Save the Children: US Ranked 25th

After decades of Medicare, Medicaid, a myriad of state programs, SCHIP and the like, and America only comes in 25th?

What...Is that supposed to be some indicator of the success of America's social safety Barcalounger?

The top countrys all have bigger "Barcaluongers" asswink

Yes, which would tell anyone with a brain (ie. not you) that what they're rating isn't the quality of the country, but the size of the Barcalounger. Or, to put it into plainer English for the thinking-impaired (ie. you), they're saying, "America sucks because it's not socialist enough to suit us."

Excuse me if I have no interest in pleasing anyone a dipshit like you would agree with.
 
After decades of Medicare, Medicaid, a myriad of state programs, SCHIP and the like, and America only comes in 25th?

You were thinking it might be even lower, right?

The US probably does have the least successful healthcare system in the western world, for obvious reasons....that won't help your ranking much.
 
Yes, which would tell anyone with a brain (ie. not you) that what they're rating isn't the quality of the country, but the size of the Barcalounger. Or, to put it into plainer English for the thinking-impaired (ie. you), they're saying, "America sucks because it's not socialist enough to suit us."

Excuse me if I have no interest in pleasing anyone a dipshit like you would agree with.

What has having good schools and hospitals got to do with socialism?

Why do you think it is that most of the top ranking countries on the list have better schools and hospitals than the US - and yet some are right wing and some are left wing?
 
After decades of Medicare, Medicaid, a myriad of state programs, SCHIP and the like, and America only comes in 25th?

You were thinking it might be even lower, right?

The US probably does have the least successful healthcare system in the western world, for obvious reasons....that won't help your ranking much.
Define: Success.
 
Odball -

Better healthcare outcomes measured across the entire population, and balanced by per capita cost.

Finland, for instance, has vastly better health outcomes than the US, at a lower cost per citizen.

(Health outcomes might include lifespan, infant mortality, dearhs of preventable diseases per thousand inhabitants etc.)
 
U.S. Only 25th Best Place To Raise Family | Lez Get Real


Posted by: Linda Carbonell on May 9, 2012.

We’re #1! We’re #1! Favorite chant of the right wing, right? In their minds, the United States of America isn’t just Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill, it is top of heap in every imaginable way in this world. That would be wonderful, if it were true. The idea that the United States is the best at everything is a myth perpetrated upon the faithful to keep them from questioning why we aren’t the best.

The United States ranks #1 in health care costs, but 37th in health care delivery. We rank 22nd in science education, 27th in math and 33rd in reading. We rank 17th for taxation as a percentage of GDP (which kind of puts the lie to us being #1 in taxation). Our personal income tax rate is ranked 22nd in the world, but our corporate tax rate is ranked 2nd. That does not reflect what our corporations actually pay, just what our rate is.

The latest blow to myth of being #1 is the Save the Children State of the World’s Mothers Report. The United States is ranked 25th best place in the world to raise a family. The rankings are based on parental leave policies, preschool enrollment rates, breast feeding support, teen pregnancy rates, female education rates, maternal death rates, infant mortality rates, support systems for parents including safety nets like welfare and food subsidies, the whole panoply of ways that a nation or culture supports women and families.

Twenty-fifth, huh?

Who beat us on this critical listing of the manner in which nations care for their mothers and children? Norway, Iceland, Sweden, New Zealand, Denmark, Finland, Australia, Belgium, Ireland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Germany, Slovenia, France, Portugal, Spain, Estonia, Switzerland, Canada, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Lithuania, and Belarus. The top thirty were finished off by the Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Croatia, and Japan.

The list is broken into three sections: most developed nations, less developed nations and least developed nations. The countries in the “most developed nations” list comprise the top 43 ranked nations on all criteria and are almost entirely European and first-level British Empire nations, plus Japan. The middle designation is made up of 80 nations ranging in development from Israel to Zimbabwe. The bottom 42 are primarily African, marginal Asian nations like Cambodia, and war zones like Yemen and Afghanistan.

We can probably take solace from the fact that the United States rose from #31 in 2011 to #25 in 2012. Still, 25th? That’s one more way in which the United States has slipped over the past thirty years, since, oh, the shift in the Republican Party from the Northeast to the Deep South, since the rise of the conservative movement, since the beginning of the death slide of unions and the middle class…..



Could you tell us how many people from those higher ranked countries try to emigrate to the US each year and how many US citizens try to emigrate to those countries?
 
Raising children is not the reason most people move country.

The US is a big economy with good money jobs and a very degree of specialisation in many fields. A Finnish surgeon might move to the US to get more heart surgeries under his belt purely because the US is bigger, and has money to pay him.

That doesn't mean he won't move back to Finland to have kids.

Few people move here because of the language and climate, that does not mean our healthcare and education systems are not better than in most other countries.
 
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Raising children is not the reason most people move country.

The US is a big economy with good money jobs and a very degree of specialisation in many fields. A Finnish surgeon might move to the US to get more heart surgeries under his belt purely because the US is bigger, and has money to pay him.

That doesn't mean he won't move back to Finland to have kids.

Few people move here because of the language and climate, that does not mean our healthcare and education systems are not better than in most other countries.

If so many people want to move to the United States it can't really be that bad there.

Most of these kinds of rankings are pretty useless because they have the results already baked into the criteria they use.
 
The United States ranks #1 in health care costs, but 37th in health care delivery. We rank 22nd in science education, 27th in math and 33rd in reading. We rank 17th for taxation as a percentage of GDP (which kind of puts the lie to us being #1 in taxation). Our personal income tax rate is ranked 22nd in the world, but our corporate tax rate is ranked 2nd. That does not reflect what our corporations actually pay, just what our rate is.

The latest blow to myth of being #1 is the Save the Children State of the World’s Mothers Report. The United States is ranked 25th best place in the world to raise a family.

American DECEPTIONALISM strikes again.:lol:
 
If so many people want to move to the United States it can't really be that bad there.

Most of these kinds of rankings are pretty useless because they have the results already baked into the criteria they use.

I wouldn't have ever said that things in the US were "that bad". I would have no concerns about living in the US if I was offered a dream job, for instance.

But I do think it would be worth Americans questioning why some other countries consistently score higher in health and education.
 
After decades of Medicare, Medicaid, a myriad of state programs, SCHIP and the like, and America only comes in 25th?

You were thinking it might be even lower, right?

The US probably does have the least successful healthcare system in the western world, for obvious reasons....that won't help your ranking much.

Least succesful health care system? how so? I know its expensive but if oil rich Sheikhs come here for treatment instead of the other countries on this list, I don't think its so bad.
 
If so many people want to move to the United States it can't really be that bad there.

Most of these kinds of rankings are pretty useless because they have the results already baked into the criteria they use.

I wouldn't have ever said that things in the US were "that bad". I would have no concerns about living in the US if I was offered a dream job, for instance.

But I do think it would be worth Americans questioning why some other countries consistently score higher in health and education.

Again, you should question the premises of those studies.

You say other countries score higher in education, yet I know for a fact that far more European students go to US universities than the reverse.
 
Odball -

Better healthcare outcomes measured across the entire population, and balanced by per capita cost.

Finland, for instance, has vastly better health outcomes than the US, at a lower cost per citizen.

(Health outcomes might include lifespan, infant mortality, dearhs of preventable diseases per thousand inhabitants etc.)
A fancy way of saying that the ends justify the means.

BTW, things like lifespan and infant mortality are far more subject to culture and lifestyles than whether or not you have socialized medical services.
 
The rankings are based on parental leave policies, preschool enrollment rates, breast feeding support, teen pregnancy rates, female education rates, maternal death rates, infant mortality rates, support systems for parents including safety nets like welfare and food subsidies

Yea, that's the problem. We just don't have enough entitlement programs. :cuckoo:

Yes dumbass the prolbem with shitty living standards is we dont do enough to raise living standards
 
After decades of Medicare, Medicaid, a myriad of state programs, SCHIP and the like, and America only comes in 25th?

You were thinking it might be even lower, right?

The US probably does have the least successful healthcare system in the western world, for obvious reasons....that won't help your ranking much.

Least succesful health care system? how so? I know its expensive but if oil rich Sheikhs come here for treatment instead of the other countries on this list, I don't think its so bad.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

If you think the Americna healthcare system is good/efficent then you are ignorant
 
You were thinking it might be even lower, right?

The US probably does have the least successful healthcare system in the western world, for obvious reasons....that won't help your ranking much.

Least succesful health care system? how so? I know its expensive but if oil rich Sheikhs come here for treatment instead of the other countries on this list, I don't think its so bad.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

If you think the Americna healthcare system is good/efficent then you are ignorant

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.:cuckoo:
 
The rankings are based on parental leave policies, preschool enrollment rates, breast feeding support, teen pregnancy rates, female education rates, maternal death rates, infant mortality rates, support systems for parents including safety nets like welfare and food subsidies

Yea, that's the problem. We just don't have enough entitlement programs. :cuckoo:

Yes dumbass the prolbem with shitty living standards is we dont do enough to raise living standards

Motherfucker you have no idea what shitty living standards are.:eusa_hand:
 
Yea, that's the problem. We just don't have enough entitlement programs. :cuckoo:

Yes dumbass the prolbem with shitty living standards is we dont do enough to raise living standards

Motherfucker you have no idea what shitty living standards are.:eusa_hand:

Given that America despite having GDP around 25% higher then other western countries still has lower living stadnards its apparent we have shitty living standards..
 
The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.
 

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