoctrination systems meant to create slaves to the state, you know the usual.

 

[paulitician]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

So, it talks about Horace Mann? (can't load video in my office)

Yes it mentions Horace Mann.

 

[paulitician]

Horace Mann adopted the Prussian School System as his model. And the rest is history.

 

[GuyPinestra]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

Yes we were so much better with a 50% literacy rate where a poor person had little opportunity to rise above their appointed station in the farm field or factory floor. Education is the ladder out of poverty, why are you attacking it without offering a viable alternative? Don't say home school, there is more to an education than a latchkey kid studying alone behind a locked door and a fearful parent insulating them from the harsh realities and uncomfortable truths of the world.

If our government run schools are so great why do almost half of minority kids not graduate? Why are 30% of HS graduates functionally illiterate, without even the ability to compose a resume? Why are college freshman having to take remedial math classes? Why have the costs per child hit $10K/year while our kids fall further and further behind the rest of the world?

My son is a scholarship student at one of the best colleges in the US DESPITE, not because of, government schools.

 

[paulitician]

"It was a process, a Century in the making. And it began, with people being schooled to be stupid."

 

[occupied]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

Yes we were so much better with a 50% literacy rate where a poor person had little opportunity to rise above their appointed station in the farm field or factory floor. Education is the ladder out of poverty, why are you attacking it without offering a viable alternative? Don't say home school, there is more to an education than a latchkey kid studying alone behind a locked door and a fearful parent insulating them from the harsh realities and uncomfortable truths of the world.

If our government run schools are so great why do almost half of minority kids not graduate? Why are 30% of HS graduates functionally illiterate, without even the ability to compose a resume? Why are college freshman having to take remedial math classes? Why have the costs per child hit $10K/year while our kids fall further and further behind the rest of the world?

My son is a scholarship student at one of the best colleges in the US DESPITE, not because of, government schools.

I am well aware of the problems we have, still waiting for an alternative that solves the problems, there is no alternative that does not have its own set of betrayals to our kid's education.

 

[paulitician]

Pay close attention to the end of the video. Note the man sitting in the middle of a rabid Nazi rally with his arms folded. More Americans need to be more like that brave man. He wasn't buying their Bullshit, and you shouldn't be buying your Government's Bullshit either.

 

[bodecea]

This video is fascinating. It shows you where we got our current Government-run School System model from. It's very fascinating, but also very disturbing.

So, it talks about Horace Mann? (can't load video in my office)

It talks about how Since Germany was one of the first public school systems and German Nazis were socialist then all public school systems are socialist indoctrination systems meant to create slaves to the state, you know the usual.

Interesting.....I wonder if any of the same people are ones who point fingers at German students today and ask why we aren't doing as well on those regimented, standardized tests that measure........only what can be measured by simple M/C questions.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Yes we were so much better with a 50% literacy rate where a poor person had little opportunity to rise above their appointed station in the farm field or factory floor. Education is the ladder out of poverty, why are you attacking it without offering a viable alternative? Don't say home school, there is more to an education than a latchkey kid studying alone behind a locked door and a fearful parent insulating them from the harsh realities and uncomfortable truths of the world.

If our government run schools are so great why do almost half of minority kids not graduate? Why are 30% of HS graduates functionally illiterate, without even the ability to compose a resume? Why are college freshman having to take remedial math classes? Why have the costs per child hit $10K/year while our kids fall further and further behind the rest of the world?

My son is a scholarship student at one of the best colleges in the US DESPITE, not because of, government schools.

I am well aware of the problems we have, still waiting for an alternative that solves the problems, there is no alternative that does not have its own set of betrayals to our kid's education.

Solutions START with getting the Federal government OUT of the education business. It's never been a Federal matter and it isn't one now, it is a State and/or Local responsibility. Next would be to hire, fire and pay teachers based on performance. Then remove all this "Everybody gets a trophy." crap from education. This world has winners and losers, so should our schools and our sports. There is nothing wrong with encouraging children to COMPETE.

 

[occupied]

Pay close attention to the end of the video. Note the man sitting in the middle of a rabid Nazi rally with his arms folded. More Americans need to be more like that brave man. He wasn't buying their Bullshit, and you shouldn't be buying our Government's Bullshit either.

Is there any argument that actually benefits from a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis?